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[D_Dude1210]

Then what are you doing here? What do you hopemto achieve? What are you trying to prevent?

[MoonsKisu]

BARRAGE 74 wrote...

Only one thing left to do... Vote with your wallet.

QFT

[Mack0438]

/sign

[Johanna]

My persistent hope is that the whole writing team* can somehow, some way, make the craptacular endings work.  I don't know how they'll do it, but if anyone can pull it off, it's them.  I don't believe in the capabilities of Mac and Casey, not at this point.  But I do believe that the rest of the team can pull this out of the wreckage. 

Thanks for the post, TAO.  I always enjoy reading your point of view.


* I hope this is enough emphasis for anyone reading at BioWare.

[Johanna]

Catroi wrote...

by the way have you noticed how there is a FREAKING LOT of people who just arrived on the forum to praise the ending and bioware and to troll us?
I had never seen them before though...

Weird, isn't it?  I noticed it too.
But to be fair, I joined this forum late and even then, I rarely participated until recently.
Still, it's quite a flood...

I'm tired of deception, creative marketing, social engineering... Honesty is so much easier.

Modifié par pants witch, 06 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Merchant2006]

Bantz wrote...

i still don't get how they can use the artistic integrity crap when they took stuff off the internet and photoshopped it for their game.

ARTISTIC INTEGRITY! LOL GOOGLE

[justlogme]

BARRAGE 74 wrote...

Only one thing left to do... Vote with your wallet.

This ^^

[jimbo32]

Good post, TAO. You hit the nail on the head.

This most definitely isn't what we were asking for, and I'm sure that many of us would say that they needn't have bothered with "clarification". I said so after Dr Ray's blog post. If this is what they had in mind, they might as well have just told us that they have no intention of changing anything. But they couldn't just come out and say that, could they?

In my opinion, what they're doing isn't "fan service" at all - it's PR misdirection to make the unhappy people look like fools when the on-the-fence media begin their inevitable turn towards presenting "Extended Cut" as a complete victory for gamers. I noticed that Paul Wassisname from Forbes is already doing exactly that, and he seemed to be one of the few media people who took the time to examine the issue. Like someone else said in another thread, EA have played us all like a fiddle.

[Nassegris]

Chrillze wrote...
I am not trolling

Actually, I just realised that you must be. I'm sorry people for replying to him repeatedly - I'll just leave him raving from now on.

[D_Dude1210]

Just to add: EA/Bioware doesn't believe thst any considerable amount of boycott would last and they geel that any boycott that would last wouldn't affect their sales in the least.

With how easily they managed to crack the resolve of even the "speakee" for the RME3 movement, I believe them. They've won. Tsk.

[D_Dude1210]

Geel = feel. Speakee = speaker. Stupid Ipad.

[Joccaren]

A basic interpretation of my views on the subject. I would slightly edit some things, and add a couple more things in, but I'm not in the mood for writing a paragraph when what you've written is close enough.

[Ninjatroll]

There are many problems with the current ending.
* Shepards surrender to starchilds logic.
* The whole point was to save the galaxy, but with the destroyed relays basicly everything in the galaxy is doomed.
* Speaking of relays, they should destory all major solar systems when they blew up.
* Normandy and Joker...
* Our choises do not matter at all in the end (apart from the minor thing that we need a set number EMS)
* And so on....

A few of them could be salvaged with this. My first guess would be something like DA:O when we get to know what impact our choises had on the world. And that is nice and all, But that does not solve the major plot holes that most people are upset about. Unless they have a very good explanation for the relays, normandy and shepards charachter, this will only be a new layer of paint to hide the hole in the wall...

Modifié par Ninjatroll, 06 avril 2012 - 12:05 .

[Timmeh7]

All this artistic integrity stuff is nonsense anyway.  Those with considerably more integrity have changed their stories based on fan reaction over the years. 

To cite a historical example, one of the greatest, if not the greatest detective story ever written, Sherlock Holmes, the original stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.  These stories were critically acclaimed when they were written in the 1800s and continue to be popular to this day.  I'm sure most people already know this, but what you not be aware of is that Conan Doyle actually killed off Sherlock Holmes in The Final Problem to concentrate on other work.  Fan pressure was so great, however that a few years later he wrote a new story set before Holmes death.  The fans still weren't satisfied with the outcome of this series and character they had connected with so substantially and Conan Doyle ultimately redacted the ending, resurrecting Holmes a few years later.

I'm sure this'll sound familiar to many of you, in fact the mirroring in the two situations is incredible.  The point is that I think inarguably Conan Doyle had artistic integrity, he's one of the most critically aclaimed authors of all time.  If he's willing to change what was supposed to be the ending to his series because the fans who loved it weren't satisfied it's safe to say that BioWare really don't have much of a leg to stand on in that respect.

All this said, I sincerely believe they're hiding behind their "artistic integrity" because they simply don't want to change it; probably because it'll cost them a fair amount of money to do.  So be it, we'll just all be a lot more careful before buying BioWare products in the future.  I know for sure that I used to buy BioWare games as pre-releases without a second thought because they were historically of such good quality.  Given Dragon Age 2 and now Mass Effect 3, I'll be firmly waiting for the reviews in future, especially user reviews (let's face it, "game critics" for magazines and the like would need a LOT of bottle to trash a game with a massive following based on its ending; they don't review on personal opinion, they take their best guess at whether the public will like it.  This time they failed).

[Aethyl]

So yeah, it seems it will only be a clarification of the actual endings.

As a fan, of course I was hoping more, because for me too this ending just felt so wrong, in total contradiction with everything we accomplished before.

However, and despite we like it or not, this sucky ending is here, and changing it wouldn't be the solution.
The crucible/god child is canon now, even if we don't want it.

Don't get me wrong, I still think they totally failed with this ending, and I still don't understand what they were thinking in the first place.

But I have to admit that I still hope they actually understand that, and that those "clarifications" they are making are actually more than simple explanations, I even heard some rumors of the reunification of Shepard and his crew.

Who knows? Maybe Bioware will not fail twice in a row, and will actually give us the ending that THIS WHOLE TRILOGY deserve.

I want to see the fight of every race to save their galaxy, I want another way to stop the reapers, without sacrifying all synthetic species or doing some wicked mixing of organics and synthetics, I want to see the normandy crew fighting, not leaving shepard to die like that, because they never did it before and wouldn't do it for the final battle.

So yeah, maybe I am hoping too much, but I still want to believe in it.

Last chance for bioware to finish Mass Effect as they should have done it before so... Let's wait.

(I am even beginning to believe sometimes that all this was the plan of Bioware since they released the game. Without enough time to properly finish it, they left us with this plot holed ending to let us speculating while still working on it, and trolling us in the same time. After all... HOW could have they failed this bad with the ending of their 3 games saga which was actually epic in every ways.)

Modifié par Aethyl, 06 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[FlyinElk212]

I love how you've become a figurehead for Bioware Fan's discontent, Angry One. I remember the old days on the forum when you were "that user w/ the hot red-eyed Renegade Femshep". Now you lead us.

Well written, concise, and to the point. Can't say I disagree with you.

[Divitiacus]

Yeah, as I expected we're being talked at and not talked to. I was told I was being outrageous, well maybe I wasn't angry enough because I apparently got through to nobody. We, the fans, are a big part of the problem because we could not centralize around an obvious single complaint, but part of the reason for that is because there was so much wrong with the end. Therefore, Bioware addresses one thing that was wrong, but misses the bigger picture, but they had a smorgasbord of complaints to choose from and then say "We're addressing it!" I predicted this a while ago.

Any time you fracture it becomes this way, a person latches onto the easiest way out naturally, it's human nature, particularly if the ego is on the line.

Modifié par Divitiacus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[Bone3ater]

Good post TAO.

Wasn't expecting something else from BioWare tbh. A new ending was highly unrealistic, but still, I hoped for one.

Guess we all just have to accept the road BioWare took and decide if we still want to follow it ourselves.

I don't really want to anymore, because ME3 was a huge dissapointment for me.

That said, your right, we didn't "win", and quite frankly, I don't think we ever will.