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[loudent3]

Marvin TPA wrote...
I tried to replay the NWN original campaign earlier this year and was struck by how dreadful it was. The clunky multi player friendly, but repetitive and dull design is still horrible.

The OP wanted this game to be like NWN, I wanted to be like BG.

Again, you have to seperate the Official Campaigns from the engine itself. The decision to make areas such as they were in NWN1 were the limitations in technology for the time. (we're talking like 9 years ago, 11 if you consider when the game was being developed) and design decisions. 

I'll say it again because I don't think people are understanding how this works. I could re-create, in it's entirety, DA: Origins in NWN2. Other than a few aesthetic issues (some areas cannot be exactly mimiced without custom content) it would play exacly the same with exactly the same consequences, cut-scenes and everything. It wouldn't  quite as nice and the animations are much worse, butt the story would unfold in exactly the same way.

Supporting MP does not mean you can't have a meaningful storyline, although the it's rare that the two go hand in hand.

Wolfva2 wrote... the bottom line is he bought a single player game and is angry because it's not a multi-player game.

I think you're completely misunderstand. I don't know if he's angry or not, but he certainly is disappointed that Bioware chose to make this a SP only game. I think he has a right to voice his disappointment. Probably in hopes that in future Bioware development they take it to heart. I voiced my disappointment long ago when it was first announced it would be SP only so I don't feel the need to start new threads on the matter, but I certainly understand why he wanted to.

I find it hard to believe you've never expressed disappointment about the decisions other people have made.

[toronto13]

KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Fallout 3
Oblivion

Top 6 RPG and none of them have MP.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Odd, considering that I am on my fifth playthrough and have about four more planned... I guess I am just better at getting my money's worth.

[Haexpane]

raeat wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

raeat wrote...


Just remember: Crediablity - It is your thou to loose! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Can someone tell me what is "crediability" and why is it loose?

That's "crediablity." Someone was responding to me in this thread who, it seems, doesn't have access to a spell checker - or a vocabulary. Apparently, I have no "crediablity" - the pain is so hard to bear. I am teasing anyone who can't be bothered to limit their typos to ten or less per post.

Yeah, it's a cheap ploy, but you should see some of the mindless vitriol I'm receiving. I see no reason to not fight vitriol with humour.

Wrong neckbeard, you started out insulting people now you are trying to reverse the heat... such a typical troll tactic and SO boring of you.

[LovelyMover]

loudent3 wrote...

Marvin TPA wrote...
I tried to replay the NWN original campaign earlier this year and was struck by how dreadful it was. The clunky multi player friendly, but repetitive and dull design is still horrible.

The OP wanted this game to be like NWN, I wanted to be like BG.

Again, you have to seperate the Official Campaigns from the engine itself. The decision to make areas such as they were in NWN1 were the limitations in technology for the time. (we're talking like 9 years ago, 11 if you consider when the game was being developed) and design decisions. 

I'll say it again because I don't think people are understanding how this works. I could re-create, in it's entirety, DA: Origins in NWN2. Other than a few aesthetic issues (some areas cannot be exactly mimiced without custom content) it would play exacly the same with exactly the same consequences, cut-scenes and everything. It wouldn't  quite as nice and the animations are much worse, butt the story would unfold in exactly the same way.

Supporting MP does not mean you can't have a meaningful storyline, although the it's rare that the two go hand in hand.

Wolfva2 wrote... the bottom line is he bought a single player game and is angry because it's not a multi-player game.

I think you're completely misunderstand. I don't know if he's angry or not, but he certainly is disappointed that Bioware chose to make this a SP only game. I think he has a right to voice his disappointment. Probably in hopes that in future Bioware development they take it to heart. I voiced my disappointment long ago when it was first announced it would be SP only so I don't feel the need to start new threads on the matter, but I certainly understand why he wanted to.

I find it hard to believe you've never expressed disappointment about the decisions other people have made.

Well Bloody Said!

The OP is more about disapponitment and he's not the only one that shares that view, I've paid for & played BG, BG2, KoTOR, and all the rest of them, even Icewind dale ffs , I love the games but they're all sitting on shelves gathering dust the ONE set of disks & codes I always cared about were because of the MP server that I used to play.

There are so many people ****in about MP, WTF have you been playing?  WoW, DDO, AoC...?  If you don't like playing on line stf, everyone gets it, wtf are you looking to gain by shouting down anyone that mentiones MP, that's MULTIPLAYER not MMO.  

Have any of you naysayers considered that people dissapointed by the lack of MP feel that way because games like WoW, DDO, AoC et al, are full of MINDLESS children; and had hopes that Bioware would provide tools to allow those so in-*Samuel L Jackson*-clined to enjoy a community based-online game, not with thousands of players, but with one or two hundred per server, but where hundreds of servers are available....

[bushmins]

I would have loved a mp.

[Papahet31]

raeat wrote...

thegreateski wrote...


Your problem is you want MORE. NOW.

I can't say. . .pull new content out of my bum every 30 seconds.

As for the multipl- No, I won't coment on that.

No, you didn't read what I have written. I want the *potential* for more now.

Oh...well since you put it that way, it makes perfect sense

[LovelyMover]

Papahet31 wrote...

raeat wrote...

thegreateski wrote...


Your problem is you want MORE. NOW.

I can't say. . .pull new content out of my bum every 30 seconds.

As for the multipl- No, I won't coment on that.

No, you didn't read what I have written. I want the *potential* for more now.

Oh...well since you put it that way, it makes perfect sense

Perahps he's alluding to something more than dubious SP mod's that demand download & installation, prior to finding out if it was worth the hassle or not.

[Sylixe]

toronto13 wrote...

KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Fallout 3
Oblivion

Top 6 RPG and none of them have MP.

KOTOR 2 and Oblivion really shouldn't be on that list.  However Morrowind should definetly be on there.

[Lil Kis]

I will rate my favorite Bioware games in order



Dragon Age Origins

KOTOR 1

KOTOR 2

Jade Empire

Mass Effect



of all the games I liked except for Mass Effect it was boring and boring. There was hardly any story to the game. The game was way too short too....and you didn't get to know your companions that well like the rest of the games and they were boring characters anyways...

[loudent3]

Sylixe wrote...

toronto13 wrote...

KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Mass Effect
Dragon Age
Fallout 3
Oblivion

Top 6 RPG and none of them have MP.

KOTOR 2 and Oblivion really shouldn't be on that list.  However Morrowind should definetly be on there.

I wouldn't worry about his list. They were clearly cherry-picked to serve his point. This is more a list of "RPG's that I could think of that don't have MP".

There are several "RPG's of the Year" (some with MP, some without) missing from his list of "top" RPGs. In fact there was one that was even "game of the year" missing here.

Completely made up. No one has a top *6* list. It's always top 5 or 10 (sometimes 3 or 9, but never top "6"). Like I said, just the list of RPGs he could think of without MP.

[BomimoDK]

at op, cause i don't have the energy to read all these posts.

Baldur's Gate series had neither toolset or a multiplayer that was near playable, but it still has an insane amount of mods and an insane amount of active players. how is dragon age going to be any different?
i bet that when DA2 gets here, we'll se a golden age for the DA series as we did for Baldur's Gate series when BG2 came along. maybe some epic mods like the northern tales, eastern tales and BGT mod. rule enhancements, boss toughenings, mob rebalancing. the baldur's gate community managed all that with no toolset. since DA is a spiritual brother of forgotten realms and the BG series i'm expecting a motherload of fantastic mods to crop up over the next decade.

i'm one of the seemingly very few fans of the original Baldur's gate. i love that game far more than any Bioware game or any game at all. the free-form exploration almost semi-open world. the original dungeons, among these Durlag's tower (one of my greatest adventures ever). fantastic game, something that the mod community and Bioware together can achieve for this IP too.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 04 décembre 2009 - 08:44 .

[Psi Shadowdarkk]

problem as i see it, is that everyone on these boards talk about this game like its a MMO. "they need to add more talents this", "Does my class suck". and all of this talk like they are playing warcrack. then they beat the game and are shocked that it ends. I mean i was one that played BG one on gamespy every day for a long time, but it was just playing the single player with someone else controling a party member basiclly. multiplayer never has been bioware bread and butter, so why the shock

[arntson]

raeat wrote...

arntson wrote...

because you cant experience the same with mp if bw made a mp rpg I PRAY TO GOD THEY MAKE IT A CORE ASPECT otherwise it will screw up gameplay and who to say somepeople arnt trying to make great campaigns/mods there prolly just trying to make them the best you can

also it seems your really just an anti ea haterboy just observing may be wrong

Busted. As someone who wants to play Madden football on a PC and enjoyed creating custom teams (straining against the unnecessary game hobbling), I have developed a prodigious hatred of EA. To see any influence from EA in Bioware's work is tragic in the extreme. The gamer-friendly mentality of Bioware has already been sacrificed.

Now when you say, "because you cant experience the same with mp if bw made a mp rpg" are you certain of this and are you certain you are referring to the same sort of multiplayer play you are criticizing? You aren't confusing what is being spoken of here with MMORPGs are you? Lots of screamers are making this error.

The point was made earlier that it doesn't cause any grief whatsoever for the single
player campaign if the game engine supports multiplayer play. It didn't
for NWN and NWN gave us the choice of playing it single player or multiplayer - as we wished. I think this point has much merit and warrants being
considered. I do not see anything in the story of Dragon Age that could not have been written in NWN, but NWN doesn't have the excellent graphics of Dragon Age, and NWN supported single player campaigns perfectly well..

look ill admit ive never played NWN but i am not confusing it with mmorpgs i just dont think you could expierence the story the same in multiplayer what if my freind lets call them ted and tina made female charecters and i had tried to romance them simply cause i like theyre charecters it would make them think im gay if i tried to romance ted and it would ruin my friend ship with tina and another thing im pretty sure they mean to include sequels that continue from where you left off(or the near future) thus continue your save charecter...anyways ive kind of lost my train of thought so ill leave off with this: i guess a form of mp could work

Modifié par arntson, 04 décembre 2009 - 09:07 .

[Misterbill]

SheffSteel wrote...

regrets... I've had a few...

.....but then again, too few to mention.....

[Haexpane]

It's a given that everyone would have loved more of their favorite features in DAO.



Making troll threads about it and insulting everyone who disagrees isn't exactly a worthwhile endeavor, unless you are trying to generate hate.

[Wolfva2]

loudent3 wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote... the bottom line is he bought a single player game and is angry because it's not a multi-player game.

I think you're completely misunderstand. I don't know if he's angry or not, but he certainly is disappointed that Bioware chose to make this a SP only game. I think he has a right to voice his disappointment. Probably in hopes that in future Bioware development they take it to heart. I voiced my disappointment long ago when it was first announced it would be SP only so I don't feel the need to start new threads on the matter, but I certainly understand why he wanted to.

I find it hard to believe you've never expressed disappointment about the decisions other people have made.

No, I don't think I misunderstand at all.  I went back and reread his first post, you see.  Do the same and you may see. 

Oh, I'm sure I've been disapointed in other people's decisions.  I'm kinda disapointed in some of Sam Raimi's decisions with Spiderman3 <LOL>.  But, if I buy the wrong game then I'm not disapointed the game company didn't make something different, I'm disapointed in myself for not checking out the game first and making sure it's what I want.  True story.  Years and years ago, I bought a new game.  But it was on 3.5 discs and I was still using the 5.25 floppies.  I didn't rush to the game's website (even had such things existed back then I wouldn't have) to complain that they screwed up by not putting it on the older, bigger disk.  Instead, I kicked myself for not looking at the freaking box.  When you screw up, whose fault is it?  It's your fault.  But instead of accepting he bought a game that wasn't what he wanted, he is basically threatening to 'hold his breath till he dies' if Bioware doesn't change their business model to suit him.  It's very childish. 

Now, I'm not going to jump into the 'MP or no MP' debate.  Personally, I couldn't care less.  But THIS is the game that Bioware made.  You can ask them to change their minds, you can debate whether or not it'd be a success (probably would be since so many people seem interested).  A MP option probably wouldn't effect those who don't want to play MP.  But to DEMAND that they do what YOU want them to or ELSE!!!  Ummm....yeah.  To claim that they are WRONG?  That your opinion and your opinion alone is the correct answer?  I dunno.  Pretty much a post style that screams for flames.

Btw, the 'you' is general you, not a specific you.  Just wanted to toss that out in case someone thinks I am talking to them directly.  I ain't.

[Haexpane]

UIgh Spiderman 3... .worst super hero movie of ALL TIME... yes worse than Batman Forever/Batman and Robin.



At least the Schuemacher nonsense was not taking itself seriously. Raimi actually wants people to take Emo Spidey seriously.



IT was bad enough that he shoe horned in "organic webshooters" so he could do that one voyeur spunking scene he thought was funny in Spidey 1 (it was not funny) but he followed it up by completely ruining the Peter Parker character and peeing all over the Venom idea.



Spidey 3 was so awful, I don't know if I can ever watch another Marvel film again. Even Xmen 3 is (slightly) better than Spidey 3.

[Flamesz]

Almost finished my third playthrough. Bioware are gonna make DLC and Expansions. Until each of them come out, i have other games to play. Dragon Age is awesome.

[scrimex]

So, now it's over...but is it really. The awesome guys at bioware know you might have more money to spend so enjoy your screenshots and think of the good times.

[Baranaw]

My only qualm with the ending to the game is simply the fact that you can not go back and clean up side quests after you defeat the Archdemon. Additionally, I wasnt able to find several Specilizations on my playthough that I was looking forward to. I failed hard by not keeping a save file that is pre-quest dump when you head to Redcliffe. :-(

Modifié par Baranaw, 04 décembre 2009 - 11:17 .

[Sylixe]

Haexpane wrote...

UIgh Spiderman 3... .worst super hero movie of ALL TIME... yes worse than Batman Forever/Batman and Robin.

At least the Schuemacher nonsense was not taking itself seriously. Raimi actually wants people to take Emo Spidey seriously.

IT was bad enough that he shoe horned in "organic webshooters" so he could do that one voyeur spunking scene he thought was funny in Spidey 1 (it was not funny) but he followed it up by completely ruining the Peter Parker character and peeing all over the Venom idea.

Spidey 3 was so awful, I don't know if I can ever watch another Marvel film again. Even Xmen 3 is (slightly) better than Spidey 3.

At least it had a plot which is more than i can say for the second Transformers movie.

[pokemaughan]

Yep, I agree OP



Kinda silly to go without Co-op of sorts