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[The Angry One]

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

[Bantz]

i still don't get how they can use the artistic integrity crap when they took stuff off the internet and photoshopped it for their game.

[BARRAGE 74]

Only one thing left to do... Vote with your wallet.

[Deventh]

Glad to have you here Angry One. And i agree with everything you said.

[Phange2001]

The Commander Shepard from ME1 and ME2 would have told Starchild to shove it.

[cotheer]

Well said.

[Ender99]

It's good to hear from you Angry One. You're very good at putting what many of us are thinking into words.

[Noatz]

Many of the replies have been laughable however. Accusing BioWare of pissing on their fans and similar flagrant hyperbole.

I agree that this isn't a victory for Retake, but neither is it a defeat. Its a stalemate; a compromise. And it was always going to be this, from day one. I expect most of the grounded part of the movement realised the same thing.

It didn't help the movement that hardly any two people within it could agree on exactly what they wanted from the ending. There were attempts to forge a unified message but from what I saw they came to nothing.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Well their goes my support for Bioware.

[stargatefan1990]

Phange2001 wrote...

The Commander Shepard from ME1 and ME2 would have told Starchild to shove it.

and from most of ME3

[blitzing bear]

This thread says it all

[Catroi]

I was expecting this from you =)

[Old Books]

The artistic integrity defence is really starting to grate with me, mainly because it is utterly false. People say it is unprecedented that an artist has changed their vision in this way...no it isn't, it happens, for example, with movies all the time. That's what test screenings are and I guaran-dam-tee that if Bioware had done something similar, the ending would have been laughed out of the building. Not only that, whenever anyone says the ending can't be changed, Blade Runner pops into my head everytime.

[Jackal7713]

Great post angry one.

[JPR1964]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Phange2001 wrote...

The Commander Shepard from ME1 and ME2 would have told Starchild to shove it.

and from most of ME3

Well said Angry One!

Well I found the ME3 Shepard very soft on his/her knees...

JPR out!

[NICKjnp]

I agree completely with the OP. at least I still have Bethesda.

[BWGungan]

I wouldn't even care if the ending was just plain disappointing, if it hadn't completely torched the universe fans loved in the process.

[Maike91]

Deventh wrote...

Glad to have you here Angry One. And i agree with everything you said.

[dannii2]

I'm honestly not sure what to make of this. No, it's not really what I wanted at all. I suspect that the line will be whittled down, losing those that will be happy with 'more clarification' on the existing end. I'm happy for them but I'm with The Angry One on all the points.
At the moment I will remain bitterly disapointed with the whole thing.

x

[dfstone]

I'm sure you will all survive despite the fact that the ending to your favorite video game wasn't that great. Somehow you'll pick up the pieces of your shattered lives and move on.

[Iwillbeback]

Bantz wrote...

i still don't get how they can use the artistic integrity crap when they took stuff off the internet and photoshopped it for their game.

Me neither.

[aliengmr1]

We may not have won but we didn't lose either. That is fact. I'm upset but I am going to vote with my wallet. I won't let them turn us into the bad guys. Raging will do nothing.

We didn't lose TAO and you know it. Without us nothing would have happened.

[stargatefan1990]

Noatz wrote...

Many of the replies have been laughable however. Accusing BioWare of pissing on their fans and similar flagrant hyperbole.

I agree that this isn't a victory for Retake, but neither is it a defeat. Its a stalemate; a compromise. And it was always going to be this, from day one. I expect most of the grounded part of the movement realised the same thing.

It didn't help the movement that hardly any two people within it could agree on exactly what they wanted from the ending. There were attempts to forge a unified message but from what I saw they came to nothing.

i always expected a compromise like this the word "Clarification" could mean a lot of this its there Blog about the DLC that annoys me more lol

[JohnnyG]

BARRAGE 74 wrote...

Only one thing left to do... Vote with your wallet.

I plan to.  It's really sad.  Over the years I have purchased the following from BioWare...

Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal
Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening
Dragon Age: Origins - Leliana's Song DLC
Dragon Age: Origins - The Golems of Amgarrak DLC
Dragon Age: Origins - Witch Hunt DLC
Dragon Age II
Mass Effect
Mass Effect - Bring Down the Sky DLC
Mass Effect 2 (the one that already came with a lot of the DLC)
Mass Effect 2 - Arrival DLC
Mass Effect 2 - Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC
Mass Effect 3 Pre-Order
Neverwinter Nights
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Unfortunately, ME3 will be the last dime I spend on the company (or EA) after this debacle.

[Exeider]

@OP, agreed.

people saying that we "won" obviously don't see it, its a strawman, we say we hate the ending and want it changed or at least add more endings to choose from.

they are saying, "no the endings stay the same but we are adding explinations as to WHY they are the way they are."

as if we don't understand the implications of it. and Illogic of it, considering even during the SAME EXACT GAME, points and plots were made that disprove Starchild's logic.

SO they are going to explain it to us like we are 5 year olds,
"See timmy, this is why 1+1=3" - EA/Bioware
"No, it doesn't it equals 2." - Timmy
"Accept it!! Its 3 ACCEPT IT!!!!!!!!" - EA/Bioware

-Æ

Modifié par Exeider, 06 avril 2012 - 01:59 .