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[WE_Belisarius]

Thank you Angry.
Post like this keep me to stay at this board.

[Bob the Elcor]

With sadness, ME1 was the first BW game I ever played, and I was planning to buy quite a few of thier other games, both past and future, and I was willing to forgive them for ME3 ending and plotholes, with underlining anger, but now that they basicly said that the only reason we don't like the endings is that we are to stupid to understand them I just feel that it is pointless. With depression, I would also like to say I have never been disappointed with the ending of a game before ME3, or any part other than.

[Kismet]

The Angry One wrote...

Well, to clarify. (The Angry One Extended Cut)

When I say "we lose", I regarded this whole thing as a fight to save BioWare.
I don't want to lose BioWare, they made games I truly loved, and one of the few companies who actually acknowledge that female gamers exist.
If this continues, then I can't support BioWare anymore, and in that regard... I have lost.

Big fat ditto!

[DevilBeast]

frylock23 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Their product, their decisions.

Our money, our decisions.

Yes, the decision to not buy any of their products.

And you better hope we are the minority; otherwise, there won't be product for anyone.

Well, at least I´m not the one who is selling the skin before the bear is even caught.

[Ashilana]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

After DA2 and now ME3, Bioware doesn't make games that I like to play anymore. I was in denial about the direction they are going, but I can accept the facts now. I'm not their target audience or demographic anymore - the gamer invested in RPG gameplay, stories and characters.

I think you have an excellent point.  They are not making the same type of products anymore.  Those who loved the stories and characters that were made by Bioware in the past...just have trouble letting go of what is lost.

[webhead921]

Repost due to FTL threads:


"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"---> I don't think re-takers got what they wanted, and they should continue to voice complaints about what is on the disc and about what they would like to see in the future. Still, totally dismissing the free DLC before actually seeing any of the content is just being overly pessimistic. The fact of the matter is, you don't know exactly what it is going to be. I think it's reasonable to continue to voice your complaints about what is already on the disc, and to wait and see what bioware gives us. I'm not saying "you got what you wanted." Clearly you didn't. But Bioware could have just done nothing, and instead they are trying to explain something. The new ending might not be perfect, but who knows? It might be significantly better.

]"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"---> I've never bought the whole "artistic vision" argument. But I think that Bioware has a right to leave their endings as is if they are proud of their own work. If you don't like it, you should tell them and if they continue to disappoint you, stop buying their products. I used to love weezer. Now I think they suck. I don't demand that they change their albums to suit my tastes, I just don't buy them anymore. I don't think their recent albums have "artistic integrity," but they can do whatever the hell they want. I still listen to their debut album and Pinkerton, but other than that I don't care. It sucks, but if you don't like something just don't buy it. It has nothing to do with "artistic vision."


"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."--> Regardless of whether or not you think the endings were good, I think clarification could improve the endings. Your squad suddenly appeared on the normandy and joker ran away. There is no explanation for this, and it sucks. If they came up with an adequate explanation for this, it would significantly improve the ending. A lot of people complain about the inconsistency with arrival. If Bioware adequately explained why the crucible destroyed the relays without wiping out systems, it would improve the ending. Some people complain that there is no closure. An added epilogue could address this concern.


"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"-->It takes a lot of time to make video game content, yet people were demanding that bioware address the ending problem soon. If you expected totally different endings, you should expect to wait a long time. Also, as I said earlier, Bioware should not have to scrap their ending if they are legitimately pleased with it. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.


"Stop complaining. It's free!"-->I agree that this is a non-argument. But there are posters on the forum who say that "Bioware will not be getting any of my money grr grr" and my response to them is: you can see what Bioware is attempting to do without giving them any more of your money. And if you see the new ending and still don't like it, feel free to complain and criticize. I would encourage it.


"Retakers have won, shut up already."-->Retakers have not won, but at least this is a step in the right direction? Bioware could have just done nothing. Or they could have released paid DLC that had nothing but cutscenes (some posters here have already indicated that they would have bought that). At least there's an attmept to fix some of the problems?

By all means keep holding the line if you feel that's what you gotta do, but some of the violent reaction here is utterly ridiculous (i'm not referring to you, OP. I'm just talking about some of the stuff I've seen here today generally speaking).

[Zarathustra666]

Well said.

[Baronesa]

Ashilana wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

After DA2 and now ME3, Bioware doesn't make games that I like to play anymore. I was in denial about the direction they are going, but I can accept the facts now. I'm not their target audience or demographic anymore - the gamer invested in RPG gameplay, stories and characters.

I think you have an excellent point.  They are not making the same type of products anymore.  Those who loved the stories and characters that were made by Bioware in the past...just have trouble letting go of what is lost.

Just as an exercise.. restart ME... the sense of wonder... the tones of epicness... so contrary to the nihilism shown on the endings...

The classic KOTOR... the wonderful Jade Empire...  The epic Dragon Age...

And then look at the watered down version we have now... Story??? who cares... what sells is fast paced actionand graphics.

No wonder GoG.com is getting a lot of my money lately...

[Kyrick]

Bantz wrote...

i still don't get how they can use the artistic integrity crap when they took stuff off the internet and photoshopped it for their game.

Essentially.  The whole 'artistic' rubbish is simply deflection aimed at stopping criticism.  It's an easy out for the developers to hop on to justify why they're refusing to do the ending properly.  It's actually staggering, because the magnitude of the arrogance and ignorance of Hudson and Walters to believe that their ending is at all following narrative mechanics is astounding.

Just goes to show though; we've thousands of years of literary tradition and refinement to fall back on and hacks like Walters can still find work producing substandard narrative and then claim that failure is in fact success and it is so because it's 'art'.

[Ashilana]

Kyrick wrote...
Essentially.  The whole 'artistic' rubbish is simply deflection aimed at stopping criticism. 

Hopefully EA will suffer economically enough that their PR won't be remembered as a victory.

[Eyeshield21]

The Angry One wrote...

Well, to clarify. (The Angry One Extended Cut)

When I say "we lose", I regarded this whole thing as a fight to save BioWare.
I don't want to lose BioWare, they made games I truly loved, and one of the few companies who actually acknowledge that female gamers exist.
If this continues, then I can't support BioWare anymore, and in that regard... I have lost.

not just you, we all lost. Bioware said they will do the extended cut making sure it has balance to bring closure and to "preserve their artistic integrity."
Bioware.....heh, you disappoint me.

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 05 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[sagouro]

Great post by OP.

And i know people have said it already, but yeah cant stress this enough, vote with your wallet.
Personally i started today, Swtor subscription cancelled.

[Tobey2011]

Its not THEIR artistic integrity they're defending, they're defending the one of DEUS EX TROLOLOLOL.

[I am Sovereign]

Angry One, you have in only a few paragraphs voiced exactly why I am so dissapointed. Well done.

[Avissel]

I still find the most insulting thing about this "clarified and personalized ending" is that it wasn't in the game from the start.

[JnEricsonx]

Shin Yodama wrote...

Well said OP.

I fail to see how they can say "artistic vision" when the ending was blatantly stolen from another game. I believe that is known as plagiarism.

Well, bye bye Bioware. Hello Wasteland 2.

Wasteland 2, HELL YES.  God I'm old, 1988 RESPECT! 

[Myrmedus]

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"

I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

This.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 05 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Yougottawanna]

I agree with like 98% of what the OP said

[TheOptimist]

I think we should see what happens with this. The worst that happens is that the extended cut fixes nothing and we're still here, holding the line. I agree I'd be loathe to pay for this 'clarification', but since I won't be, I'll continue to hope it provides the fix needed. I admit that's gonna be a tough climb, though.

[arthurhallam]

oh god, stop crying & grow up

[Kulthar Drax]

I couldn't agree more with your post, Angry One

The Angry One wrote...

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

Meh, I just wanted to add that Joker would completely ignore any such order to retreat given anyway especially given the stakes, and for him to do otherwise is completely breaking his character.

[emmefftee]

Avissel wrote...

I still find the most insulting thing about this "clarified and personalized ending" is that it wasn't in the game from the start.

Agreed.  and why did BW say we'd want to keep our ME3 game saves.  For clarification endings?  um, ok.

[Catroi]

arthurhallam wrote...

oh god, stop crying & grow up

Who needs to grow up? the one who calmly explains his argument or the one who cannot support to see anyone with a different opinion?

[Bigdoser]

I agree. I keep casey quote in my sig to remind myself of the lies told.

[Koobarex]

Damn you, Angry One, why do you always have to have so much sense.

...

Also, I'm naming one of my kids The Angry One, to hell with this.

Modifié par Koobarex, 05 avril 2012 - 07:33 .