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[Brian.V3]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If Bioware didn't care they wouldn't be giving you a extended cut for free. You guys are just making crap up now, it makes you all look very childish.

1.) There is no gurantee the extended cut will be released.

2.) If the extended cut is released, there is no gurantee it will be free. 

3.) I won't get into the whole "care or not" deal, but there is an increasingly apparent conflict of interest in Bioware's game design and development.  It seems to have become destructive.

4.) Maturity is a fallacy. 

Press Release... answered points 1 and 2. 

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If Bioware didn't care they wouldn't be giving you a extended cut for free. You guys are just making crap up now, it makes you all look very childish.

Sense.

You are making none.

The whole "extended cut" is going to be nothing more than a longer cutscene, but no new dialogue. Laughable damage control at best, absolutely pointless at worst.

I recall many people wanting only clarity and closure, not a rewrite. The people in the Retake movement were untied under the premise that they hated the ending that`s it. The problem, is that you all hated it for different reasons and expected different responses from Bioware. 

 Naturally, some of you are disappointed, but don`t be so quick to assume everyone from your movement agree`s with you. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 06 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Tirigon]

Brian.V3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If Bioware didn't care they wouldn't be giving you a extended cut for free. You guys are just making crap up now, it makes you all look very childish.

1.) There is no gurantee the extended cut will be released.

2.) If the extended cut is released, there is no gurantee it will be free. 

Press Release... answered points 1 and 2.

BECAUSE BIOWARE NEVER, EVER, LIED TO US!!!!


OH **** WAIT!!!!!!!!!

[Mettyx]

Benny8484 wrote...

They are using it as a scapegoat.  What they are really saying is "Theres no revenue generated from additional content & we would have to re-hire voice actors etc"

Pretty much, that's just the way Bioware thinks now. That's why this happened in the first place.

[PaxtonFetel]

The truth is that we see today Death brand universe Mass Effect, of course it's hard to take.
But it's not the fans fault, this decision is fully accepted producers game. I hope fate will punish them for it.

[Blooddsshott]

You people are seriously beginning to p*ss me off, First off i completely agree that ME3 had an awfully rushed and terrible ending with no shortage of bad writing, plot holes and the last minute deus ex machina which completely went againt everything the series stood for. But the fact is that its still biowares ending, their art, not yours, even though you bought the game they still made it, Its their property, so of coarse they're not going to completely change THEIR ending to please the said "Loyal fans" who give bioware a hard time if they so much as fart in the wrong direction. The fact that bioware doesnt have to do anything about there ending, but indeed they are trying to throw there fans a bone by creating FREE dlc that bioware promises to at the very least ad closure for everyone should atleast warrent a "thank you" from the fans, but no instead the said individuals who call themselves "loyal fans" whine/Cry/Complain because they wont re do there whole ending. Show alittle respect. -Thank you

[Chapity]

So, lemme see if I got this straight. Artistic integrity is compromised the second you allow anything outside to influence your vision? So, it's not art unless it's created in a vacuum? I got two words for that, Andy Warhol. Two more right here, post modern. Now, as for ea's influence, what, you prefer Microsoft? They would have limited this to xbox and pc, and with me1's success you would have seen FAR more dlc than you have because Microsoft would have demanded as such. Ea is a business and a publicly traded one at that. They have exactly one responsibility to the shareholders: make money. I didn't know so many socialists gamed. Yes, they set deadlines. Welcome to graphic design. Yes they influence the trending. Welcome to publishing. But do they decide what the product is? No, they don't. That's being a publisher/producer. You can have some goals you want met, but you can't redefine what exists because you want to. The move to ea was mutually beneficial as bioware wanted a bigger audience and ea needed new ip (need for speed, madden, tiger, and medel of honer don't sell like new forever you know). Da2 isnt a great game, but I have played worse (much worse infact). Me3 for 36 hours meets every criteria for game of the year but the ending isn't what most wanted (for various reasons). Doesn't mean it isn't great.

[abaris]

Chapity wrote...

Ea is a business and a publicly traded one at that. They have exactly one responsibility to the shareholders: make money.

Yes, that is their one and only responsibility. And money will tell if they took the right direction by trying to create Jacks of all Trades. In fact money is the only corporate language.

Well, there goes artistic integrity for starters.

Now, I may be totally wrong, but certain PR phrases and reactions indicate that they expected more sales and less aggravation over their latest product. So, here we go again. Money is doing the talking. Not artistic integrity.

Modifié par abaris, 06 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

"Artistic Intergrity" is BW's bull**** excuse not to change anything. It's crap we all know it is

[PadawanMage71]

Dead Parrot wrote...

Malice1979 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Bioware is a group of bunch of liars.

Casey Hudson is a liar
Mac Walters is a goddamn liar

This.

If they simply fessed up before hand and admited that for whatever reason they couldn't impliment the ending(s) they hyped up in previous interviews then it wouldn't be so bad but the fact is they didn't and even now they don't have the commen decency to address what they previously said.

THIS i believe is the crux of why so many people don't like the ending.  Is this what future game releases will be like, statements that many will take with a giant grain of salt? <_<

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

That picture exposes their lies

[greghorvath]

What's with the excuse of Artistic integrity nonsense about changing the ending of a video game? I'm absolutely sick of hearing it and sick of Bioware hiding behind it and using it to defend there unsatisfactory spoiled consumers ranting and raging about someone else's creation (for which, they did indeed have to pay to participate in). The real Fans, the people who buy the games don't give a **** about this so called really appreciate the privilege of being able to participate in such an adventure through the efforts of hundreds of creative people with "Aartistic integrity" and just want a proper  are able to comprehend and enjoy the ending, do not need further clarification or a large dlc that fixes changes the vast amount of problems with the ending it.

However, just because it can be considered art it does not mean it can't be changed, but neither should anyone think that Bioware should forget about artistic integrity bioware and be only should be more concerned with what some of the fans want.

Modifié par greghorvath, 06 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[The Razman]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

The Razman wrote...

"Artistic integrity" means that you don't create your works for other people. You can sell them, sure ... but for anything to have artistic integrity, it has to come from you and your exploration of ideas and stories, and not from your desire to please a majority or sell more of the product or anything. Example: Britney Spears has no artistic integrity because her music exists merely to please the mainstream, while Johnny Cash has artistic integrity because he created music because that's what he loved doing.

If Bioware changed their ending, they'd be compromising their artistic integrity by virtue of altering the nature of their story to fit what the mainstream want, rather than letting it stand as the story they wanted to tell and letting it be judged upon that standard. I don't support the destruction of artistic integrity for any reason.

So when Casey went on about how the team didn't initially plan for Tali to be a fulltime squaddie but then changed their minds because of the Tali fans, they comprised their artistic integrity?

No. Creating more art which takes into consideration what fans of previous pieces liked is not compromising anything. Changing art you've already created to do so is.

[WhereisBaoDur]

yeah, what about all the "By using [our technology], your civilization develops along the paths we desire."? that in my opinion was one of the best concepts of mass effect, that and Legion saying that the goal is not more important than the means to achieve it? it got dumped altogether. there is NO WAY to leave the geth as they are and save the quarians. artistic integrity my ass.