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[Hexxys]

Change it or don't bother with it at ALL, Bioware.

[Damien Nightwind]

dorky24 wrote...

I'll have to reserve judgement on the DLC contents. It will be extremely tough for them to be able to properly explain the ending in a way that actually makes sense.

Why reserve judgement for that? They have already made it quite clear that they would not be changing the endings or adding new ones. Just filling in a few holes in the existing ones. Most people couldnt stand the original endings so why would they be happy with this? Thats like someone who cant stand their house but instead of moving to a new house they put some paint on their existing one.

[toolfan9284]

82% HeII yea, the 80% rule is still intact.

[Cogneter]

toolfan9284 wrote...

82% HeII yea, the 80% rule is still intact.

I believe it was 90% at first, giving us 10% of conformists.

Also, lol at 1%.

Modifié par Cogneter, 07 avril 2012 - 08:55 .

[Cogneter]

So, according to PAX, they still intent on leaving the ending intact.

Seriously, how long will it take them to realise what needs to be done?

[AnuzaGray]

Bump for more votes.

[chris fenton]

Bump. EA and Bioware seem to have crushed us.

[Cogneter]

chris fenton wrote...

EA and Bioware seem to have crushed us.

Nope.

Also, here's a nice quote from PAX Q/A section:

Q: Ending DLC. More cut-scenes, or additional gameplay?
A: currently planning on extended cinematics but cannot currently comment otherwise. "keep giving us your feedback."

See that "currently" word? I think they DO realise that they can't just slap few extra scenes and call it a day.

If you make an ending that only 1% of your audience likes, you don't EXTEND it, you FIX it.

[Cogneter]

Here's another bump. 2.2k votes so far.

[reeot]

What are they doing? Bioware, give us information.

Personally i won't wait until the DLC is released only to see that the worst case just happened.

[Grumpy-Mcfart]

not even a little bit.

[CDHarrisUSF]

Hexxys wrote...

Change it or don't bother with it at ALL, Bioware.

+1

[Namz89]

An extended ending is not enough to fix the mess they brought upon themselves. We are not holding the line to see wrongs justified.
What is Bioware doing with all the feedback?

[Ksandor]

Bioware won't change the ending for 2 reasons:

1) Changing the ending will cost money. They would be forced to sell it. People would protest. Extended cut is cost effective so it is for free. Besides they need that crappy ending to destroy Mass Effect universe for a future MMORPG campaign setting. Building on an existing setting is expensive. Starting from scratch with no old voice actors to pay is cheaper.

2) If fans start to dictate companies to change their crap endings said companies will be enslaved to customers. Because fans want quality games. Companies go for crappy games because they are cheaper to develop. Companies want to enslave customers to them. This would be bad for companies because in future they would be forced to create quality games despite the cost efficiency concerns. They want to make crap games because they are easier to develop and they want to sell crap games so they can profit more.

At any rate if they say money talks then I say this. I won't buy any Bioware games in future. Since many people think like me EA will suffer. I don't care. I can always wait for another company.

My simplistic sentences are intended as a pun for simpletons who think game play is more important than story and good marketing will always sell bad games.

[Cogneter]

Ksandor wrote...

Bioware won't change the ending for 2 reasons:

1) Changing the ending will cost money. They would be forced to sell it. People would protest. Extended cut is cost effective so it is for free. Besides they need that crappy ending to destroy Mass Effect universe for a future MMORPG campaign setting. Building on an existing setting is expensive. Starting from scratch with no old voice actors to pay is cheaper.

2) If fans start to dictate companies to change their crap endings said companies will be enslaved to customers. Because fans want quality games. Companies go for crappy games because they are cheaper to develop. Companies want to enslave customers to them. This would be bad for companies because in future they would be forced to create quality games despite the cost efficiency concerns. They want to make crap games because they are easier to develop and they want to sell crap games so they can profit more.

At any rate if they say money talks then I say this. I won't buy any Bioware games in future. Since many people think like me EA will suffer. I don't care. I can always wait for another company.

My simplistic sentences are intended as a pun for simpletons who think game play is more important than story and good marketing will always sell bad games.

1) That is obvious. Note how many people agree to PAYING for a "Fixed Ending" DLC rather that get a "Extended Ending" DLC for FREE. It is not because they have been fooled into buying content which should have been in the game in the first place, but rather because they realise that BioWare MADE A MISTAKE and they, being devoted fans who wish a sensible ending for their favourite series, are willing to financially assist BW with fixing it.

Also, any attempt to make ANY ("Mass Shift" anyone?) ME-related series based on the current ending will be a financial fiasco - that much is obvious for everyone, BW hopefully included.


2) This is not about dictating the whole games. Yes, there are numerous issues with the game, like Diana Allers and Tali's face. But nobody starts petitions to have those fixed. Why? Because the game, as well as its two prequels, were OVERALL BRILLIANT. But the ending, that 1% of ME3, is so horrible that 80-90% of ME fans hate it with passion. ME3 is not a crap game, but BW really dropped the ball with its ending and they have to admit it.

If, however, by "dictating" you mean that game companies will spend more time focus-testing and less time releasing a nonsensical content much to public outcry - then I'm all for it.


And I, as well as many others, are with you on boycotting any further EA games for as long as the current ME3 ending stands. Which is yet another reason for BioWare to JUST REALISE THEIR OBVIOUS MISTAKE AND FIX IT.

Modifié par Cogneter, 09 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[Greeneye-s]

Clarifications will hopefully remove the plotholes. And the press statement says they're going to make the endings more personal, so the epilogue/added scenes will show the effects of your choices. So I'm happy.

I'm surprised that people are still fighting for a completely redone ending. Bioware has made their official statement and it's not going to suddenly change.

My advice is to give them feedback as to what you would like to see in the extended cut, rather than flogging a dead horse.

[SwitchN7]

So bored with this.The only thing i would enjoy is to watch the game die and the franchise buried deep deep just slightly above EA. *Spit*

Modifié par SwitchN7, 09 avril 2012 - 09:54 .

[Cogneter]

Greeneye-s wrote...

Clarifications will hopefully remove the plotholes. And the press statement says they're going to make the endings more personal, so the epilogue/added scenes will show the effects of your choices. So I'm happy.

I'm surprised that people are still fighting for a completely redone ending. Bioware has made their official statement and it's not going to suddenly change.

My advice is to give them feedback as to what you would like to see in the extended cut, rather than flogging a dead horse.

They didn't intend to release the "Extended Cut" either. That was thanks to fans, who brought the issue to BW's attention.

Now, we need to make them aware that extending the current ending is not going to help. The most major plothole is the starkid and pretty much everything he says. So BW needs to do no less than to remove him completely and then we can all go on happily with our lives.

[res27772]

Cogneter wrote...

http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/

It has been announced today that BioWare will be releasing a free Extended Cut DLC which, according to their FAQ, will add extra scenes, but will not change the current ending.

The response has been mixed, with some celebrating victory, while others insist that this DLC does not fix the multitude of issues with the current ending.

What's your opinion on this? Please vote in the poll and comment here.



I, personally, think that they have missed the point completely. The ending is a problem, which does not need a clarification, but rather needs fixing. I thank you, BioWare, for making steps toward redemption, but you have to understand, that this DLC will not help. Please look into the problems with the ending listed multiple times and address them directly.

Options aren't varied enough to vote, so my opinion...

IMO, extended scene are good enough ONLY if it gives enough clarification and explains the various plot holes... One of the most important things I want explained is "Ghostkid", what it is and why it's ultimately behind everything, or so it seems... and why since it's part of the Citadel, it allowed all the events ON the Citadel from ME1 & ME3 to happen, when it could've just opened the Citadel relay itself.

Hmmm, then again, considering how many plot holes and inconsistancies they're going to have to explain/fill, no I doubt it will be enough actually.

[Greeneye-s]

Cogneter wrote...

Greeneye-s wrote...

Clarifications will hopefully remove the plotholes. And the press statement says they're going to make the endings more personal, so the epilogue/added scenes will show the effects of your choices. So I'm happy.

I'm surprised that people are still fighting for a completely redone ending. Bioware has made their official statement and it's not going to suddenly change.

My advice is to give them feedback as to what you would like to see in the extended cut, rather than flogging a dead horse.

They didn't intend to release the "Extended Cut" either. That was thanks to fans, who brought the issue to BW's attention.

Now, we need to make them aware that extending the current ending is not going to help. The most major plothole is the starkid and pretty much everything he says. So BW needs to do no less than to remove him completely and then we can all go on happily with our lives.

Yes the starchild makes no sense but did you ever really care about the reapers movitation? I didn't. For me it was about stopping them with my team. I would have been very happy if there was no explaination for the reapers at all. So personally I'm not too fussed about the terrible logic, although I wouldn't be sad to see starchild gone! 

The parts which annoyed me was the lack of closure/clarity especially the whole Normandy ordeal. If that is explained and I see the effects of my choices I'll be happy.

[Grissmin]

Voted.

[OldSwede]

I wouldn't want just some video. I would love more gameplay, and to be able to create my (different) Shepard's ending, but they cannot (for obvious reasons) change the endings that are already on the discs...so, I felt it was kind of hard to vote.

I have so many other issues with ME3 that I'm disappointed in, so I really didn't think it was a very good game all-in-all (compared to ME1 and ME2) with a few exceptions of course.

Actually, I think I'd rather have a Mass Effect 4  (it's hard for me to find games that I like -- Mass Effect really surprised me, in a very nice way - until ME3)

BUT, I am definitely not the "ordinary gamer". I am a 46 y/o woman, who aren't too familiar with that many games of this era 

Modifié par OldSwede, 09 avril 2012 - 10:13 .

[ed87]

Bioware calls the majority of these polls 'some' of their fans

[Cogneter]

Greeneye-s wrote...

did you ever really care about the reapers movitation? I didn't. For me it was about stopping them with my team. I would have been very happy if there was no explaination for the reapers at all. So personally I'm not too fussed about the terrible logic, although I wouldn't be sad to see starchild gone! 

Same here. The problem is, they DID try to explain the Reaper motivation, though just a couple games back we were "fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding". Making the Reapers domestic pets of a shackled AI ruins the universe more than the destruction of mass relays.

[reeot]

Greeneye-s wrote...

Yes the starchild makes no sense but did you ever really care about the reapers movitation? I didn't. For me it was about stopping them with my team. I would have been very happy if there was no explaination for the reapers at all. So personally I'm not too fussed about the terrible logic, although I wouldn't be sad to see starchild gone!

I Approve. Do it right or don't do it at all.
This applies to the Reapers motivations and also to Talis face.

In both cases Bioware failed horribly.