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[menasure]

Iggynous wrote...

Achievements

DUH

mm reminds me about spore ... an other EA game where questionable motives ruined a game
i tell you though it aint over till the fat lady sings and i demand a mod to transform leliana in one!
(or preferably a whole new module designed by player-programmers to do just that )

Modifié par menasure, 04 décembre 2009 - 10:51 .

[Wolfva2]

Hating a game because EA publishes it is like hating a novel because Penguin is the publisher. Hey, here's a novel idea...howabout hating something based on it's own merits instead of the publisher?

[menasure]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Hating a game because EA publishes it is like hating a novel because Penguin is the publisher. Hey, here's a novel idea...howabout hating something based on it's own merits instead of the publisher?

who says i hate EA? things are what they are. i shot down will wright on the spore forum for his merit like completely changing the base idea while advertising like nothing had changed. but what does that have to do with dragonage indeed?

Modifié par menasure, 04 décembre 2009 - 11:22 .

[raeat]

Wolfva2 wrote...

You get what you pay for. When you bought this game, you paid for a single player game. Now you lament it's not multiplayer. So, a question. When you go to McDonalds and order a BigMac, do you walk the streets moaning and groaning about it not being a 16oz Tbone with garlic mashed potatos and a tall stein of Lager? Because that is what you're doing here. Complaining that you didn't get what you didn't pay for.

For all those folks with the 'fanboiiiiis!' whine...knock it off already. Calling someone a fanboy because they disagree with you is disengenious at best. It's nothing more then an attempt to distract from the weakness of your own argument and your inability to defend your point of view. If you don't understand your own points well enough to defend them, then stay out of the dialogue pool. You'll only drown.

I take it you mean "disingenuous," yes? A simple declaration that someone is being disingenuous does not make them so. Between myself and others, I see a well-defended argument. If you don't , that's not our failing. It's yours.

When Dragon Age was first being advertised, all those years ago, it was being touted as Bioware's own successor to Neverwinter Nights, freed from the restraints imposed upon it by D&D. It was to include a toolset, a function associated with the kinds of abilities gamers were given with NWN. After years of Dragon Age being vaporware, it is not reasonable to expect anyone to follow every single, obscure little blurb. Given that there is not really a reason the game engine could not be capable of supporting multiplayer play in the spirit of NWN, I made the mistake of relying on the good reputation Bioware had earned with me for the kind of player-friendly mentality NWN represented, and that Bioware seemed to endorse. It's true - I didn't do thorough research about the game's capabilities before I bought it. I gave Bioware what seemed to be a well-earned benefit of the doubt. I regret that now. I had hoped, apparently mistakenly, that Bioware would not rely on "buyer beware" to decimate their vision so profoundly.

However, that aside, the point still stands. As a consumer, I claim the right to express my disappointment with Bioware's new lack of vision, and gamer-unfriendly mentality. This, because I hope to see gamers require a gamer-friendly mentality from game creators and producers. You may reflexively disagree - I recognize your right to do so, even if you can't seem to find it within your capability to recognize my right to express my disappointment.

When it comes down to it, Dragon Age is essentially NWN with much spiffier graphics, a marginally different rule system, and unnecessarily hobbled game functionality. I am reminded of 2nd edition D&D from T$R, when no one was permitted to post anything online that made reference to the rule system and when the resources for adventure creation were effectively removed from the ruleset. All this in an effort to restrict players' creativity and enforce supplement sales. That edition effectively killed the game by alienating the customer base. Only a last second purchase by Wizards of the Coast resuscitated the game. This kind of business strategy will drive customers away - the historical precedent is quite clear. Just like with 2nd Edition D&D, people will revel in the DLC - for a short while, and then they will begin to wonder why they can't share their gaming with friends, when the potential for it was clearly there.

Modifié par raeat, 04 décembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[raeat]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Hating a game because EA publishes it is like hating a novel because Penguin is the publisher. Hey, here's a novel idea...howabout hating something based on it's own merits instead of the publisher?

First of all, I do not hate Dragon Age because it was published by EA (I do hate EA for a disturbing correlation that is becoming more obvious). Line up your straw men so I can burn you with them - do not presume to speak for me.. In fact, if you were paying attention, you might realize that I am lauding Dragon Age, but lamenting the lack of gamer friendly functionality. My disappintment arises from lost potential, potential that Bioware had endorsed and supported, to their well-earned profit, in the past.. Obviously to everyone but you, I would not be disappointed if I despised Dragon Age altogether.

Your straw man going up in smoke, but please do feel free to publicly humiliate yourself again. It is entertaining.

[LovelyMover]

Multiplayer is also what is slowly but surely crippling the videogame community as a whole. Have you interacted with most of the people you meet via games? I'm quite fine with a singleplayer game, thanks!

Most people you meet in games aren't interested in playing DA, (my friends 6 & 7 year old kids play WoW), the age thread indicates that you're not likely to run the risk of meeting the l33t freak tween horde.  Also the servers created by people let you choose one that suits your preferred game play, so you end up with a "community" of players who share the same opinion about what makes the game most enjoyable. 

Comparing how Bioware implemented MP to current MMO's doesn't really work, the number of people on a server detracted from the sort of anonymous freak shows you get these days.  Also in the good old days, you had a mix of countries able to access servers rather than EU / US etc restrictions, personally I find most europeans obnoxious & prefer the company of americans and antipodeans.  

Wtf is it about mentioning MP that turns people into slavering monsters anyway? 

And while in semi rant mode, this whole fanboi thing, not sure which position gets you labelled as such anymore, thought I did but the criteria seem to change at an alarming rate currently it appears to be anyone that disagree's with anyone elses point of view, which means everyone that posts ffs, unless your position is "Abstention"

Ohhh the humanity....

[Maxdecmer]

What I don't get OP is how you claim that because a game does not have multi-player it is "gamer-unfriendly". It is very apparent that Bioware wanted to have a SINGLE PLAYER game. I could see how a few years ago when you first heard about DA:O you could imply that it would have multi-player. HOWEVER, not following up on what is/isn't included is laziness on your side. And then to complain about it as if you are a victim is irresponsible.



It's funny how in today's society there is such a lack of responsibility for people's actions. People can buy a game without taking the time to understand what it is they are buying then get mad because it isn't something they wanted. It's like going to a grocery store and buying a bunch of bananas getting home, eating one then ****ing to Chicita about how it doesn't taste anything like an apple.



Move on OP. If you want MP go play a MP game. There are tons around.

[Derengard]

No multiplayer and a more difficult toolset than NWN? Well, you could have guessed. "Vaporware" you call this? You have... vaporstandards. Anyway, foolish thread.

[Aberi]

MY WAY



So now, the end is here

And so I face the darkspawn demon

Zevran, I'll say it clear

I dont want your elvish semen

I've lived a life that's full

I battled each and ev'ry week day

And more, much more than this, I did it my way



Deaths, I've had a alot

Actually so much, too much to mention

I did what I had to do and save alot to survive the tension

I didnt plan a single fight, or a careful pull along the byway

But much, much more than this, I did it my way



There was some things, i did expect

but it seems its just like Mass Effect

For the love of God, its not a mmo?

F*ck this ****, how could i know?

I want it all so hear my call, i WANT IT MY WAY

[Wolfva2]

menasure wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Hating a game because EA publishes it is like hating a novel because Penguin is the publisher. Hey, here's a novel idea...howabout hating something based on it's own merits instead of the publisher?

who says i hate EA? things are what they are. i shot down will wright on the spore forum for his merit like completely changing the base idea while advertising like nothing had changed. but what does that have to do with dragonage indeed?

Who says I was addressing you?  Just because a response is under yours doesn't mean it's directed at you.  I learned a long time ago that if a non-directed post didn't apply to me, it probably wasn't about me.  


So Raet, you see, "You're just a FANBOIIIIIII!" as a valid response?  Interesting.  Or, perhaps my above responce to Menasure applies to you as well?  In other words, perhaps I wasn't talking about arguements YOU made, but instead the people's whose responce was to just call others 'fanboi!"?  Hmmm.  Couullldddd beeeee.  Also, stop the nitpicking on simple spelling errors.  "AHHA!  This person used an i instead of an e!  Surely I shall now be able to competely destroy his entire thesis based on a spelling error! MUAHAHAHAHHA!"  I'm also mildly dislexic, so feel free to call me on those errors where I transposed letters and didn't catch myself.

Dragon Age is as much NWN as NWN is Eye of the Beholder.  Less so, actually, as DA isn't based on the D&D rules, unlike NWN and EotB.  Are there similarities?  Lessee...both are medievalistic fantasy games played on the computer where you control parties of adventurers and do quests.  EGADS!  They're clones!  Exactly identical!   

Bottom line, so what?  It is a GAME.  Games are meant to be enjoyed.  If you didn't enjoy it, oh well.  Lords know there are plenty of games I've bought over the years I didn't like.  Instead of rushing to their forums to decry how lame they were and stating that my opinion was the one and only true gospel, and all who didn't adhere to my beliefs were losers, I simply realized that my dislike for the game had FAR more to do with my own personal likes and dislikes and less to do with the game.  This was bolstered by the fact that OTHER people DID like the game.  I saw no reason to urinate in their cornflakes, or try to rile them up by questioning their taste in games.  But then again, I've always known that my opinion is just that.  My OPINION.  It has meaning only to ONE person.  Myself.  And thus, bears exactly as much weight as every one else's opinion..that is to say none whatsoever outside of that person's own mind.  Perhaps one day you'll learn that as well and stop assuming that your opinion means you are right.  Frankly, when it comes to whether or not a game sucks, there is NO right or wrong answer.  It is all up to the individual.

[SanitariumPr]

how things end - russian roulet - maybe the last bullet is a dud, let's try.

[Marvin TPA]

I tried to replay the NWN original campaign earlier this year and was struck by how dreadful it was. The clunky multi player friendly, but repetitive and dull design is still horrible.



The OP wanted this game to be like NWN, I wanted to be like BG.



The devs. seemed to be clear about DAO's design philosophy and the direction the game would take.



This leaves me a happy consumer and the OP an unhappy one.

So with no shred of sympathy I quote the Stones "you can't always get what you want".

[raeat]

Maxdecmer wrote...

What I don't get OP is how you claim that because a game does not have multi-player it is "gamer-unfriendly". It is very apparent that Bioware wanted to have a SINGLE PLAYER game. I could see how a few years ago when you first heard about DA:O you could imply that it would have multi-player. HOWEVER, not following up on what is/isn't included is laziness on your side. And then to complain about it as if you are a victim is irresponsible.

It's funny how in today's society there is such a lack of responsibility for people's actions. People can buy a game without taking the time to understand what it is they are buying then get mad because it isn't something they wanted. It's like going to a grocery store and buying a bunch of bananas getting home, eating one then ****ing to Chicita about how it doesn't taste anything like an apple.

Move on OP. If you want MP go play a MP game. There are tons around.

As for your first "gamer unfriendly" concern, it has been expressed and explained with alarming redundancy in this thread. I refer you to previous posts.

Laziness? Perhaps that is one characterization. Another could be mistakenly trusting in the precedent Bioware had established. When there's two copies of the game in the store, no others in the city, and they are expected to be gone within minutes, you rely on the reputation of the company. I'm not looking for my money back. I made the mistake; I payed the price (I won't make it again), and I suffer the results in what has become a tragic predator/prey ambush.  What I do hope to do, is influence Bioware to consider re-establishing the positive mentality they had previously built with their fan base.

In any event, don't let the point get lost in the sound and fury. THAT would be irresponsible.

Actually it is more like complaining that the banana doesn't taste like a banana. If you go to a metal concert, you expect a certain kind of music. If what you get is elevator muzak, only unreasonable people expect you to not complain about it.  One never knows the product until one experiences it. Did you know that consumer complaint information is available for just about every product on the market? It is, and there's a reason for that. This site consists of a whole lot more than just this one thread; all that beckons to you if you find this thread distasteful.

Why should I move on? I *want* multiplayer for this game. I want to see the game reach its potential - to advance the state of the art. Now, why is that such a bad thing?

[Errel]

Disagree.



Part of me wishes i had finish this playthrough so i could start with the next already!

Playing 2 origins at once would be madness, I want to know how (the first) one ends first!



There you have it, people will always disagree on what a game should be like. The solution is to buy games you know you'll like. Bioware has always been very clear and open on what DA:O would be like.

[Chezdon]

What a stupid post. It's a game, that's not meant to last forever.



Do something all of us will be doing - carry on with real life.

[Marvin TPA]

The real life end game sucks.

[raeat]

Wolfva2 wrote...

So Raet, you see, "You're just a FANBOIIIIIII!" as a valid response?  Interesting.  Or, perhaps my above responce to Menasure applies to you as well?  In other words, perhaps I wasn't talking about arguements YOU made, but instead the people's whose responce was to just call others 'fanboi!"?  Hmmm.  Couullldddd beeeee.  Also, stop the nitpicking on simple spelling errors.  "AHHA!  This person used an i instead of an e!  Surely I shall now be able to competely destroy his entire thesis based on a spelling error! MUAHAHAHAHHA!"  I'm also mildly dislexic, so feel free to call me on those errors where I transposed letters and didn't catch myself.

Dragon Age is as much NWN as NWN is Eye of the Beholder.  Less so, actually, as DA isn't based on the D&D rules, unlike NWN and EotB.  Are there similarities?  Lessee...both are medievalistic fantasy games played on the computer where you control parties of adventurers and do quests.  EGADS!  They're clones!  Exactly identical!   

Bottom line, so what?  It is a GAME.  Games are meant to be enjoyed.  If you didn't enjoy it, oh well.  Lords know there are plenty of games I've bought over the years I didn't like.  Instead of rushing to their forums to decry how lame they were and stating that my opinion was the one and only true gospel, and all who didn't adhere to my beliefs were losers, I simply realized that my dislike for the game had FAR more to do with my own personal likes and dislikes and less to do with the game.  This was bolstered by the fact that OTHER people DID like the game.  I saw no reason to urinate in their cornflakes, or try to rile them up by questioning their taste in games.  But then again, I've always known that my opinion is just that.  My OPINION.  It has meaning only to ONE person.  Myself.  And thus, bears exactly as much weight as every one else's opinion..that is to say none whatsoever outside of that person's own mind.  Perhaps one day you'll learn that as well and stop assuming that your opinion means you are right.  Frankly, when it comes to whether or not a game sucks, there is NO right or wrong answer.  It is all up to the individual.

When you decide who it is you are responding to, please do feel free to let the rest of us know. To my mind, if you are engaging in a public conversation, like on a public forum say, publicly visible to everyone involved, then you are responding to everyone engaged in the conversation. To borrow someone else's word, this tact above and on your part is disingenuous - and a touch cowardly, truth to tell.

Thank you for reiterating the differences between NWN and Dragon Age that I had already stated and accounted for. Glad we agree on something. Do try to pay attention.

I see you can (or choose to) read not at all. My previous post in response to you indicated clearly that I do not hate Dragon Age. I thought I was clear enough about that that anyone could understand it. I find your repeated failure, despite that correction, to recognize this as a sign of you being dishonest and irrelevant, as is all of your criticisms based on that error. There is no need to address any of that noise, since it is based on a mistaken apprehension (I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume it wasn't deliberate)..

People share ideas in public forums. I suspect that isn't going to change anytime soon. I recommend you get used to it if you intend to participate. After all, I am not telling anyone that they cannot critique my position, or even swear at me or hurl abuse at me.

Modifié par raeat, 04 décembre 2009 - 12:33 .

[DaLabbes]

While I never even finished NWN's single player, I really wonder why anyone would play any "serious" (as in "no Hack&Slay) RPG in multiplayer.

Dragon Age even more than BG2. I know BG2 can be a lot of fun in MP, I played it with some friends. But when I play with friends, I do not play the highly-immersive game where you can make your own choices. We play Diablo 2. Flatout 2. Counterstrike. Games where you can laugh and curse in Teamspeak.

Now, I'm not saying that I would not have liked a MP, MP would have been great, but if I want to have a blast and laugh my ass of with friends, I play something like above. If I want to play an immersive RPG (immersion is destroyed by Teamspeak. Utterly.), I either do it alone, or I go look for a Pen&Paper group.

So while it probably would/could have been a cool addition, I can't say I miss it.



Apart from that issue, I find it interesting how many people do not read the whole thread (or even OP) before responding. How 4chan has destroyed forum behavior...

[kevinwastaken]

Multiplayer is lame.

[Aldandil]

raeat wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Soon as you use the words "fan boys"..you loose all crediablity.

Theres a cell in Oblivion waiting for you thou.

Thanks for condiering the content, instead of just fixating on some vague excuse to dismiss.

I will assign you zero credibility for that,  much less crediablity (whatever that is).


Just remember: Crediablity - It is your thou to loose!

I disagree with you about the vagueness of that issue. If you use an argument that works as an ad hominem attack on anyone who would like to disagree with you, then I'd call that bad manners and it really hollows out the point your trying to make. This goes for both the use of the term "fan boy" and "troll", both used in this thread.

I'm sure you realize how very subjective your opinion is (as opinions tend to be). I'm still getting something out of this game after my first playthrough, and I've gathered that lots of other people are as well. Apparently, it's not over for everyone. It's clear that they couldn't have produced the game that they did AND added a multiplayer component in the same amount of time (and they sure spent a lot of time on this game) so in order to add multi-player, they would have had to take something else out. They decided they wanted to focus on the single-player experience, and it seems as if there are lots of gamers who have been waiting for such a game. They can't please everyone.

[pmaura]

hmm to bad for you, becuase I want to run it through as different characters, each one have different options. sorry your an uber gamer who thought it was a rts you could play with your firends on the interenet.

this game has tons of replayability.

[Dragon Age1103]

raeat wrote...

So, now it's over...

I have finished the game. There is no multiplayer and therefore no motivation to try to learn anything about the toolset (which is practically inaccessible anyway). .

This game box goes on the stack of other game boxes. No extended, community-based lifespan for Dragon Age, like there was for NWN. Bioware really dropped the ball and betrayed this former fan's trust and reasonable expectations - based on the long vaporware history and advertisements for Dragon Age. I wish I had known about the limited life before I payed for this. I certainly wouldn't have purchased the collector's edition.

Oh, yeah, there will be those who will vilify me for daring to be critical of a game they are stil playing, unthinking fan boys who will end up echoing my views in maybe another 20 or so hours, when they too finish the campaign and realize there is nothing more.

There really isn't anything left to do but clear the diskspace and wait for someone to show the initiative and vision Bioware once had. Of course, it's not like Bioware didn't know. NWN would teach any rational person what the customers loved, wanted and craved. No more of my  money goes into Bioware's coffers until htey rediscover that vision.

Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

  Well I don't have such a bleak view on the end of the game for many reasons
1- I was aware that DA:O is a single player game only before I purchased it
2-There is a lot of replay value for ne1 who can appreciate the classes, specializations &  overall well developed game mechanics.
3-There are a lot of rare items, side quests, & rare armor/weapons you will not find on your first play through
4-There is already great DLC along with a 2 year window planned for future DLC & expansions
5-I'm not some spoiled little kid who grew up on xbox live & can only find replay value in a multiplayer game b/c I lack almost any form of imagination(aka you)
6-I really appreciate all the long hours & hard work Bioware put into this facinating world which holds a lot of replay value & I can not wait to get my hands on an expansion.
7-30-120 hours in a purely single player game is legendary for the past 10 years of games.

  Bioware is looking for reliable detailed feedback not some kid complaing b/c a single a player game that was clearly stated to be a single player game months before launch doesn't hold replay value for him.
  As for your comment on the commercials they just showed the key points of the game 1tactical team based fighting 2 a very large immersive world 3an action packed story with a very deep plot.
  If you would like to blame ne1 for a kind of false sense of the game that would be the reviewers for boasting 120+ hours when it really depends on how you play b/c 50 hours is much more fair to say for your more entry level average gamer.
  You seem pretty obsessed with NW2 so instead of wasting our time with your very narrow minded complaints you could simply stop playing & complaing about DA:O & go enjoy NW2 & spare us all from your practically unintelligible complaints b/c they are so basic & poorly spoken I doubt ne1 would care to count it as an informative & constructive overview of game fualts that could be improved upon.

[Dragon Age1103]

raeat wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Wait a second, help me undersand this for a moment.  You bought a single player game, finished it, and put it down?

MIND BLOWING!  MY MIND IS FREAKIN BLOWN HERE KID!!!!!!:blink::blink::blink:

I don't doubt it is.

Talk about missing the point entirely. Given this, I doubt you represent the brightest and the best. 

I did offer a couple of posts that might help you to understand, if you weren't being so deliberately oblivious (Well, I hope it's deliberate...)

   Its fairly easy to read that you are some ridiculous NWN fanboy but you don't mention that Bioware gets a majority of their recognition from KotOR, ME, & BG2. 2 out of 3 are sigle player games. There are many ppl out there who do NOT like multiplayer games what so ever for an RPG title. I'm not one of them b/c I LOVE Diablo 2 but the point is 1 aspect can't or shouldn't ruin or greatly decrease value of a game unless you're very closed-minded or hung up on an older game (that would be you) So stop arguing with ppl & trying to start something on the forums you little annoying child & go play NWN 1 or 2 so we don't have to deal with children like you on our forums.

[Sylixe]

raeat wrote...

So, now it's over...

I have finished the game. There is no multiplayer and therefore no motivation to try to learn anything about the toolset (which is practically inaccessible anyway). .

This game box goes on the stack of other game boxes. No extended, community-based lifespan for Dragon Age, like there was for NWN. Bioware really dropped the ball and betrayed this former fan's trust and reasonable expectations - based on the long vaporware history and advertisements for Dragon Age. I wish I had known about the limited life before I payed for this. I certainly wouldn't have purchased the collector's edition.

Oh, yeah, there will be those who will vilify me for daring to be critical of a game they are stil playing, unthinking fan boys who will end up echoing my views in maybe another 20 or so hours, when they too finish the campaign and realize there is nothing more.

There really isn't anything left to do but clear the diskspace and wait for someone to show the initiative and vision Bioware once had. Of course, it's not like Bioware didn't know. NWN would teach any rational person what the customers loved, wanted and craved. No more of my  money goes into Bioware's coffers until htey rediscover that vision.

Hobbled potential - it's in the game!

Uhm..it was well known this game was a single player RPG like the BG series. 

[Wolfva2]

Skipping all the adhomynym attacks Raet keeps tossing out, as I said the bottom line is he bought a single player game and is angry because it's not a multi-player game. Thus, he writes a post lauding a game he liked (Neverwinter Nights) and stating he won't buy another Bioware game until they change Dragon Age to be just like Neverwinter Nights. Anyone who states an opinion that doesn't support his is either a fanboy, a troll, or a mispeller. /yawn. I'm gonna give him a 3 on the troll scale.