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[Gigamantis]

I am KROGAN wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

Please, disprove the plotholes then oh great and knowledgeable one.  Or do I have to wait a few months to get a guidebook to understand why the endings are terrible?

I have been all over this forum.  My post history is riddled with examples of me doing this and I'll gladly do it here.  I'm not going to talk to myself, though, so why don't you iterate what you consider to be the biggest hole. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 05 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Keltic]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

Casey Hudson is laughing at you

Yup, he probably is, does not detract from the fact the game has disappointed so many.

[recentio]

I agree that the ending is pretentious rather than profound. All because it's ideas are tacked on rather than integrated and set up *effectively* throughout the story. Still, it's the only ending we're going to get, and I hope the expansion will smooth out many of the breaks in causality. This is just a lesson, I guess, to never buy a BW game without doing a little homework into it first to make sure you'll actually get what you want from your purchase.

[Vromrig]

Gigamantis wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

Please, disprove the plotholes then oh great and knowledgeable one.  Or do I have to wait a few months to get a guidebook to understand why the endings are terrible?

I have been all over this forum.  My post history is riddled with examples of me doing this and I'll gladly do it here.  I'm not going to take to myself, though, so why don't you iterate what you consider to be the biggest hole. 

Find another of the million threads to discuss the chicken's idea of why garbage is diamonds based on a flow chart of what is or isn't a plot hole.

This place isn't one of them.

[JohnnyG]

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

Whether you agree about plotholes or not (and I do, and happen to agree with the OP), my concern is more about the false advertising that was made about the game, even after it went gold...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10473356/1

[trey40]

Gigamantis wrote...

There are no facts. All of the plot-holes you people try to invent are very poorly constructed speculation.

The ending was good and Bioware should be proud of it. You didn't get your way and you're upset.

we didn't get our way?! walters and hudson made false advertisements, that is because we complain. not for a happy ending, it was said "your choices matter", i was said "there are no endigns like A, B or C" and it was said "we don't want that there is a long lost reaper-off button".

But  that was exactly what we got! and sure there are plot holes or logical holes, even the thing that there is no air in space and shepard's armor was burnt down, also the helmet was gone and he is still alive outside the crucible, so he can talk to the spacebrat?!

[ean0611]

Very solid first post

[totalrecall87]

Kesak12 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.

[alx119]

Vromrig wrote...

Forums are moving fast today.

I see I'm not the only angry one.

Wow, I never seen you out of character. 
But yes, people is angry and ****fest is raining. Although, I'm not angry, not anymore, I can't bring myself to care enough anymore. That statement was the final blow, artistic integrity, oh yes, they have a lot if. Quality artistic vision? None. 

[I am KROGAN]

Vromrig wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

Please, disprove the plotholes then oh great and knowledgeable one.  Or do I have to wait a few months to get a guidebook to understand why the endings are terrible?

I have been all over this forum.  My post history is riddled with examples of me doing this and I'll gladly do it here.  I'm not going to take to myself, though, so why don't you iterate what you consider to be the biggest hole. 

Find another of the million threads to discuss the chicken's idea of why garbage is diamonds based on a flow chart of what is or isn't a plot hole.

This place isn't one of them.

Ill just wait till summer to have it "explained" to me then. 

BACK TO LURKING!

[Vromrig]

All Casey Hudson had to not do to not make the worst ending in mankind:

Destroy the entire universe and make the Reapers good guys.

What did Casey do?

Well...

Modifié par Vromrig, 05 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[ShepnTali]

The ending is trash. Instead of running the ball into the endzone from the half yard line, they pulled a trick play that flopped hard.

[Gigamantis]

Vromrig wrote...

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove

It's amusing because you arbitrarily assume that the primary complaint is the plot holes. They exist in fine fashion, but far more importantly, it just shows a lack of actually taking into consideration what someone is actually complaining about.

It's okay, you liked the ending, therefore your judgment is already suspect, and it doesn't surprise me that you don't prod deeper.

I realize the underlying reasons for your reactions, believe me.  All that's been claimed in any substantial fashion is plot-holes, though, but you probably don't understand the plot well enough to argue those, so you're keeping your opinion ambiguous to avoid being cornered. 

It's alright, most people espousing your view are all bark and no substance.  That's probably part of the reason why Bioware didn't take the movement seriously. 

[Ekyri]

Vromrig wrote...


You want to fix your ending?  Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson.  With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever.  Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.

If they had to steal a ending from someone they should have picked this, bittersweet etc

[Enhanced]

Vromrig wrote...

All Casey Hudson had to not do to not make the worst ending in mankind:

Destroy the entire universe and make the Reapers good guys.

What did Casey do?

Well...

But,  the entire universe doesn't get destroyed in any of the endings.

Modifié par Enhanced, 05 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[BWGungan]

Casey Hudson should be fired.

[Fail_Inc]

Even Vromrig has left his Mordin style talking.

That's how disappointing it is...

I'll still wait for PAX


I salute you my friend.

[girlontheinternet]

Guys, I've been in these forums for a couple months lurking, and I've picked up on a couple things. So, seriously, why argue with Gigamantis? We've got to learn that he has his opinion and he's not changing it for any reason (or she). Some fights aren't worth the effort; let him (or her!) go.

Modifié par girlontheinternet, 05 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Nobrandminda]

Vromrig wrote...

You strongly believe in not being told you're wrong.

You kind of have to face facts.  Your ending was the ending to a side project, a Casey Hudson fan fiction he was writing on the side that he arbitrarily injected into this game.  You didn't end Commander Shepard's story, and you sure didn't end my story. 

A couple weeks ago I called this precisely.  I said we're getting the same ending from a different camera angle.  It's a joke suggesting that you are not taking this ending fiasco seriously, but the bottom line is that's about what we're getting.

I want you to take into consideration what you are arguing:

You are arguing that not only is every action (not choice, action) leading up until that final moment is literal moot.  You're arguing that every NEW action you created in this game is moot.  What's the point of having us cure the Genopage?  The Krogan will never see the fruit of it.  What's the point of bringing peace to the Quarians and the Geth?  You'll either arbitrarily wipe the Geth out or you'll all become Geth anyway, gutting the entire philosophical meat of the story of "Can synthetics and organics coexist?"

Well, you actually kind of answered that.  Rather than relying on truth, plots, and character development, you took five minutes to tell us, "Everything you learned about those two is a lie, synthetics and organics can't get along."  Then sun glasses fell out of the sky and you told us to deal with it.

There's no point in romancing anyone, all that you do is break that character's heart at best.  You doom them to a dark age of despair as the entire galaxy we fell in love with goes away in a single moment.

Hell, what was the point of introducing any of the Reapers in their Lovecraftian, doomsday fashion?  It turns out they're just here to protect us from...look it doesn't even make sense, you know it, I know it.

But the worst of it is that this isn't your artistic vision.  You're lying if you say otherwise, because you didn't have a clue how this game was going to end.  The plot did not lead us to this point and you've admitted as much.  You created the Reapers with the idea that they were world destroyers, then you didn't know how to wrap up their story, so you altered it at the eleventh hour.

You want to fix your ending?  Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson.  With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever.  Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.

But no, Casey Hudson thinks he's an intellectual, and he thinks his ending has meaning.

Hint: he's not.  Hint: it doesn't.

It means that he falls in line with all the other self described artists out there that hang out at the Metaphor Cafe and think that because their parents didn't give them a $20 increase in their allowance they have now explored the depths of human suffering and want to demonstrate it in poetry they defend by calling it avante gard.

Up until a single lift of an elevator, you were writing the Sci Fi War and Peace.

As soon as that elevator lifted, you turned it into a 5 year story composed entirely of Jack's poetry from Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Good job, you have no artistic integrity, and your ending sucks.

Deal with it.

I'm trying to keep an open mind about the "new" ending, but it's hard to when I agree with so much of what was written here.

Had to be Drew Karpyshyn.  Someone else might have gotten it wrong.

[Aurvant]

Gigamantis wrote...

It's cute that you think that.

I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.

That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.

You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.

How about you take a minute to list out why you loved the ending and how it appropriately fits in with anything from the first two games.

Then, explain to all of us that didn't "get it" how the Crucible is able to do anything that it does. It can magically give synthetic life DNA to merge them with organics to create a new life-form? What? How does it do that?

How about you explain everything we didn't "get" and I'm sure that you're arguments will be SO GOOD that we won't be able to poke all sorts of holes in it, right?

[BWGungan]

Enhanced wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

All Casey Hudson had to not do to not make the worst ending in mankind:

Destroy the entire universe and make the Reapers good guys.

What did Casey do?

Well...

But,  the entire universe doesn't get destroyed in any ending.

Yes, it does.  No mass relays = no franchise.  No mortal race can travel through interstellar space and survive the trip.

[Vhalkyrie]

The ending has completely killed the replayability of the series for me. I don't feel Shepard made an honorable sacrifice, it was a cadmean victory, and thus I can't feel good about it. Their statement today is enough closure for me. As this is how they end the series, it is also the end of my interest in the series. I can move on to something else knowing there is nothing more to look forward to here.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 05 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Ariq]

Vromrig wrote...

You want to fix your ending?  Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson.  With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever.  Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.

Add in a short cutscene with the flashback images of some of your crew (as is in game now), and this would be an almsot perfect ending. Might still be nice to have an epilogue of sorts in the victory case, but perfect ending to Shepard's story. The quiet moment on the Citadel was excellent.

Modifié par Ariq, 05 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Gigamantis]

trey40 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

There are no facts. All of the plot-holes you people try to invent are very poorly constructed speculation.

The ending was good and Bioware should be proud of it. You didn't get your way and you're upset.

we didn't get our way?! walters and hudson made false advertisements, that is because we complain. not for a happy ending, it was said "your choices matter", i was said "there are no endigns like A, B or C" and it was said "we don't want that there is a long lost reaper-off button".

But  that was exactly what we got! and sure there are plot holes or logical holes, even the thing that there is no air in space and shepard's armor was burnt down, also the helmet was gone and he is still alive outside the crucible, so he can talk to the spacebrat?!

Oh, so this thread is about your well constructed false advertisement lawsuit, eh?  There were more than 3 endings and they were different.  The jury finds in favor of the defendent, Bioware.  Next case?