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[ksaf]

topic says it all, really...which one would you recommend?

[noobiedude]

dual wield

[joe_black]

I'd go with the two hander...see clear as mud.... I recommend starfang

[Darth_Shizz]

Wasn't there a thread with this exact same title? After playing both, I prefer 2-hander.

[snow0815]

2H goes better with warrior as you don't have to put lots of points into dex which does nothing for your dmg, and you need str for massive armor anyway.

[Darth_Shizz]

ksaf wrote...

topic says it all, really...which one would you recommend?

Bring a mage with haste though, else people might call you gimped.

[Stammwuerze]

As snow said. A DW-Warrior with massive armor is not working. You need a ****load of strength to be able to use your skills without a f**** increase at skill costs. So only one way to go: 2h-Warrior.

Darth_Shizz wrote...

ksaf wrote...

topic says it all, really...which one would you recommend?

Bring a mage with haste though, else people might call you gimped.

Yeah, sadly. 2h-Warrior on nightmare is kind of frustrating sometimes. Get ready to grab a beer once a miss displays.
I would highly recommend getting the best gear asap. Meaning, start of with the DLC to grab spoiler and after that go to the magetower to catch granny.

Modifié par Stammwuerze, 03 décembre 2009 - 08:33 .

[nicodeemus327]

Stammwuerze wrote...

As snow said. A DW-Warrior with massive armor is not working. You need a ****load of strength to be able to use your skills without a f**** increase at skill costs. So only one way to go: 2h-Warrior.

Darth_Shizz wrote...

ksaf wrote...

topic says it all, really...which one would you recommend?

Bring a mage with haste though, else people might call you gimped.

Yeah, sadly. 2h-Warrior on nightmare is kind of frustrating sometimes. Get ready to grab a beer once a miss displays.
I would highly recommend getting the best gear asap. Meaning, start of with the DLC to grab spoiler and after that go to the magetower to catch granny.

That's a good recommendation for anyone.

[Darth_Shizz]

nicodeemus327 wrote...

Stammwuerze wrote...

As snow said. A DW-Warrior with massive armor is not working. You need a ****load of strength to be able to use your skills without a f**** increase at skill costs. So only one way to go: 2h-Warrior.

Darth_Shizz wrote...

ksaf wrote...

topic says it all, really...which one would you recommend?

Bring a mage with haste though, else people might call you gimped.

Yeah, sadly. 2h-Warrior on nightmare is kind of frustrating sometimes. Get ready to grab a beer once a miss displays.
I would highly recommend getting the best gear asap. Meaning, start of with the DLC to grab spoiler and after that go to the magetower to catch granny.

That's a good recommendation for anyone.

You can give haste to morrigan as well and have them stack, assuming you're feeling particularly vindictive 

[DKJaigen]

dual wield function better in massive armor then 2h as dual wield relies on sustained abilities to do damage. when the stam has dried up its obviously that the dual wield functions way better in heavy armor.



And while 2 h damage is ok it still cant compete with the damage of dual wield warriors. especially if those warriors use enchaments or mage weapon buffs. use dual wield axes lower dps but the AP and better modifier will be better later in the game then swords

[nuculerman]

yeah. I'm a DW warrior and only level 12 and my str is already 40. So the idea that only 2H can wear the best armor is retarded. I'll be level 13 with 36 dex and 40 str and that's the last time I'll need to put points in dex.



The truth is, a 2H warrior would completely wipe against a DW warrior. In fact, a DW warrior could quite easily take out two 2H warriors of the same level in the same armor. There's really no comparison. Anyone that recommends a 2H warrior hasn't played a DW warrior correctly.



My DW warrior doesn't need stamina. He has three AoE attacks that he uses right off the bat when he's surrounded, then he just turns on momentum, berserk, precise striking and perfect striking and auto attacks his way through everything in the game on nightmare.



Anyone recommending 2H is recommending it because they think it's more fun and challenging. Well, it's more challenging because it's a weak class.



2H vs. DW? Wipe

2H vs. sword/shield champion? Wipe

2H vs. Assassin/Bard? Wipe

2H vs. Assassin/Duelist? Wipe

2H vs. Bard/Ranger? Wipe

2H vs. Ranger/Duelist? Wipe

2H vs. Bloodmage/Spirit Healer? Wipe

2H vs. Bloodmage/AW? Wipe

2H vs. ANY MAGE? Wipe

[Sharog]

afaik even archers does more dmg now adays with the dex fix using shortbows than 2h'ders, it is one sad garbage class.

[RamsenC]

If you go 2h get haste on your mage quickly. On top of that you have to use your abilities after your auto attacks to not waste any attack animation time. Otherwise 2h is probably as bad as the above have mentioned.



I would say an optimally played 2h is better than a DW, but I'm still experimenting with the respec mod for now.

[noobiedude]

I've played both dual wield and 2-hander all the way through on nightmare and dual wield is certainly easier. Both are fun however. Indomitable is what's most useful from the 2 hander tree. It helps out a lot against dragons and tons of archers spamming scattershot. If you go 2-hander you need to get Wynne in your party for haste and heroic offense otherwise you'll miss half the time and take forever to swing.

[Inarai]

2h isn't designed as a DPS spec, but your tactical options are far nicer.

[nuculerman]

RamsenC wrote...

If you go 2h get haste on your mage quickly. On top of that you have to use your abilities after your auto attacks to not waste any attack animation time. Otherwise 2h is probably as bad as the above have mentioned.

I would say an optimally played 2h is better than a DW, but I'm still experimenting with the respec mod for now.

I just beat Flemeth on Nightmare with my DW warrior, Wynne and Lelianna at level 13.  No fourth person.  And all Flemeth does is knock back.  My DW warrior was knocked back every other attack.  Yet with regeneration, heroic offense, heroic defense and lifeward, it really didn't matter.  The battle took 5ish minutes.  

So, indomitable is fun and all, but it is hardly the 2H trump card people are making it out to be.  Even fighting the biggest "knock back" boss in the game my DW trio'ed Flemeth on nightmare.  He could have duo'ed Flemeth if I had brought more healing pots.  I only went through 4 or 5 as it was.  If I had brought 10, he and Wynne could have easily taken Flemeth on nightmare.  It just would have taken 12 to 15 minutes.  I'd like to see a 2H do that, even with indomitable.

DW warrior is much easier to play.  True statement.  But that doesn't make 2H better if you're a skilled player.  DA:O is terrible at rewarding skilled players.  If you're a skilled player and you get the animation time down to a science, your 2H warrior would still wipe against a DW warrior.  People might not think DW is fun, but it IS powerful.  It's a lot like BM/AW.  Just run into the middle of a battle, put up your 5 sustained abilities, go have dinner, come back, everything is dead.

Since the question was "DW or 2H for DPS warrior using heavy/massive armor?" the answer is obviously DW.  DW doesn't need stamina.  You can put every single stat into Str and Dex.  Stop Dex at 36 and you'll finish with 55ish Str.  If you don't put points into willpower on a 2H and he's wearing something like Juggernaut with a 45% fatigue rating, you're in big trouble.  A 2H needs his abilities, and thus his stamina.  If you download a stamina potion mod, then MAYBE you could have an argument that 2H is better than DW late in the game.  But that's still a huge maybe.

[throttlesays]

As far as damage output, DW blows 2H out of the water. 2H has the fairly nice advantage of being immune to knockdowns which really comes in handy against certain types of enemies, but that's about it. If you do things right, you can have Starfang and The Veshialle(sp?) by level 12 or so, or Veshialle and Oadh if you didn't get the Warden's Keep, as well as the runes to put in them. My level 15 DW warrior has all grandmaster runes, frost/fire/para in Starfang and frost/fire/lightning in the axe. He hits for some 60+ a swing on most enemies, about twice a second, and he can actually take a beating as opposed to some 2H warrior with base dex and 60 defense. If you get the Warden armor set from Warden's Keep, you barely have to worry about stamina. The only thing my DW warrior can't tank are dragons due to constant knockdowns, and there's too few of them in the game for that to matter.

[Nooneyouknow13]

Dual Wield is ridiculously good. This character is basically a walking blender on nightmare, and magic immune to go with it. I have no idea why people bag on templar so much.

[congokurtz]

As stated above, DW is the clear damage winner. When you are surrounded by five melee enemies and you pop whirlwind+dual weapon sweep and there is no one left standing you will feel like a real badas*. The dex you need in DW will also add to your defense making you much tougher than your 2H counterpart.



2H has its moments. You will certainly look hardcore in massive armor and the meteor sword. It can be a good CC/debuff class if played correctly and paired with the right specialization. But you will have to bring a companion that will compensate for your lower dps. Zevrahn is a good choice since your armor breaking abilites have great synergy with a back stabbing rogue.



You can get through the game just fine with either, but DW does make you feel like a death machine. It's unclear to me which specialization is best for DW. I went with beserker/templar, since I had Alister tanking and gave him champion as his second special, and he gave the party rally. Being able to drop two Holy Smites on a caster was pretty epic.

[brelrande]

Nooneyouknow13 wrote...

Dual Wield is ridiculously good. This character is basically a walking blender on nightmare, and magic immune to go with it. I have no idea why people bag on templar so much.

you've got my attention please elaberate

[Loc'n'lol]

brelrande wrote...

you've got my attention please elaberate

Knight-commander's plate armor gives you 40% spell resistance. Add to this your already quite formidable physical resistance as a warrior and your mental resistance bonus as a templar and if it has a resistance check, chances are you'll save and ignore the effect.

[boozie311]

So could I in theory use a DW warrior as my tank for 90% of the content in the game (on normal)?



Offtopic: along those lines can I use a DW warrior for tank and respec morrigan blood mage/spirit healer and use her as dps/my only healer?

[Invalidcode]

2h miss a lot...? My PC got 91% hit rate around level 17. I only use precise striking against melee type Boss. Nightmare btw. The hit rate should go up since I got Rally myself and Song of Courage from Leliana now.

Modifié par Invalidcode, 04 décembre 2009 - 06:17 .

[Loc'n'lol]

@boozie : you can play without a tank and without a healer. Anything will work.

[nuculerman]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

brelrande wrote...

you've got my attention please elaberate

Knight-commander's plate armor gives you 40% spell resistance. Add to this your already quite formidable physical resistance as a warrior and your mental resistance bonus as a templar and if it has a resistance check, chances are you'll save and ignore the effect.

I'll have to try this now.  I still would guess that champion/beserker/DW is the most broken Warrior class available.  The AoE knockback and buffs are pretty epic.  

I've never really seen the use of a Templar.  For sure if you wanted to try soloing with a warrior templar/beserker might be the better choice, but I have no clue how to solo with a warrior.  I can duo with my dual wielder and I just give whichever mage I bring along mana clash, which is 1,000x more effective at neutralizing mages than Templars are.  At least in my experience, anyhow.  Maybe I just fail at playing Templars though.