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You strongly believe in not being told you're wrong.

You kind of have to face facts.  Your ending was the ending to a side project, a Casey Hudson fan fiction he was writing on the side that he arbitrarily injected into this game.  You didn't end Commander Shepard's story, and you sure didn't end my story. 

A couple weeks ago I called this precisely.  I said we're getting the same ending from a different camera angle.  It's a joke suggesting that you are not taking this ending fiasco seriously, but the bottom line is that's about what we're getting.

I want you to take into consideration what you are arguing:

You are arguing that not only is every action (not choice, action) leading up until that final moment is literal moot.  You're arguing that every NEW action you created in this game is moot.  What's the point of having us cure the Genopage?  The Krogan will never see the fruit of it.  What's the point of bringing peace to the Quarians and the Geth?  You'll either arbitrarily wipe the Geth out or you'll all become Geth anyway, gutting the entire philosophical meat of the story of "Can synthetics and organics coexist?"

Well, you actually kind of answered that.  Rather than relying on truth, plots, and character development, you took five minutes to tell us, "Everything you learned about those two is a lie, synthetics and organics can't get along."  Then sun glasses fell out of the sky and you told us to deal with it.

There's no point in romancing anyone, all that you do is break that character's heart at best.  You doom them to a dark age of despair as the entire galaxy we fell in love with goes away in a single moment.

Hell, what was the point of introducing any of the Reapers in their Lovecraftian, doomsday fashion?  It turns out they're just here to protect us from...look it doesn't even make sense, you know it, I know it.

But the worst of it is that this isn't your artistic vision.  You're lying if you say otherwise, because you didn't have a clue how this game was going to end.  The plot did not lead us to this point and you've admitted as much.  You created the Reapers with the idea that they were world destroyers, then you didn't know how to wrap up their story, so you altered it at the eleventh hour.

You want to fix your ending?  Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson.  With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever.  Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.

But no, Casey Hudson thinks he's an intellectual, and he thinks his ending has meaning.

Hint: he's not.  Hint: it doesn't.

It means that he falls in line with all the other self described artists out there that hang out at the Metaphor Cafe and think that because their parents didn't give them a $20 increase in their allowance they have now explored the depths of human suffering and want to demonstrate it in poetry they defend by calling it avante gard.

Up until a single lift of an elevator, you were writing the Sci Fi War and Peace.

As soon as that elevator lifted, you turned it into a 5 year story composed entirely of Jack's poetry from Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Good job, you have no artistic integrity, and your ending sucks.

Deal with it.

Modifié par Vromrig, 05 avril 2012 - 05:18 .


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Forums are moving fast today.

I see I'm not the only angry one.

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Agreed.

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I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.

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Amen bro!

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Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.



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Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.



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There are no facts. All of the plot-holes you people try to invent are very poorly constructed speculation.

The ending was good and Bioware should be proud of it. You didn't get your way and you're upset.

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Holy ****. That was fantastically put.

I only wish you had done that all with your Mordin character typing. Too bad people wouldnt take you the slightest bit seriously if you did that.

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Gigamantis wrote...

There are no facts. All of the plot-holes you people try to invent are very poorly constructed speculation.

The ending was good and Bioware should be proud of it. You didn't get your way and you're upset.


It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

I only wish you had done that all with your Mordin character typing.
Too bad people wouldnt take you the slightest bit seriously if you did
that.


I've given Bioware enough with that.  That was about respect for a character, a respect they don't show the very same character.

The sacrifice he made we all wept for was swept under the rug in a sudden and momentary bout of Casey Hudson wanting to pretend he was Quado from Total Recall, telling us to "open our minds".

Modifié par Vromrig, 05 avril 2012 - 05:33 .


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You type the words I no longer have the energy to. I salute you.

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The funniest thing about the synthesis ending (which is supposed to be the "good" one) is that there isn't anything stopping the robo/human hybrids from making pure synthetics again. Its a temporary solution at best.

So basically, even the ending they made, using their own logic, has its flaws. Good post OP.

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*bump*

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Vromrig wrote...

Forums are moving fast today.

I see I'm not the only angry one.


You are absolutely right. :)
good post.

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Sesshaku wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.



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I agree with this thread.

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Solid post, Vromig.

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It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

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No, I don't strongly believe in the ending...

But I do believe in this post !

Modifié par joshynoob, 05 avril 2012 - 05:37 .


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Bumped for agreement. I feel like part of the issue is that BioWare is under the impression that we're too dumb to put 2 and 2 together and understand what happened. We did understand, with the possible exception of Joker running away, which was due to them not giving us any real explanation as to what was going on. It was just that most of us thought the ending was, well, crap and badly written.


Explaining where God Child came from is just explaining a bad deux ex machina and doesn't change the fact that we were told we were getting multiple endings, and didn't.

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You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove


It's amusing because you arbitrarily assume that the primary complaint is the plot holes. They exist in fine fashion, but far more importantly, it just shows a lack of actually taking into consideration what someone is actually complaining about.

It's okay, you liked the ending, therefore your judgment is already suspect, and it doesn't surprise me that you don't prod deeper.

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Gigamantis wrote...

It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.


Please, disprove the plotholes then oh great and knowledgeable one.  Or do I have to wait a few months to get a guidebook to understand why the endings are terrible?


Edit: Also, lack of choice... blah blah blah, everything else lacking in the endings.

Modifié par I am KROGAN, 05 avril 2012 - 05:38 .


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Signed.

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Vromrig wrote...

You strongly believe in not being told you're wrong.

You kind of have to face facts.  Your ending was the ending to a side project, a Casey Hudson fan fiction he was writing on the side that he arbitrarily injected into this game.  You didn't end Commander Shepard's story, and you sure didn't end my story. 

A couple weeks ago I called this precisely.  I said we're getting the same ending from a different camera angle.  It's a joke suggesting that you are not taking this ending fiasco seriously, but the bottom line is that's about what we're getting.

I want you to take into consideration what you are arguing:

You are arguing that not only is every action (not choice, action) leading up until that final moment is literal moot.  You're arguing that every NEW action you created in this game is moot.  What's the point of having us cure the Genopage?  The Krogan will never see the fruit of it.  What's the point of bringing peace to the Quarians and the Geth?  You'll either arbitrarily wipe the Geth out or you'll all become Geth anyway, gutting the entire philosophical meat of the story of "Can synthetics and organics coexist?"

Well, you actually kind of answered that.  Rather than relying on truth, plots, and character development, you took five minutes to tell us, "Everything you learned about those two is a lie, synthetics and organics can't get along."  Then sun glasses fell out of the sky and you told us to deal with it.

There's no point in romancing anyone, all that you do is break that character's heart at best.  You doom them to a dark age of despair as the entire galaxy we fell in love with goes away in a single moment.

Hell, what was the point of introducing any of the Reapers in their Lovecraftian, doomsday fashion?  It turns out they're just here to protect us from...look it doesn't even make sense, you know it, I know it.

But the worst of it is that this isn't your artistic vision.  You're lying if you say otherwise, because you didn't have a clue how this game was going to end.  The plot did not lead us to this point and you've admitted as much.  You created the Reapers with the idea that they were world destroyers, then you didn't know how to wrap up their story, so you altered it at the eleventh hour.

You want to fix your ending?  Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson.  With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever.  Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.

But no, Casey Hudson thinks he's an intellectual, and he thinks his ending has meaning.

Hint: he's not.  Hint: it doesn't.

It means that he falls in line with all the other self described artists out there that hang out at the Metaphor Cafe and think that because their parents didn't give them a $20 increase in their allowance they have now explored the depths of human suffering and want to demonstrate it in poetry they defend by calling it avante gard.

Up until a single lift of an elevator, you were writing the Sci Fi War and Peace.

As soon as that elevator lifted, you turned it into a 5 year story composed entirely of Jack's poetry from Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Good job, you have no artistic integrity, and your ending sucks.

Deal with it.


Sort of have to agree with most this.

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Casey Hudson is laughing at you

Perhaps if you applied your intellect to trying to understand the implications of the endings rather than ranting about the guy who without you'd never have any Mass Effect, you'd accomplish something positive.

Modifié par sp0ck 06, 05 avril 2012 - 05:40 .