I'm glad MintyCool spent a lot of time to explain exactly what I have an issue with.
You Don't Strongly Believe In The Ending
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Vromrig
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#152
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:39
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savionen wrote...
Why even have a 10k score possible if the best ending is at 5k. If 5k can potentially win at key points and hold the Reapers off, then why can't 10k do more?
A 10k score is not possible unless you hacked the game or promoted at least 33 level 20 multiplayer characters. The highest score I've heard of is 7490.
Also, it's very obviously clear across all three games that a conventional warfare ending is impossible. Even if it wasn't totally impossible we would still never see it because then Shepard and the player would not be necessary to resolve the final conflict at all. Unless you want the game to do a sudden genre shift from RPG to RTS for the final 10% of the game, which nobody does. Sorry, the conventional war argument rests entirely on selective reading of the plot. I'm not going to argue it in detail with you because I've done that endlessly and it's really not relevant to the original poster's argument, seeing that he accepts the entire plot except those last 5 minutes.
Bumping the thread again because the original post is still awesome.
#153
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:44
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CrutchCricket wrote...
You type the words I no longer have the energy to. I salute you.
This.
#154
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:53
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Great post, hope more people can take a look at this, forum is moving fast
#155
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:54
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RyanPun1991 wrote...
Great post, hope more people can take a look at this, forum is moving fast
#156
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:55
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sp0ck 06 wrote...
Casey Hudson is laughing at you
Perhaps if you applied your intellect to trying to understand the implications of the endings rather than ranting about the guy who without you'd never have any Mass Effect, you'd accomplish something positive.
Agreed, move on and accept the free DLC, just don't hold that line too long, you may miss out and have to end up paying for it.
#157
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 09:03
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Wowlock wrote...
I am starting to think that they have no faith in their creative sense anymore so they produce this nonsensical ending....put themselves in to the corner and now give us the ''Illusion of being heard'' with this ''Extended BS Ending '' .... just like the Illusion of choice we got with the current ending.
I doubt they really learned ANYTHING from this backlash and if they are sticking to this ending as ''Artistic Integrity'' .....well this Extended Cut will infruate many people , including me , even more.
Just think about how they will TRY and FAIL to explain a Die-hard, no retreat pilot that actually wanted to go down with the Normandy SR-1 until Shepard literally HAD to pull him out, will LEAVE Shep and the whole Galactic Fleet in the biggest battle of the Galaxy and try to escape via Relays.... to where ? For what ? .....
Yea , this ''Extended Cut'' won't solve anything with the CURRENT ending and since they basicly say '' We are going down with our ending ! '' while ME3 is sinking.
If anything, I somehow admire their stubbornness but sadly, I am witholding any purchase from them after this.
This is where I'm at. They made it clear they are sticking with the ending as is. No ammount of clarification will resolve my greivances. It is of course their choice, as is mine to no longer associate with them in any capacity.
#158
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 09:58
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Perhaps if you applied your intellect to trying to understand the implications of the endings rather than ranting about the guy who without you'd never have any Mass Effect, you'd accomplish something positive.
I will always laugh at this line of thought.
#159
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 10:09
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I didn't think it was possible to find someone dumber than George W. Bush. But apparently i did. His name is Gigamantis.
#160
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 12:03
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Bumping it to the beat of straight shooters everywhere.
Truth, this Vromrig speaks.
Truth, this Vromrig speaks.
#161
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 12:05
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What species are you people that expect an entire company to throw itself under the bus for you?
Is this forum full of turians? Is public relations an unknown concept on Palaven?
Is this forum full of turians? Is public relations an unknown concept on Palaven?
#162
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 12:30
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Everyone should just ignore Gigamantis. He's clearly a professional troll of the type detailed in this article here: http://www.cinemable...izon-40885.html
#163
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:07
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Stated very well OP, I applaud you for the awesome.
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Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:12
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Vromrig wrote...
You strongly believe in not being told you're wrong.
You kind of have to face facts. Your ending was the ending to a side project, a Casey Hudson fan fiction he was writing on the side that he arbitrarily injected into this game. You didn't end Commander Shepard's story, and you sure didn't end my story.
A couple weeks ago I called this precisely. I said we're getting the same ending from a different camera angle. It's a joke suggesting that you are not taking this ending fiasco seriously, but the bottom line is that's about what we're getting.
I want you to take into consideration what you are arguing:
You are arguing that not only is every action (not choice, action) leading up until that final moment is literal moot. You're arguing that every NEW action you created in this game is moot. What's the point of having us cure the Genopage? The Krogan will never see the fruit of it. What's the point of bringing peace to the Quarians and the Geth? You'll either arbitrarily wipe the Geth out or you'll all become Geth anyway, gutting the entire philosophical meat of the story of "Can synthetics and organics coexist?"
Well, you actually kind of answered that. Rather than relying on truth, plots, and character development, you took five minutes to tell us, "Everything you learned about those two is a lie, synthetics and organics can't get along." Then sun glasses fell out of the sky and you told us to deal with it.
There's no point in romancing anyone, all that you do is break that character's heart at best. You doom them to a dark age of despair as the entire galaxy we fell in love with goes away in a single moment.
Hell, what was the point of introducing any of the Reapers in their Lovecraftian, doomsday fashion? It turns out they're just here to protect us from...look it doesn't even make sense, you know it, I know it.
But the worst of it is that this isn't your artistic vision. You're lying if you say otherwise, because you didn't have a clue how this game was going to end. The plot did not lead us to this point and you've admitted as much. You created the Reapers with the idea that they were world destroyers, then you didn't know how to wrap up their story, so you altered it at the eleventh hour.
You want to fix your ending? Have Commander Shepard die next to Anderson. With a high enough EMS, Hacket says, "Commander, the Crucible is charging up, we need you set its guidance systems," and you use what last life you have to turn them on and the Reapers are gone forever. Without a high enough EMS, you lose your strength and Earth is wiped out in the process as you sputter blood out and look like Mordin trying desperately to fix the sabotage after being shot in the back.
But no, Casey Hudson thinks he's an intellectual, and he thinks his ending has meaning.
Hint: he's not. Hint: it doesn't.
It means that he falls in line with all the other self described artists out there that hang out at the Metaphor Cafe and think that because their parents didn't give them a $20 increase in their allowance they have now explored the depths of human suffering and want to demonstrate it in poetry they defend by calling it avante gard.
Up until a single lift of an elevator, you were writing the Sci Fi War and Peace.
As soon as that elevator lifted, you turned it into a 5 year story composed entirely of Jack's poetry from Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Good job, you have no artistic integrity, and your ending sucks.
Deal with it.
I like this guy..or girl. Anyway....good post OP, I am definately bookmarking.
Oh and with whom do I speak to about the sunglasses...I never recieved mine.
#168
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:13
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Personal attacks against someone you -think- is to blame for the ending aren't really helpful, IMO.
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Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:14
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I agree. Good post.
Also, I luff Jack, but this made me laugh.
Vromrig wrote...
As soon as that elevator lifted, you turned it into a 5 year story composed entirely of Jack's poetry from Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Also, I luff Jack, but this made me laugh.
Modifié par KingNothing125, 06 avril 2012 - 01:15 .
#170
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:23
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You know those artists that love their artistic integrity over everything? They're called "unemployed".
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Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:24
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MintyCool wrote...
Vromrig wrote...
Deal with it.
How incredibly laughable. lol.
1. Shepard, war torn and exhausted, leaped into the crucibles energy source sacrificing his life to intertwine existences between synthetics and organics.
A few hours ago, this is how my tale ended after five years of Mass Effect; and I was quite satisfied with the ending.
2. The writing team behind Mass Effect 3 was able to elevate the narrative premise by weaving a philosophical debate about the relationship between organic and synthetic coexistence. The entire story throughout
the third addition is laced with the ideas of life, harmony, and self
preservation.
More than ever, the story has morphed into a game about big themes and big ideas.
Just some of the thoughts explored throughout this game...
EDI and free will, Synthetic dominance, Lineage, Genophage, Causality, Geth/quarian conflict, Determinism, Legacy - Miranda's father, Synchronicity and Kaiden, False Theology-Asari Prothean Gods, personal
fulfillment, etc.
Compared to the previous installments that may have skimmed over some of these topics, all the philosophical and
sociological debates/conflicts in this iteration have the main goal of bolstering the main theme of Mass Effect 3,
The existence of The Creators vs. The Created.
3. Two camps are formed because of this instance. The story the writers wish to tell, and the fans who feel entitled to observe the story they themselves envisioned.
The writers, it seems, realized the message that they wanted people to take from this third installment.
This had the team shifting the narrative focus to a more elevated dynamic.
The coexistence of Synthetics vs. Organics.
4. To this end, Mass Effect 3 succeeds in weaving a narrative from beginning to end. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
Philosophical themes trounce the Neanderthal-dopamine induced urges people wish to
see in this addition. Especially in the end game where this theme
becomes the stories main focal point.
Honestly is a cameo appearance from Wrex for the 50th time really going to add anything to the finality of this story?
No.
5. Unfortunately I find a Star Wars Syndrome happening with this series. A fan base digesting every bit of corn fructose they can gulp down. Needing everything to be spelled out; desperate to know every last bit
of information.
Why must one need to see Tali's face? Why do we need to know a detailed history of the Protheans? How come we need to see the Rachni and Krogan attack the enemy? Isn't the struggle of loss and war already inferred multiple times throughout the story? The focus of the end game is obviously being developed on a much deeper/different
theme.
Midichlorians anyone? You do not need to know how exactly the force works...
This desperate need to dig up plot holes and inconsistencies from the hard core is entirely unhealthy for the series and its fans. All stories have inconsistencies, stories you tell to your friends are punched up
exaggerations of what really happened. Your Facebook account is not a
mirror image of the life you lead, but the life you wish you lived.
You had the chance to say goodbye to the entire main cast in one way or another. Multiple times is it mentioned/inferred that all races are about to battle the Reapers.
Needing to know a detailed resolution of what happens to everyone in the galaxy only dilutes the
escapist reality the writers created.
Some things are better left to the imagination. Less is more and allowing the mind to explore
possibilities is one of the great strengths of human thought.
6. In the end, it would seem the Bioware writing team effectively succeeded in what they wanted to say in the Mass Effect saga. This is something I can respect. Instead of appeasing to the vocal mob; they
finished the story on their own terms.
Mass Effect became a tale about cultural synthesis. The Mass Effect team was finally able to find
this series a voice. Knowing this, makes me content that I have finished this series in its entirety; in the way it was meant to be seen.
And I enjoyed every minute of it: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037569
You know what's laughable? You keep posting the same sh*t in different threads as if your opinion is gospel and should be adhered to by all, meanwhile insulting anyone else who happens to disagree with you. Also it is laughable that in this entire thread, there may be one person (besides yourself) that thinks you're clever. lol
Get over yourself....seriously.
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Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:24
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Agreed OP. I'm becoming completely fed up with BioWare. I'm a firm believer in giving people a second chance, and I think pretty much everyone who was trying to get them to redo the ending is as well. We gave them a perfect opportunity to fix this mistake, many of us even being willing to pay for it.
Instead, they spit in our faces with "Artistic Vision" and "Artistic Integrity" despite blatant lies, and having said in the past that they "co-developed" Mass Effect with the fans. Clearly that was all bull****.
BioWare, you created one of, if not THE most stunning Sci-Fi worlds ever created. Then obliterated it in 5 minutes. That's pretty damn impressive, in a really bad way.
I'll see what they say at PAX, but I'm really doubting it will be anything positive. When this "Extended cut" comes out, I'll check it out, but again, I really doubt it will help at all.
Sorry BioWare, but your don't get to keep customers when you spit in their faces and treat them like garbage. Any BioWare and EA games that come out in the future, you can be quite certain I won't be paying for them. There are other companies that are very willing to actually listen to their fans, so I think I'll just take my money over there.
Instead, they spit in our faces with "Artistic Vision" and "Artistic Integrity" despite blatant lies, and having said in the past that they "co-developed" Mass Effect with the fans. Clearly that was all bull****.
BioWare, you created one of, if not THE most stunning Sci-Fi worlds ever created. Then obliterated it in 5 minutes. That's pretty damn impressive, in a really bad way.
I'll see what they say at PAX, but I'm really doubting it will be anything positive. When this "Extended cut" comes out, I'll check it out, but again, I really doubt it will help at all.
Sorry BioWare, but your don't get to keep customers when you spit in their faces and treat them like garbage. Any BioWare and EA games that come out in the future, you can be quite certain I won't be paying for them. There are other companies that are very willing to actually listen to their fans, so I think I'll just take my money over there.
#173
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:35
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OP is spot on.
And to the ten people who actually LIKE the ending, that's great. But this mockery is never going away. ME3 will always be remembered as the game that gimped a whole trilogy with lazy screenwriting and desperate stupidity.
And to the ten people who actually LIKE the ending, that's great. But this mockery is never going away. ME3 will always be remembered as the game that gimped a whole trilogy with lazy screenwriting and desperate stupidity.
#174
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:49
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Vromrig, you said like 8 things I want to quote into my sig, (but they wouldn't all fit).
*bump*
*bump*
#175
Posté 06 avril 2012 - 01:54
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Yeah, he does that. Seriously, when I see Vromrig post, it reminds me that Mordin Solus still lives!Spargle00 wrote...
Vromrig, you said like 8 things I want to quote into my sig, (but they wouldn't all fit).
Will you ever return to the Mordin mannerisms, Vromrig?
