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[Auralius Carolus]

DocDoomII wrote...

The ending we got is ****. Sugarcoating it will not change the content.

^^This^^

[Caz Tirin]

Whimper wrote...

 I don't believe that the current endings to the game are so bad they are unacceptable under any circumstances.  As they exist, they are absolutely terrible storytelling.  But sufficient clarity and closure could make a real difference in how well I can swallow what the game's writers have created.

Clarification and closure could mean:

* Giving Shepard a chance to question and investigate his choices before walking the fatal and lonely path
* Showing what happened to EDI and the Geth
* Showing the fate of the Normandy's crew before, during, and after the crash landing
* Showing how severe or manageable the consequences are of the destruction of the mass relays
* Showing that the ending was not a dream, or if it was, selling it better
* Giving some purpose to the awful Stargazer coda

and, the big one,

* Showing the individual and cumulative effects and fates of the War Assets, including how they mattered at all.

If Bioware's DLC offering does the above, then I can accept the star child's sad and silly A/B/C choices and just say the ending "wasn't my cup of tea."

Allowing Shepard to question and investigate would require changing the ending.  It would also be interactive and from what I've gathered, this is cutscene crap only.

The fact that BioWare has been defending the ending as "good" and "artistic", you can logically draw very solid assumptions that whatever they make will be crap.


In fact, I'm even going to go ahead and say it now.  The Extended Cut DLC will leave the community with more questions than it answers.

[Raynulf]

Introducing and attempting to resolve a new core conflict in the last 10 minutes, using 14 lines of dialogue from a new character... is Narrative Fail.

It doesn't need clarification, it needs purging and replacement with the quality of writing Bioware has built it's reputation upon.

As it's free DLC. I'll give it a go. And then decide whether or not it's worth buying any other DLC after.

Or telling my wife about it, who was so hurt by the soul-crushingly dissapointing endings she has basically been trying to pretend the entire "Mass Effect" series never happened.

[UltmtBiz]

My option wasn't there : Gonna wait and see, but not optimistic.

[Caz Tirin]

UltmtBiz wrote...

My option wasn't there : Gonna wait and see, but not optimistic.

Your option still won't be there even with the DLC.  They aren't adding more options, they're just putting a fresh coat of crap-paint on the drying turd.

[Ashilana]

Raynulf wrote...
Or telling my wife about it, who was so hurt by the soul-crushingly dissapointing endings she has basically been trying to pretend the entire "Mass Effect" series never happened.

That is my new goal... just trying to forget the whole thing.

I just have to let go of my anger and stop posting on the forums.   Wish me luck.

[Sn0wst0rm]

Bioware succeeded in sinking their own franchise, whether that was their original intention or not. I am very disappointed with their decision to keep the endings. I am going to pretend that the studio went under after Dragon Age 2, because the idea that Bioware decided to allow this to happen to Mass Effect is too much to bear.

Modifié par Sn0wst0rm, 05 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[justingeneral]

I think I get what they're doing here. They're giving us some bullcrap clarification so that way when we do complain because it wasn't at all what we were asking for, they can say "well we did give something extra, so stop your whining you entitled babies." They're essentially trying to make it impossible for us to argue anymore without seeming "entitled." They're trying to make no one take us seriously any more because if we complain further, we'll just look like a bunch of whiners who didn't get what they wanted. I hate that. I hate how they've essentially checkmated the whole retake movement by giving us something crappy like this. I'm still going to keep fighting for new endings, but... I just don't know. They could have made everyone happy by running with the indoctrination theory, hell i would have paid some serious money for that, I wouldn't have cared if it cost more than $20. But no, this is their endgame, to whack on some cheap and lazy explanation so that we can't argue anymore without seeming like whiners, all in the name of the cop out they've chosen: artistic integrity. Seriously, if I never hear the words entitlement and artistic integrity again in my life, it'll be too soon.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

justingeneral wrote...

I think I get what they're doing here. They're giving us some bullcrap clarification so that way when we do complain because it wasn't at all what we were asking for, they can say "well we did give something extra, so stop your whining you entitled babies." They're essentially trying to make it impossible for us to argue anymore without seeming "entitled." They're trying to make no one take us seriously any more because if we complain further, we'll just look like a bunch of whiners who didn't get what they wanted. I hate that. I hate how they've essentially checkmated the whole retake movement by giving us something crappy like this. I'm still going to keep fighting for new endings, but... I just don't know. They could have made everyone happy by running with the indoctrination theory, hell i would have paid some serious money for that, I wouldn't have cared if it cost more than $20. But no, this is their endgame, to whack on some cheap and lazy explanation so that we can't argue anymore without seeming like whiners, all in the name of the cop out they've chosen: artistic integrity. Seriously, if I never hear the words entitlement and artistic integrity again in my life, it'll be too soon.

This, pretty much what I thought when I first heard the story.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

This one cannot imagine a scenario or explanation which might adequately explain the maligned endings. It respectfully believes that application of additional logic and clarity to an illogical creation cannot succeed.

You are pretty smart for an hanar. I agree.

[kathic]

1) The new ending will provide closer.
2) The new ending will eliminate many plot holes.

With these two facts we need to accept artistic difference. You can still argue that they lied about the choices being important but that's capitalism for you. I would love it if they got rid of the grandfather and child scene too though.

[Cogneter]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

Bioware succeeded in sinking their own franchise, whether that was their original intention or not. I am very disappointed with their decision to keep the endings. I am going to pretend that the studio went under after Dragon Age 2, because the idea that Bioware decided to allow this to happen to Mass Effect is too much to bear.

What bugs me about this whole situation is, if you trust some sources, the ending was made by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters with no input from the rest of BioWare team. So, how come the team came to not only accept, but also take hit for their doing? Casey or Mac publically apologizing and promising to fix their personal mistakes doesn't seem like the option opposed by the whole BioWare team.

[Cogneter]

Son Ov Mars wrote...

No. And it's not just the ****tastic ending that's wrong with the game. There is a hell of a lot more **** wrong with it that NEEDS to be fixed. The biggest problems I had(besides the ending) was the terrible quest management system, How almost every side-quest is a fetch quest, The Auto-dialogues, The lack of any real character development and few interesting characters, Really Really short, And of course, that ..."ending" AND the fact that your choices DON'T matter!

I honestly doubt that any of that will be fix. So no, I don't think it will and I will not bother buying any DLC or playing through it again.

The ME3 DOES have gameplay issues. It is apparently supposed to compensate for it with storytelling, by meeting with familiar faces and getting closure on your previously made choices.

While the "meeting" part went relativly smooth and I enjoyed meeting my squadmates, the "closure" thing was ultimately destroyed in the ending.

The storytellling was supposed to compensate for the gameplay, but, in the end (pun!), it did not.

[CaptainDope]

It's better than nothing...right? But I hope the extended cut is long and significant enough. I don't want a five minute long cutscenes. I need something much more than that.

[Skybree]

voted

[Myrmedus]

It'll have to be some damn good clarification.

[Optimus J]

No, the ending still hijacked by the directors, an away from the team of writers we love so much. It's a sinking ship. Bioware had to delay their DLC plans and profit less, because ONE GUY think he can impose his will over the world. When they resume their normal DLC plans they will not sell.
Baffles me that in such a big company as BEAware just ONE guy that isn't even at the top spot can drag everyone doing his solely will against any and all good sense about how to treat consumer base.

[InMyOwnImage]

It all depends on what they add.

If they add a bunch of cinematics showing our War Assets in action, or a cinematic/conversation with Harbinger talking to you as TIM, or enough aftermath stuff that shows the whole universe isn't boned by the Relay destruction, then it could be enough for me. I still wouldn't like the execution of the ending, but if the consequences and set-up is better, I could live with it.

[EvilMind]

voted

[Serp86]

All i know is that my gut says maybe

Can't vote on this since the option i would vote for doesn't exist. If Clarification is well done it could be enough but  it could also suck like hell.

Modifié par Serp86, 06 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[Cogneter]

Serp86 wrote...

Can't vote on this since the option i would vote for doesn't exist. If Clarification is well done it could be enough but  it could also suck like hell.

The poll implies their "clarification" is superb. Like, they will add lots of very nice scenes right around (mostly after) that part where you are forced to choose from three colours by a godkid.

If they only do "clarification" AND they do it bad, it will quite obviously suck.

[Cogneter]

Here goes another bump.

I have to say, the results look somewhat expectable.

[DrDetective]

I am literally angry with rage.

[DrDetective]

...bump.