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[spirosz]

It's like when you tell a bad joke.. if you have to explain what it meant, this is what the ending feels like, even though I understand it - it still takes away from what the whole theme of the series, which is the main problem.

I never expected them to do anything drastic, but make something like this epilogue.

[Warrior Craess]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

I'll see all you guys in line at the midnight launch  when the next Mass Effect comes out.

no you bloody well won't be seeing me. 

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET.

What's  ridiculous is people reading into every quote or comment or suggestion or lash bat from anyone even remotely related to BioWare (and even some who are not), and deciding that what we've received so far is equal to definitively being told what the DLC is.   We haven't been told yet.  Saying "I KNEW IT I WAS RIGHT" is utterly stupid at this point, because you have no way of knowing yet if you are or not.  No one has said anything clear about the DLC other than vague promises that fit within a Non disclosure agreement.  It's almost worse than not telling us anything at this point, jesus.  It's like being in a ****ty relationship where you can't say anything without the other person accusing you of calling them fat.
Bioware hasn't said anything yet other than they're coming out with more content and this content will address the endings.    It's vague.  It's meant to be.  I work on games myself and deal with NDA's all the freaking time.  Everything you say is meant to be completely obfuscating.   Until we have those endings on our computer/playstations/xBoxs, saying "Bioware said the ending is going to be this or that and now they've said it's not!" is absolutely utterly ridiculous.  I know we're all desperate for answers.  Lets not let that desperation feed into mass paranoia and hysteria and cause us to make claims that we have no way of verifying.   

Although I'm sure there'll be another "Casy Hudson left the house wearing red, that means the Destroy ending is the real ending!" thread.

Edit: I know someone's going to point me to the article released today about the Extended cut.  I know about it.  I read the article. It is definitely NOT definitive.  Nothing will be until we have the cut released this summer. 

Modifié par Short Cake Slayer, 05 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[weltraumhamster89]

Selman 88 wrote...

No amount of clarification is going to make Casper the friendly ghost look like a good idea.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Well said TAO, couldn't agree more.

For me, the game will always end when Shepard opens the Citadel. After that I simply spin my own conclusion or use one of the well written fan endings. BioEAre can keep their 'artistic integrity' in my books from now on.

[Doc Trisera]

Thank you Angry One for putting the majorities thoughts into words.

Modifié par Doc Trisera, 05 avril 2012 - 09:10 .

[FemmeShep]

Well, I eat my own words:

FemmeShep ‏

@JessicaMerizan will the extended cut give us more than 3 choices at the end? Or is that 100% staying the same just with extra stuff.

Jessica Merizan ‏

@FemmeShep there will not be additional endings, just more content that provides clarity/closure on the existing endings

Modifié par FemmeShep, 05 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[Turtlicious]

This one believes that you can still vote with your wallet and enjoy mass effect games. It does not condone piracy, but accepts that some will turn to it.



It refuses to stoop to their level.

[Torrible]

They are deliberating under-promising right now, considering the crap they got for their pre-release comments.

I think they simply wised up, knowing that you can't promise anything you haven't started making. 

Modifié par Torrible, 05 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[Doc Trisera]

Selman 88 wrote...

No amount of clarification is going to make Casper the friendly ghost look like a good idea.

[Darthbill52]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

If this was some mmo variant.  Your next vist to the tavern I would buy.    I am speechless, excellent job.  I agree who heart

[Grusome11]

Great post. Thanks.

[ragnorok87]

Doc Trisera wrote...

Selman 88 wrote...

No amount of clarification is going to make Casper the friendly ghost look like a good idea.

[sw04ca]

The lead writer doesn't have any peers. That's why he's the 'lead', rather than just a 'writer'.

[Irishkev]

I agree with everything you said.

the ending is broken the theme is broken heck the last mission it self felt broken and out of sync when you compare it to the geth mission and the krogan mission.

I would pay for DLC that would fix that last mission and the ending.

I know we all pay attention to the ending as it did suck but let's be honest the majorty of the last mission sucked. for so much advertisment TAKE BACK EARTH all the makos the men fighting on earth (advertisment) what we got was basically the go down corriedor hold for X amount of time get cutscence run down beam.

No amount of clarfication or extra scence will explain or make the ending better.

[Lisa_H]

Well said, I agree with it completely

[Beerfish]

1) The endings were garbage, that can't be undone even with a total remake.

2) they could do nothing, they could totally redo an ending and ****** off just as mnay people if it is not 'right' or they could try and placate some people.

No matter what they do the original crap endings will still smell in ones nostrils but something is better than nothing and I'll wait to see what the new stuff is before jumping up and down or not.

[Caz Tirin]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"You got what you wanted and you're still complaining! Some people will never be happy!"
No. I haven't got what I wanted. I wanted endings that fit the tone and themes of the trilogy, that fit the character of Commander Shepard. Not an explanation or extention of the existing endings.
I know a lot of others feel the same way. If I go to a restaurant and order steak and they give me porridge, am I being unreasonable for pointing out that I did not, in fact, order porridge?

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

"LOL did you seriously expect a new ending?"
Yes. Yes I did. And I will continue to do so, or I won't even bother with BioWare anymore.
The ending as it stands is not just bad. It's broken, and no amount of "clarification" will change that.
How will they clarify the Normandy for example? Add Shepard telling Joker to go? That solves nothing. Why? Because Shepard doesn't have the authority to do so, only Hackett does. That's just one problem out of DOZENS.

"Stop complaining. It's free!"
Many of us have stated we'd rather pay for a new ending, than keep the current one for free. This is a non-argument.

"Retakers have won, shut up already."
No, we haven't won. If this goes through then we have lost. Badly.
Some of you may gain satisfaction from this, and all I have to say to that is... I pity you. You would rather see fans driven off than have BioWare live up to it's potential greatness. You'd rather see BioWare slide into mediocrity than ever admit they're wrong. It is, simply, a shame.
We started this movement because we love and appreciate BioWare but it's becoming increasingly clear that BioWare doesn't appreciate itself.

I'm always happy to read your posts.  Many of the things I try to express come out wrong or somehow get miscontrued or misunderstood.  But so far everything I've read of yours (and it's been quite a bit since you post in many of the threads I read hehe) is exactly what I'm wanting to say.  Thank you for being a logical, sensical voice amongst us.
<3

[Caz Tirin]

sw04ca wrote...

The lead writer doesn't have any peers. That's why he's the 'lead', rather than just a 'writer'.

You've never worked as part of a team, then.

[IS1296]

Drew Karpyshyn should have wrote the game, ME3 would've been a lot better. more consistent

Modifié par IS1296, 05 avril 2012 - 09:27 .

[Sith Reaper]

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

This is really something you've written here.

It was disproven by Geoff Keighley that the ending was written by Walters without peer review. I mean, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Geoff saw no evidence that the ending was written in a rushed way or was written in a different way than the rest of the game. He posted that here, on these forums.

[kyban]

Agree with the OP 100%

We don't want clarity. We want choice. We want the end to match the theme of the game. We want the narrative to make sense, without "Uncut" or "extended cut" nonsense.

And most of all, we want star-child gone.

[AtreiyaN7]

They're not "condescending" to you - they compromised to try to at least fulfill the recurring requests for closure and clarification That you can't accept it? Well, that's really kind of your problem, especially since your way of thinking seems to be that the only acceptable outcome is for BioWare to cave in to your every demand. If you lack the patience to see what happens, then you might as well leave because you're clearly not going to get exactly what you want.

[The Angry One]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

They're not "condescending" to you - they compromised to try to at least fulfill the recurring requests for closure and clarification That you can't accept it? Well, that's really kind of your problem, especially since your way of thinking seems to be that the only acceptable outcome is for BioWare to cave in to your every demand. If you lack the patience to see what happens, then you might as well leave because you're clearly not going to get exactly what you want.

No, my only acceptable outcome is an ending where Shepard is not forced to become a war criminal.
That isn't asking for much, in a series built on hope, beating the odds and finding another way.

[kyban]

Sith Reaper wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

So basically BioWare intend to condescend to us, ignoring the promises made and the fact that the ending violates the themes of the rest of the game.
Exactly as I predicted, people are coming out and saying we should be happy, that we "won", that we'll never be satisfied. It's the worst of both worlds.
Let's go over some of the arguments made by ending supporters and BioWare.

"The artistic vision of the Mass Effect team must be preserved!"
I actually agree. It's their vision and their game. But here's the thing. The ending is not their vision. The ending is the vision of one man, the lead writer, who wrote and implimented it without peer review.
The ending as it is completely destroys the artistic vision of the writing team. It contradicts it. It cheapens it. It makes it all irrelevant. Not only ME3, but the entire trilogy.
That's the real dangerous precident here. That we allow one person, who did not create the universe in the first place, to ultimately decide the fate of a team effort.

"The ending is good. It just needs explanation and clarification."
If your supposedly deep ending needs a handbook to go along with it, then it has failed.
If you admit your ending needs to be clarified, then it has failed.

This is really something you've written here.

It was disproven by Geoff Keighley that the ending was written by Walters without peer review. I mean, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Geoff saw no evidence that the ending was written in a rushed way or was written in a different way than the rest of the game. He posted that here, on these forums.

Wow i didn't even know this. NO peer review at all?? Wtf? that's not how games are supposed to work. That's not even how most major motion pictures work. What garbage. No wonder why the ending is the way it is.... I miss Drew..