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[darkshadow136]

This is just a cop-out let's polish up our already Deus EX cookie cutter ending, claim it is for artistic purposes even though the ending is just plain 90% plagiarism. They do company PR damage control, and even though common sense would say that this is just a low cost PR stunt.

Most will call us that decent and boycott Bioware entitled and whiners again, even though it is clear by there announcement that they never listened to our feedback, and our keeping the current ending, just cutting in some extra scenes for supposed clarity.

Sorry Bioware we don't want clarity on the present ending, we want a ending that flows in continuity with the story and lore of the series.

[Disciple888]

hold the line

[Shaigunjoe]

Baronesa wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

After DA2 and now ME3, Bioware doesn't make games that I like to play anymore. I was in denial about the direction they are going, but I can accept the facts now. I'm not their target audience or demographic anymore - the gamer invested in RPG gameplay, stories and characters.

I think you have an excellent point.  They are not making the same type of products anymore.  Those who loved the stories and characters that were made by Bioware in the past...just have trouble letting go of what is lost.

Just as an exercise.. restart ME... the sense of wonder... the tones of epicness... so contrary to the nihilism shown on the endings...

The classic KOTOR... the wonderful Jade Empire...  The epic Dragon Age...

And then look at the watered down version we have now... Story??? who cares... what sells is fast paced actionand graphics.

No wonder GoG.com is getting a lot of my money lately...

This is a good point, while I don't really have problems with the endings, there is way more focus on a more streamlined experience and the side quest in this game were a joke.

I still play baulder's gate (and I bought it from GoG)

Every tried Anachronox? (spelling?) I kinda want to check that out.

[iotha1804]

This is it. I'm done with Bioware. Their hubris disgust me. Artistic integrity my ass!

(sigh)Maybe I'm just being emotional now. I'm gonna play ending dlc, but until then, no other dlcs from me. (and I highly doubt that I'm gonna buy them after I see the ending.)

[ragnorok87]

thats iot for me, all bioware products are going to the pawn shop immediately today and i will never buy them again. i hope the fans tear them a new one at pax tomorrow, ill be watching.

[billida]

Thanks to our dear Angry One to put in words what a lot of us think.

[Myrmedus]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

After DA2 and now ME3, Bioware doesn't make games that I like to play anymore. I was in denial about the direction they are going, but I can accept the facts now. I'm not their target audience or demographic anymore - the gamer invested in RPG gameplay, stories and characters.

I think you have an excellent point.  They are not making the same type of products anymore.  Those who loved the stories and characters that were made by Bioware in the past...just have trouble letting go of what is lost.

Just as an exercise.. restart ME... the sense of wonder... the tones of epicness... so contrary to the nihilism shown on the endings...

The classic KOTOR... the wonderful Jade Empire...  The epic Dragon Age...

And then look at the watered down version we have now... Story??? who cares... what sells is fast paced actionand graphics.

No wonder GoG.com is getting a lot of my money lately...

This is a good point, while I don't really have problems with the endings, there is way more focus on a more streamlined experience and the side quest in this game were a joke.

I still play baulder's gate (and I bought it from GoG)

Every tried Anachronox? (spelling?) I kinda want to check that out.

True actually, I didn't notice this as much either....

Even though I actually love the shooter aspects of ME, I feel this is just a brief 'sweet-spot' in terms of gameplay (for me at least) which is just mid-transition - it's probably going to get more and more watered down from hereon out.

Reminds me of Square-Enix actually. These days FF games just aren't anything like FF of old.

[Dinoman666]

Good to see a true, reasonable argument (for any side) for once. Nice job OP.

[nikki191]

case in point. not alot of people know these days westwood used to be the company to go to for RPG's and once taken over by EA you never saw a single one made by westood again. EA are moving bioware to rts games as well. they are all about milking labels until it the label no longer has its drawing power.

as others have pointed out im not longer the customer bioware are aiming for and its sad i thought they were claiming their roots back with DAO but we saw what happened with 2.

its been fun bioware but its time to part ways

[Sarevok Synder]

MintyCool wrote...

Lend your voice by Thanking EA and Bioware by giving up what we want: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037569

I don't consider a condescending DLC "clarifying" for me, that somehow a drivel soaked ending isn't crap, but is actually a case of me not being intelligent enough to get it, to be getting "what we want."

So, why in blazes would I want to thank them?

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 05 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[pikey1969]

The Angry One wrote...

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

Am I ever gonna be satisfied with simply a clarification? 

Probably not.

But, I am also realistic about the situation.

Bioware thinks the overall direction they took with the ending is a good idea, and nothing we do/say will apparently change that. They also for whatever reason believe any form of revision of their core concepts is a front to their creative integrity. While many can disagree and put up valid arguements against this notion, at the end of the day, what Bioware belives is what Bioware believes. If Bioware at least privately realizes maybe not everything they do is golden/final and gain a little humility out of all this, perhaps there's a win to be had there.

And the Retake movement is what it is and has always been, people pissed off about the endings that were in so many ways flawed. It was always going to be split on WHY the endings were bad, because there were so many ways the endings went wrong. However, this 'clarification' stuff is probably gonna make the endings less bad, and for many that's simply going to be good enough for many of the people who initially took issue. Not to mention the question of 'good' and 'bad' is very much a subjective discussion, there was inheritantly going to be a split here.

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[RyanPun1991]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

Exactly

[FemmeShep]

Well, what if they make it so the current ending stands, but they offer more than A,B,C, options? More choices.

Look, I'm not happy about the ending either. From a plot point of view, I thought it sucked. But I never felt we deserved a new ending because the plot sucked. I thought we deserved a new ending because physical promises were made (features in the game) - that were not upheld. If they uphold these promises but with their crappy ending, I would say that makes them square with us.

But, you can choose to not buy anything again from them if you have lost faith in their ability to tell stories. That's perfectly reasonable. But no where did they say: "It features a good ending" - especially since what is good or bad is subjective.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 05 avril 2012 - 08:03 .

[incinerator950]

I just remembered why I stopped coming here, and it wasn't my bad connection.

[pikey1969]

incinerator950 wrote...

I just remembered why I stopped coming here, and it wasn't my bad connection.

i keep coming here cause punkbuster is borked and keeping me playing from games that don't have silly endings.

[CaliGuy033]

The Angry One wrote...

 If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

I didn't realize you had ordered our own personalized copy of Mass Effect 3's ending. How dare they give you one ending when you clearly ordered another!

[The Angry One]

FemmeShep wrote...

Well, what if they make it so the current ending stands, but they offer more than A,B,C, options? More choices.

They specifically said there will be no new endings, only some ridiculous extension of the current one.

[Myrmedus]

FemmeShep wrote...

Well, what if they make it so the current ending stands, but they offer more than A,B,C, options? More choices.

They already said they won't offer any new endings.

[FemmeShep]

The Angry One wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Well, what if they make it so the current ending stands, but they offer more than A,B,C, options? More choices.

They specifically said there will be no new endings, only some ridiculous extension of the current one.

I wouldn't take that 100% literally.

I personally think they meant they weren't going to change the Star Child ending, or how the main plot was set up (the catalyst, the reapers motivation). A lot of people wanted that to all be retconned.

IMO  the FAQ just meant they WON'T change any of that. Doesn't mean they won't offer more choices off that ending.

[Ultra Prism]

well i expect see more rage ... bioware utterly failed us ...

[Ultai]

To be honest, I'd rather leave the endings as they are, than have clarification.

[FemmeShep]

Ultai wrote...

To be honest, I'd rather leave the endings as they are, than have clarification.

Disagree. The Crucible plot is poorly told - and it's KEY to how the ending is told. It really does need clarification.

[Vhalkyrie]

nikki191 wrote...

as others have pointed out im not longer the customer bioware are aiming for and its sad i thought they were claiming their roots back with DAO but we saw what happened with 2.

its been fun bioware but its time to part ways

The reason why I loved DAO was because I thought it was NWN with movie like cinematics.  It was fantastic.  Pretty much my 'ideal' RPG game.  I was so excited for DA2.  But then I found they stripped out the gameplay that I liked in favor of an arcade action interface.  The dungeon map reuse was insulting.  I quite honestly wasted a bunch of time searching for secret levers to open up blocked passageways.  Then I realized the reason they were blocked off wasn't because there were secrets behind it, but because they were reusing the dungeons and just rerouting sections.

Personally, I think they are going to reboot ME3 as a CoD/GoW in space.  The ME universe as I knew it is gone.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 05 avril 2012 - 08:11 .

[alienatedflea]

cry baby cry!! Do yall want some french cries with that wahhhhhhburger?! so pathetic