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[therookie2552]

very well put.

[cavs25]

Hmm only if we could actually talk to the writing team directly and see their reactions when asked about all the issues

[Seifer006]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

you said it well.

not sure where to go from here with Bioware.

I like to see a prequel with the Krogan Rebellons or First Contact War but....seeing how they're going to "handle this ending with a DLC" clarification............makes me want to stop being a Bioware fan.


maybe Bioware wants new fans and get rid of "the old ones" since we have different views and perspectives

Modifié par Seifer006, 05 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[KadivyaSky]

My initial perception of this stunt Bioware is pulling is that they have determined that their customers are too stupid to figure out the meaning of the ending so they have to spell it out. That's insulting. They're essentially saying "Hey stupid, we'll sit down and hold your hand and explain the ending for you using small words so you can understand." That was my initial impression.

Now my impression pretty much stands that this is a PR stall tactic to keep their ME3 discussion at PAX from becoming filled with questions about the ending. Now they can say they released information and don't have to discuss it at all. Tricky. Cold. Rude. Ruthless. That's my impression now.

Hold the line folks. This is far from over. Stay vocal. Keep it civil, but keep it going.

[webhead921]

So poetry much nobody here is willing to reserve judgment until the content is released? Sad.

[Bob3terd]

webhead921 wrote...

So poetry much nobody here is willing to reserve judgment until the content is released? Sad.

I am but the from what bioware have stated it does not meet what people where expecting and i dont begrudge them that

[JELLAQTP]

They really believe that this is a deep ending that we can´t understand.
They really believe it is good.
But if you take a look at the last projects they had, they are just loosing their magic. This response was predictable. They just can´t change it or clarify it on a good way. Not because they don´t want. It´s because they can´t and got no idea how to do it.

[Sir_Alric]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

^ This

[Zuka999]

I'm done with BioWare. They can live with their choices when they're the butt of every joke in gaming.

[MustacheManatee]

Totally agree with you Angry One. . . But then I usually do. Good post.

[MysteriousMass]

Bioware have continuely said "We are listening" throughout the ME3 ending saga, todays announcement is the final confirmation I needed to know they have not been listening. The only interaction I will have with this DLC is watching it on youtube.

[sindrie111]

Guess I won't be buying the next dragon age

[Doc Trisera]

Just...damn... Well I'm certain Bethesda and Valve would be more than happy to take our money.

[clos]

Bravo, Angry One, Bravo!

[lothvamp]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

I agree completely

[JeronimoLex]

i was afraid about this moment. The PAX announcement is bull****. Ok, Bioware, you disapointed me AGAIN.
this is what i think about their "Ending" decission: http://masseffect4in....wordpress.com/

Modifié par JeronimoLex, 05 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Myrmedus]

MintyCool wrote...

Lend your voice by Thanking EA and Bioware by giving up what we want: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037569

Stick it up your ass.

[Doc Trisera]

Myrmedus wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lend your voice by Thanking EA and Bioware by giving up what we want: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037569

Stick it up your ass.

Minty is a notorious troll don't bother replying.

[ahandsomeshark]

BARRAGE 74 wrote...

Only one thing left to do... Vote with your wallet.

[legion999]

Bantz wrote...

i still don't get how they can use the artistic integrity crap when they took stuff off the internet and photoshopped it for their game.

Add in the similarities between Deus Ex and a cetain song. Plagiarism has no integrity.

And I agree with The Angry One.

[Resheph_606]

I agree wholeheartly OP.

[QuarkZ26]

I really, REALLY, hope that people will vote with their wallet and that Bioware will regret what they did since all that started.
It makes me sick to my stomach to have been lied to after i bought the CE...

This is the last product i buy from Bioware. F U B!

[chevyguy87]

I always had a sneaking suspicion that this was going to happen, but its just painful to see a company that I once revered as story writing geniuses are literally burning down every bridge they ever built and doing so spectacularly without regard for long term repercussions.

[xScarecrowX]

It's too bad...I loved Dragon Age and Mass Effect...Let's just pray Bioware manages to do something right...

[Johcande XX]

Hmm, well I can't say I didn't see this coming. I agree that a "ME3 ending for dummies" epilogue is not going to fix what was the premiere sci-fi trilogy of this generation.

So I stand by my original sentiment; I'll be present on the forums for support of a *new* ending, I'll even download whatever rush job that they put out this summer, but I'm done with BioWare and even more so with EA.