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[Ninjaphrog]

Taleroth wrote...

I think Persona 3 and Xenogears are better than Summoner.

Added to list of "Must Try"s

[SheffSteel]

... and now I face... the final curtain...

[Badpie]

Of course the game ENDED. OMG. If you want multiplayer and a neverending game, play Warcraft.

[loudent3]

Badpie wrote...

Of course the game ENDED. OMG. If you want multiplayer and a neverending game, play Warcraft.

Well, to be honest, a lot of us *we're" expending a never-ending game. Not necessarily MP but I did expect to see the communtiy put out modules to play through.

It's disappointing that it appears characters are tied to save games so you can't take your character from the OC and play through a communtiy module with him/her....but I do expect that community modules will eventually be made for us to play through. If not....well then the game has much less appeal.

[addiction21]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Ninjaphrog wrote...

AMEN! This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to say, but noooo! Fan boys **** at me! They can't take that I disagree with them! Well guess what you idiots, you wasted your money on a game that scrapes the bottom in the barrel of accepting, like we all did, and yet you still swear by that Bioware is awesome? They might've once been, I don't know, but I sure as hell know that Bioware sets a standard MUCH lower then other game devs. Don't believe me? Go try it for yourself. This game is in my opinion the BOTTOM of the RPG heap.

Summoner is the greatest RPG of all time.

But have you played Summoner? No and you have no concept of what a waffle is.

Phrog it is adorable how someone that agrees with you is all good and right but those with a differing opinion then yours you lable as fanboys and idiots.  It's just so cute I want to pinch your check and make googly sounds.

[toronto13]

In the year of 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year of 3535
Can't tell the truth, can't tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year of 4545
Won't need no teeth ,won't need your eyes
Won't find a thing to do
Nobody's gonna look at you
In the year of 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your side
Your legs have nothing to do
Some machines doin' that for you
In the year of 6565
Won't need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your sons, pick your daughters too
From the bottom of a long glass tube wouwo
In the year of 7510
If god is commin' he should make it by then
Maybe he'll look around and say:
"Now it's time for the judgement day!"
In the year of 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty hand
He'll leave a salient place where man has been
Or tear it down and start again wouwo
In the year of 9595
I'm wondering if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything earth had to give
And he's put back nothing wouwo
Now it's been 10.000 years man has cried a million tears
For what he never knew now man's dream is through
But through eternal light the twinklin' of starlight
So very far away now it's night to yesterday

[thegreateski]

This game ENDS!?



Wow, way to give out a spoiler on a no spoiler forum you JERK.

[- Archangel -]

'nother product of the console generation crying about every game needing multiplayer.


nothing to see here.

[Ninjaphrog]

addiction21 wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Ninjaphrog wrote...

AMEN! This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to say, but noooo! Fan boys **** at me! They can't take that I disagree with them! Well guess what you idiots, you wasted your money on a game that scrapes the bottom in the barrel of accepting, like we all did, and yet you still swear by that Bioware is awesome? They might've once been, I don't know, but I sure as hell know that Bioware sets a standard MUCH lower then other game devs. Don't believe me? Go try it for yourself. This game is in my opinion the BOTTOM of the RPG heap.

Summoner is the greatest RPG of all time.

But have you played Summoner? No and you have no concept of what a waffle is.

Phrog it is adorable how someone that agrees with you is all good and right but those with a differing opinion then yours you lable as fanboys and idiots.  It's just so cute I want to pinch your check and make googly sounds.

You're scary.

[DragonRageGT]

I'm on my third run thru the game and it's been quite a fresh experience! I dare anyone to play it once and be the all mighty codex oracle with all the answers and perfect memory of all what's happened before...



As them cylons say, "it has all happened before, it will all happen again"... gladly!



You're not a cylon are you? No wonder Sten compare us to monkeys or as Wynne puts it... "Nothing in the animal kingdom matches the worst qualities of humanity!"

[purplesunset]

For once, I'm going to have to side with the "fanboys," and say this:

It's way too early to judge the game's longevity.

Also, according to David Gaider, they put in a lot of easter eggs, and "little things" (per my request ! just kidding) that you could discover on a second playthrough.

[addiction21]

You're scary

I like waffles.

Modifié par addiction21, 03 décembre 2009 - 08:56 .

[Sun Tzglyph]

Mmhhhh
I'm pretty sure that Planescape : Torment is the best RPG of all times
After that you have according to your tastes your Dragon Age, Baldurs', Fallout 1/2 etc...
But P.T stands out.
Always.

Modifié par fabsmilee, 03 décembre 2009 - 08:57 .

[arntson]

THIS GAME ENDS OH NOEZ I HATEZ BIOWARE HOW DARE THEY



what did you expect instant mods no they come with time

[raeat]

And the screeching fan boys boil up from the sewers, like clockwork...



Funny thing how singing praises for the inspired NWN game concept gets you vilified later. I spent ridiculous amounts of time, money and effort on NWN and it was a great run, well worth every penny. To want more of the same enabling vision is now heresy among the new fanatics. It's amazing how sheep can be so easily, and repeatedly, fleeced. I, for one, intend to learn from my mistake.



Multiplayer functionality is now a standard for almost every game of almost every type now.



Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

[thegreateski]

raeat wrote...

And the screeching fan boys boil up from the sewers, like clockwork...

Funny thing how singing praises for the inspired NWN game concept gets you vilified later. I spent ridiculous amounts of time, money and effort on NWN and it was a great run, well worth every penny. To want more of the same enabling vision is now heresy among the new fanatics. It's amazing how sheep can be so easily, and repeatedly, fleeced. I, for one, intend to learn from my mistake.

Multiplayer functionality is now a standard for almost every game of almost every type now.

Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

Your problem is you want MORE. NOW.

I can't say. . .pull new content out of my bum every 30 seconds.

As for the multipl- No, I won't coment on that.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

raeat wrote...

And the screeching fan boys boil up from the sewers, like clockwork...

Funny thing how singing praises for the inspired NWN game concept gets you vilified later. I spent ridiculous amounts of time, money and effort on NWN and it was a great run, well worth every penny. To want more of the same enabling vision is now heresy among the new fanatics. It's amazing how sheep can be so easily, and repeatedly, fleeced. I, for one, intend to learn from my mistake.

Multiplayer functionality is now a standard for almost every game of almost every type now.

Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

Multiplayer is also what is slowly but surely crippling the videogame community as a whole. Have you interacted with most of the people you meet via games? I'm quite fine with a singleplayer game, thanks!

Only one thing dissapointed me about this game, and it isn't even a major issue or anything. Won't mention it here on the "no spoilers" forum though.

Modifié par Paxcorpus, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:17 .

[loudent3]

- Archangel - wrote...
'nother product of the console generation crying about every game needing multiplayer.


nothing to see here.

The ad hominem weakens your position. There are good technical, financial and buisiness reasons to not include MP but it can hardly be argued that, all else *not* considered, Dragon Age would be worse off if it included MP.

You could still have your solid SP only official compaign and still supported MP in general.

and I'm no console player.

[Auraad]

Nah, I still play the game, but I do understand the OP.

In MANY ways this game is a mayor let down, not only the missing MP support.

I bet my belly upon, that there won't be as many fan made modules for DA:O than for NWN. Compared to NWN, this game just doesn't have the potential. Sad, but true.

Every game ends, some end soonder, some later. I for my part will play this game for as long as there's no better substitute ... BUT wait! There is. I'll go back to the BG series soon ... ^^



Again, I admit that there are many cool things in this game, but ultimately there is many things missing. Hard to describe, sorry.

[-Area51-Silent]

Do you really want multiplayer? I mean what would the difference be story wise, whichis what the game is based on. The portion of the game that the story was supposed to tell has been told, and all characters in the game (NPCwise) will not ruin your story driven immersion into what the developers what you to experience thus far.



Multiplayer MMO's such as World of Warcraft are great, dont get me wrong, I played for about 4 years before the devs finally changed the game play to much for my liking, But if you go back to TBC for example YOU KILL ILLIDAN right, and vanquish Kil'Jaeden right? (I did atleast) with my 25 person raid group of players, but nothing happened that effected the outside world, in fact everything has stayed the same, and in 7 days if you go back guess who back?



By keeping this single player the devs can make the world change based on your actions, when somthing significant to the lore changes or happens that you cause, it will ripple through the game making the story telling ability just that much better. And lets face it, you can beat multiplayer games, and after you kill the same stuff over and over, week in and week out just for some imaginary stuff, well ya.



Just food for thought.

[Bluesmith]

The one thing this game is missing is a massive post-campaign time sink component. Where are the 1K gold houses, complete with purchasable decorations and armor dolls, in every city you can buy? The exorbitantly priced armor sets? The respawning side-dungeons?

I'm only half-kidding.

[Haexpane]

raeat wrote...

So, now it's over...

I have finished the game. There is no multiplayer and therefore no motivation to try to learn anything about the toolset (which is practically inaccessible anyway). .

This game box goes on the stack of other game boxes. No extended, community-based lifespan for Dragon Age, like there was for NWN. Bioware really dropped the ball and betrayed this former fan's trust and reasonable expectations - based on the long vaporware history and advertisements for Dragon Age. I wish I had known about the limited life before I payed for this. I certainly wouldn't have purchased the collector's edition.

Oh, yeah, there will be those who will vilify me for daring to be critical of a game they are stil playing, unthinking fan boys who will end up echoing my views in maybe another 20 or so hours, when they too finish the campaign and realize there is nothing more.

There really isn't anything left to do but clear the diskspace and wait for someone to show the initiative and vision Bioware once had. Of course, it's not like Bioware didn't know. NWN would teach any rational person what the customers loved, wanted and craved. No more of my  money goes into Bioware's coffers until htey rediscover that vision.

Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

Wait a second, help me undersand this for a moment.  You bought a single player game, finished it, and put it down?

MIND BLOWING!  MY MIND IS FREAKIN BLOWN HERE KID!!!!!!:blink::blink::blink:

[Haexpane]

Taleroth wrote...

I think Persona 3 and Xenogears are better than Summoner.

Well that's like saying you like Kiwi's more than Eggplant.  It's ok to say it, but totally different sub genres.

P3 and Xeno are both JRPGs.

Summoner is WRPG in the Bioware tradition of RTWP, complete with 4 player party + a pet, and Gear changes show up on the character in real time.  NOne of this JRPG crap of running around in a half shirt and overalls teen angst garbage.

Summoner was AWESOME at the time, and I actually played it again recently, holds up extremely well (except for the horrible quest tracking and map system)

Please note that I really like P3 and Xenogears too, just never came close to spending enough time w/ either

Modifié par Haexpane, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:28 .

[loudent3]

-Area51-Silent wrote...
Do you really want multiplayer?

Yes 

I mean what would the difference be story wise, whichis what the game is based on.

None, and I'm not advocating that the official campaign should have been made MP, only that the game itself supports it so that communtiy can make MP modules (more to the point, so they could make PWs)

The portion of the game that the story was supposed to tell has been told, and all characters in thegame (NPCwise) will not ruin your story driven immersion into what the developers what you to experience thus far.

And none of this would have been jeapordized by supporting MP.

Multiplayer MMO's such as World of Warcraft are great, dont get me wrong, I played for about 4 years before the devs finally changed the game play to much for my liking, But if you go back to TBC for example YOU KILL ILLIDAN right, and vanquish Kil'Jaeden right? (I did atleast) with my 25 person raid group of players, but nothing happened that effected the outside world, in fact everything has stayed the same, and in 7 days if you go back guess who back?

By keeping this single player the devs can make the world change based on your actions, when somthing significant to the lore changes or happens that you cause, it will ripple through the game making the story telling ability just that much better.

This is a straw man. Making it MP does not mean you can't have consquences in a story driven module. There are ample examples of modules for both NWN and NWN2 that were story driven and had future conswequences.

Also, I would point out that World of Warcraft has a system called "phasing" where the things you do, DO have impact on the world around you.

And lets face it, you can beat multiplayer games, and after you kill the same stuff over and over, week in and week out just for some imaginary stuff, well ya.

MP does not necessarily = MMO style. How much different would the OC of DA really be if, instead of the NPC companions, you nad PC companions? Would the story really have changed all that much?

Just food for thought.

I hope I gave you something to nibble on as well.