Gigamantis wrote...
That little girl was probably a retaker and the kitten was the indoctrination theory.It's cute that you think that.
I saw a little girl that really strongly believed that the kitten she drew was good.
You retakers threw a fit and it didn't work. There was never a reasonable case for your side of this, just a lot of butthurt fans rambling about plot-holes that are painfully easy to dissprove.
Gigamantis wrote...
Yea, the catalyst is the bad guy and it's very mean of him to try and kill everyone. I'm not disputing that. The catalyst has the reapers though, and those pesky reapers can't be stopped without the crucible.
Gigamantis wrote...
The ending is sad and Shepards final situation is a hopeless one. You couldn't Paragon or Renegade your way to absolute victory and had to compromise your ideals and make a huge sacrifice to save the galaxy. You wanted to be able to force a happy ending and you couldn't.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
You wanted a happier ending and your upset they didn't give you that option. It's fine, but that doesn't make the ending stupid.
The ending is stupid because its..... stupid. Has almost nothing to do with Shepard dying, or the relays exploding. Has everything to do with changing the trilogy's themes, ideals, main characters to rubbish, and making the player's choices worthless in the last 10 minutes.
Modifié par savionen, 05 avril 2012 - 06:48 .
Gigamantis wrote...
You wanted a happier ending and your upset they didn't give you that option. It's fine, but that doesn't make the ending stupid.BWGungan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
I'm not sure if Bioware claimed the Relay destroying ending is canon or not, but just pick a different one then.BWGungan wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
Then why does the relays being destroyed at the end of ME3 matter?No, they didn't. They specifically said that any new ME games would take place during the events of ME3 or before that. There will be no sequels.
Because it undoes all of the unification you did throughout the entire series. It also casts a dark shadow over any possible prequel because you already know that the universe you're playing in the prequel ends in the stupidest possible way.
Also, if you didn't notice, I editted "the stupidest possible way" to read "and being denied any possibility of stopping it", which is worse than stupid in my eyes.
It also poisons replayability of the series in the same way it would in a new prequel.
Modifié par BWGungan, 05 avril 2012 - 06:53 .
No, they were losing the war in absolutely every theatre the reapers opened up. They flat out said in the dialogue a conventional war isn't winnable multiple times. Everything they were doing was to buy time for the construction and use of the crucible. It was the only option.BTW everything in-game told me that I could beat the Reapers in a conventional war. Pavalen was being held, EMS and the % rating said I was holding keep points and pushing the Reapers away. If a fleet of 5000 EMS can handle the Reapers than why can't 10000? Where's the Thanix cannons? The idea of beating them in a conventional war just disappeared randomly, because of Starchild.
Gigamantis wrote...
No, they were losing the war in absolutely every theatre the reapers opened up. They flat out said in the dialogue a conventional war isn't winnable multiple times. Everything they were doing was to buy time for the construction and use of the crucible. It was the only option.BTW everything in-game told me that I could beat the Reapers in a conventional war. Pavalen was being held, EMS and the % rating said I was holding keep points and pushing the Reapers away. If a fleet of 5000 EMS can handle the Reapers than why can't 10000? Where's the Thanix cannons? The idea of beating them in a conventional war just disappeared randomly, because of Starchild.
Sheer brilliance.It means that he falls in line with all the other self described artists out there that hang out at the Metaphor Cafe and think that because their parents didn't give them a $20 increase in their allowance they have now explored the depths of human suffering and want to demonstrate it in poetry they defend by calling it avante gard.
These are reasons you didn't like the ending, which is fine, your opinion is your opinion. These aren't reasons the ending is bad, though. All of your options in the end had vastly different implications for the future of the galaxy, they just weren't the standard happy/sad endings.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
The ending is sad and Shepards final situation is a hopeless one. You couldn't Paragon or Renegade your way to absolute victory and had to compromise your ideals and make a huge sacrifice to save the galaxy. You wanted to be able to force a happy ending and you couldn't.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
You wanted a happier ending and your upset they didn't give you that option. It's fine, but that doesn't make the ending stupid.
The ending is stupid because its..... stupid. Has almost nothing to do with Shepard dying, or the relays exploding. Has everything to do with changing the trilogy's themes, ideals, main characters to rubbish, and making the player's choices worthless in the last 10 minutes.
A happy ending? Cool story. I wanted a variety of endings that held themes instead of turning into space-magic-garbage. It was always about how if you had diversity, brought people together, and stood together that you could take on any challenges. Apparently though diversity is wrong, though, and you're going to die and fail regardless.
I would have liked to see an ending where the Reapers won too. The ME2 ending failure was actually pretty epic if everybody died. ME3's ending the Reapers disappear and may or may not be dead in all 3 endings, and the relays are destroyed in all 3 endings. Doesn't even matter that much if Earth is destroyed, either, in the scheme of things.
Gigamantis wrote...
There are no facts. All of the plot-holes you people try to invent are very poorly constructed speculation.
The ending was good and Bioware should be proud of it. You didn't get your way and you're upset.
You must be dozing when the characters are actually talking about how the war is going.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
No, they were losing the war in absolutely every theatre the reapers opened up. They flat out said in the dialogue a conventional war isn't winnable multiple times. Everything they were doing was to buy time for the construction and use of the crucible. It was the only option.BTW everything in-game told me that I could beat the Reapers in a conventional war. Pavalen was being held, EMS and the % rating said I was holding keep points and pushing the Reapers away. If a fleet of 5000 EMS can handle the Reapers than why can't 10000? Where's the Thanix cannons? The idea of beating them in a conventional war just disappeared randomly, because of Starchild.
Not in my game....
Gigamantis wrote...
These are reasons you didn't like the ending, which is fine, your opinion is your opinion. These aren't reasons the ending is bad, though. All of your options in the end had vastly different implications for the future of the galaxy, they just weren't the standard happy/sad endings.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
The ending is sad and Shepards final situation is a hopeless one. You couldn't Paragon or Renegade your way to absolute victory and had to compromise your ideals and make a huge sacrifice to save the galaxy. You wanted to be able to force a happy ending and you couldn't.savionen wrote...
Gigamantis wrote...
You wanted a happier ending and your upset they didn't give you that option. It's fine, but that doesn't make the ending stupid.
The ending is stupid because its..... stupid. Has almost nothing to do with Shepard dying, or the relays exploding. Has everything to do with changing the trilogy's themes, ideals, main characters to rubbish, and making the player's choices worthless in the last 10 minutes.
A happy ending? Cool story. I wanted a variety of endings that held themes instead of turning into space-magic-garbage. It was always about how if you had diversity, brought people together, and stood together that you could take on any challenges. Apparently though diversity is wrong, though, and you're going to die and fail regardless.
I would have liked to see an ending where the Reapers won too. The ME2 ending failure was actually pretty epic if everybody died. ME3's ending the Reapers disappear and may or may not be dead in all 3 endings, and the relays are destroyed in all 3 endings. Doesn't even matter that much if Earth is destroyed, either, in the scheme of things.
If that's true then no one cares how it ends period. If they all survive and go on to live happy lives who cares? I won't see it.Nobody ****ing cares about some distant future we'll never see.
Gigamantis wrote...
If that's true then no one cares how it ends period. If they all survive and go on to live happy lives who cares? I won't see it.Nobody ****ing cares about some distant future we'll never see.
Modifié par BWGungan, 05 avril 2012 - 07:01 .
Orthodox Infidel wrote...
I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.
Vromrig wrote...
You strongly believe in not being told you're wrong.
.... MEGA SNIP
Good job, you have no artistic integrity, and your ending sucks.
Deal with it.
MintyCool wrote...
Vromrig wrote...
Deal with it.
How incredibly laughable. lol.
1. Shepard, war torn and exhausted, leaped into the crucibles energy source sacrificing his life to intertwine existences between synthetics and organics.
A few hours ago, this is how my tale ended after five years of Mass Effect; and I was quite satisfied with the ending.
2. The writing team behind Mass Effect 3 was able to elevate the narrative premise by weaving a philosophical debate about the relationship between organic and synthetic coexistence. The entire story throughout
the third addition is laced with the ideas of life, harmony, and self
preservation.
More than ever, the story has morphed into a game about big themes and big ideas.
Just some of the thoughts explored throughout this game...
EDI and free will, Synthetic dominance, Lineage, Genophage, Causality, Geth/quarian conflict, Determinism, Legacy - Miranda's father, Synchronicity and Kaiden, False Theology-Asari Prothean Gods, personal
fulfillment, etc.
Compared to the previous installments that may have skimmed over some of these topics, all the philosophical and
sociological debates/conflicts in this iteration have the main goal of bolstering the main theme of Mass Effect 3,
The existence of The Creators vs. The Created.
3. Two camps are formed because of this instance. The story the writers wish to tell, and the fans who feel entitled to observe the story they themselves envisioned.
The writers, it seems, realized the message that they wanted people to take from this third installment.
This had the team shifting the narrative focus to a more elevated dynamic.
The coexistence of Synthetics vs. Organics.
4. To this end, Mass Effect 3 succeeds in weaving a narrative from beginning to end. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
Philosophical themes trounce the Neanderthal-dopamine induced urges people wish to
see in this addition. Especially in the end game where this theme
becomes the stories main focal point.
Honestly is a cameo appearance from Wrex for the 50th time really going to add anything to the finality of this story?
No.
5. Unfortunately I find a Star Wars Syndrome happening with this series. A fan base digesting every bit of corn fructose they can gulp down. Needing everything to be spelled out; desperate to know every last bit
of information.
Why must one need to see Tali's face? Why do we need to know a detailed history of the Protheans? How come we need to see the Rachni and Krogan attack the enemy? Isn't the struggle of loss and war already inferred multiple times throughout the story? The focus of the end game is obviously being developed on a much deeper/different
theme.
Midichlorians anyone? You do not need to know how exactly the force works...
This desperate need to dig up plot holes and inconsistencies from the hard core is entirely unhealthy for the series and its fans. All stories have inconsistencies, stories you tell to your friends are punched up
exaggerations of what really happened. Your Facebook account is not a
mirror image of the life you lead, but the life you wish you lived.
You had the chance to say goodbye to the entire main cast in one way or another. Multiple times is it mentioned/inferred that all races are about to battle the Reapers.
Needing to know a detailed resolution of what happens to everyone in the galaxy only dilutes the
escapist reality the writers created.
Some things are better left to the imagination. Less is more and allowing the mind to explore
possibilities is one of the great strengths of human thought.
6. In the end, it would seem the Bioware writing team effectively succeeded in what they wanted to say in the Mass Effect saga. This is something I can respect. Instead of appeasing to the vocal mob; they
finished the story on their own terms.
Mass Effect became a tale about cultural synthesis. The Mass Effect team was finally able to find
this series a voice. Knowing this, makes me content that I have finished this series in its entirety; in the way it was meant to be seen.
And I enjoyed every minute of it: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037569
Gigamantis wrote...
You must be dozing when the characters are actually talking about how the war is going.
Gigamantis wrote...
If that's true then no one cares how it ends period. If they all survive and go on to live happy lives who cares? I won't see it.Nobody ****ing cares about some distant future we'll never see.
Modifié par savionen, 05 avril 2012 - 07:18 .
Orthodox Infidel wrote...
I'm bumping this thread because the original post is awesome.
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