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They wont get a single cent from me or my family again. They are still hiding behind that 'artistic integrity crap and not listening!!!. We don't want extended endings, we want endings that fit. We dont want this crap ending with plot holes big enough to drive the Death Star through.
The saddest part is, i was going to buy all the books and comics to this series before i saw the end.
All i can say now it too bad soo sad. Bioware is dead to me.
NEW MOVEMENT: (with)HOLD THE WALLET!
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#227
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:15
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The fact that we are getting anything astounds me.
I plan on buying DLC - I love the mass effect universe - and will support it even with its current ending.
I plan on buying DLC - I love the mass effect universe - and will support it even with its current ending.
#228
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:15
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I'll wait to see what kind of insult to my intelligence the free DLC represents, but the signs are I'll be (with)holding my wallet.
#230
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:17
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Oakshire wrote...
The fact that we are getting anything astounds me.
I plan on buying DLC - I love the mass effect universe - and will support it even with its current ending.
Actually you don´t have to pay anything since it´s free
#231
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:17
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LilyasAvalon wrote...
Is it going against the movement if I buy my boyfriend the story DLC for ME2? ._.
I would say just let usb his save to your console and let him play through it on yours.
#232
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:17
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Sad thing is; If everyone on BSN would stop buying Bioware products right now, it still wouldn't bring them down.
If anything, they'll just start to appease even further to the GoW/ CoD crowd. Far easier to appease.
They've won the war in the eyes of the world, by "giving us what we want"
They don't need to win it on this, far smaller scale.
All we had going for us there was some vague hope that Bioware would act on some sort of respect for it's long standing fans. In terms of money alone, they really don't need to give an eff about us.
And I'm afraid that's indeed the position they have taken
If anything, they'll just start to appease even further to the GoW/ CoD crowd. Far easier to appease.
They've won the war in the eyes of the world, by "giving us what we want"
They don't need to win it on this, far smaller scale.
All we had going for us there was some vague hope that Bioware would act on some sort of respect for it's long standing fans. In terms of money alone, they really don't need to give an eff about us.
And I'm afraid that's indeed the position they have taken
#233
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:18
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I support the retake cause I really do, and will go as far as to say that if you don't want to support Mass 3 anymore by not buying any of the upcoming DLC I can dig that, but to never buy another Bioware game? That just borders on childish ranting. If I lived by that logic I'd be plum out of companies to buy games from as every sigle one has done something I didn't agree with. I've been posting on websites for years and these threats are almost always hollow. The boycotters are always the first in line to buy the next game, and don't even tell me that if Mass Effect 4 is announced for the next gen consoles that you wouldn't atleast consider buying it. Lets be real folks. I support the Retake movement because it s a constructve outlet for us to show our love and support for the series. I don't support this type of activity because this is destructive and ultimately harms the very things we love.
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#234
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:19
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Never again will they get my money
#235
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:19
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I am very nearly at the point where I wont give them another penny
#236
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:19
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Let's see what they deliver first before complaining eh?
We might all be pleasantly surprised and if not we can always moan afterwards......
We might all be pleasantly surprised and if not we can always moan afterwards......
#237
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:20
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DevilBeast wrote...
Amagoi wrote...
Been part of this movement since I beat ME3. I've canceled my TOR sub, and cancelled pre-orders for Bioware products. They won't get a cent from me until the endings are changed, and not clarified.
So, you think that those who actually liked the endings should be screwed over just because you and some other vocal fans feel your toes have been stepped on??
Adding new endings would not effect those that like the currant endings. An ending that tells of starbrat and changes based on your war assets has the potential to make three or four new endings that would depend on your CHOICE. They could keep their artistic integrity, you keep the endings you like and the rest of us would have been, if not happy, satisfied that promises were kept.
#238
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:21
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Holding my wallet for now.
It will remain closed for business untill I see that free DLC with my own eyes, and then I'll either pay up, or GTFO.
It will remain closed for business untill I see that free DLC with my own eyes, and then I'll either pay up, or GTFO.
#239
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:22
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As I've said before, I don't plan on buying -anything- from Bioware, if possible not even from EA (meaning I'll be at least far more careful in the future and never pre-order anything again) unless and until the end of ME3 is changed in a satisfying way and for free.
What I want is a decent ending, with Shepard either winning or losing, depending on my choices. For some suggestions, see here, here, here or here. Not Shepard dying at the end and then someone else taking over in ME4, ME5, ME6 and ME Infinity, milking the franchise dry. Which is what I think we're headed for. If that final scene at the end that you can get is not Shepard waking up, it is either Shepard dying or some character we don't know yet getting up and picking up where Shepard left off. Why is that better? Because you can sell more games, that's why. But it is not a better story and not a proper ending to ME3 and I'm pretty sure this is not what they had in mind. If they were to say: Look, we're sorry, this isn't what we wanted, but what you guys want would require a whole new game," then please, take my money and make ME4 the true end of Shepard's story, where we can finish the game in a multitude of ways. But at least be honest about it and apologize for not delivering on your promises. I can respect an honest mistake, not an attempt to get more money out of me after producing something that falls so short of what so many of us had expected.
So, yay, we get free new content, but, boo, it only -explains- the endings. Well, I'm sorry, but that won't do. The ending we have here is beyond salvaging. As someone else already put it, it's like putting lipstick on a pig. It may look prettier, but it is still a pig. BTW, does anyone find it condescending that they are still treating this as if we're a minority? I highly doubt it. Where are all the 500+ page threads defending the endings? Doesn't Bioware see in their stats people are replaying ME3 significantly less? Because I can't believe that's not the case.
Worse, this game is -not- what we were promised, or at least not what many of us were expecting. I feel misled. I bought a game without a proper ending. I am a writer myself and I cringe at this kind of ending to a game like ME3 and would never want to taut this as the hallmark of my creative vision and stand for it so proudly that I'd refuse to end this. I would be excited to weave a story that could end in so many ways and I would be having half the fun writing it and half the fun seeing people appreciate the work I'd done when they see the ending to -their- version of the story. If the people at EA/Bioware can't see what they have done to their franchise, then so be it. But then I can't trust them with my money and I'll be damned if they get another cent of it.
I'll be sure to check out the content when it comes out. It is somewhat promising it will come out this summer and not sooner. That means they'll at least make an effort. It is also somewhat promising that Casey Hudson says tehy intend: "to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game in a way that will feel more personalized for each player." of course, right now we don't have -any- context nor clarity, so the only way is up. That the ending will "feel more personalized" is one of the main things we want. But all in all I'm pretty sure it'll not live up to my expectations and that I'll still be disappointed. Until then, I'm afraid I'm done with ME and I highly doubt I'll bother replaying the game if I can't get a satisfying conclusion to the game. I want to play with Shepard, to the finish, until the moment the Reapers drop out of the sky, one way or another. Nothing more, nothing less. If we don't get that, which does not seem to be the intention, then don't even bother, don't waste the time of everyone who has worked so hard for these games in getting them to make this extended cut. They did a marvelous job in making these games and that deserves our praise, with anything that doesn't live up to what we've had before. But the ending to ME3 is just bad and I don't need an explanation or an epilogue if all I end up with after dozens of hours of playtime is nothing more than a critical failure that I could have had after 30 minutes or so. Then please cut your losses and give us the tools we need to mod our own damned end to the game.
Do I sound angry? Of course. I feel like I've been had. I think EA/Bioware tried to pull a fast one and got caught, but doesn't want to do the right thing by admitting this and working to fully remedy the situation. I'm also mad at the tone of this announcement as I feel I'm not being taken seriously. I'm sorry, but I am an adult who has played computer games most of his life and still spends a lot of money on games and I am entitled to my opinion and I am not alone here as is clear for anyone to see. In the end, this may cost them dearly. How much negative attention has this already gotten them? Is this the end of the Mass Effect Franchise? If they don't play their cards right, it may be and if they don't make a real effort, it definitely will be for me. Yes, I will vote with my wallet, because it is the only way to show EA/Bioware that I mean what I am saying and I'm afraid it is the only way we will be taken seriously if after thousands of posts on this they still haven't gotten the message.
So I support all of you, the cupcake givers, the people who made artwork or a video or even a comic, all of you who are raging here on the forum or just stating their opinion and I will definitely stand by those who decide to vote with their wallets.
If this is fixed and my trust is restored, I'll be the first to tell everyone I know that this game is worth their time and money. Heck, I was ready to purchase it for a friend of mine as soon as I had gotten to the end and made sure it was up to my standards. But it isn't and doesn't look like it will be. So. Sad. Why? I don't understand. What a wasted opportunity..
What I want is a decent ending, with Shepard either winning or losing, depending on my choices. For some suggestions, see here, here, here or here. Not Shepard dying at the end and then someone else taking over in ME4, ME5, ME6 and ME Infinity, milking the franchise dry. Which is what I think we're headed for. If that final scene at the end that you can get is not Shepard waking up, it is either Shepard dying or some character we don't know yet getting up and picking up where Shepard left off. Why is that better? Because you can sell more games, that's why. But it is not a better story and not a proper ending to ME3 and I'm pretty sure this is not what they had in mind. If they were to say: Look, we're sorry, this isn't what we wanted, but what you guys want would require a whole new game," then please, take my money and make ME4 the true end of Shepard's story, where we can finish the game in a multitude of ways. But at least be honest about it and apologize for not delivering on your promises. I can respect an honest mistake, not an attempt to get more money out of me after producing something that falls so short of what so many of us had expected.
So, yay, we get free new content, but, boo, it only -explains- the endings. Well, I'm sorry, but that won't do. The ending we have here is beyond salvaging. As someone else already put it, it's like putting lipstick on a pig. It may look prettier, but it is still a pig. BTW, does anyone find it condescending that they are still treating this as if we're a minority? I highly doubt it. Where are all the 500+ page threads defending the endings? Doesn't Bioware see in their stats people are replaying ME3 significantly less? Because I can't believe that's not the case.
Worse, this game is -not- what we were promised, or at least not what many of us were expecting. I feel misled. I bought a game without a proper ending. I am a writer myself and I cringe at this kind of ending to a game like ME3 and would never want to taut this as the hallmark of my creative vision and stand for it so proudly that I'd refuse to end this. I would be excited to weave a story that could end in so many ways and I would be having half the fun writing it and half the fun seeing people appreciate the work I'd done when they see the ending to -their- version of the story. If the people at EA/Bioware can't see what they have done to their franchise, then so be it. But then I can't trust them with my money and I'll be damned if they get another cent of it.
I'll be sure to check out the content when it comes out. It is somewhat promising it will come out this summer and not sooner. That means they'll at least make an effort. It is also somewhat promising that Casey Hudson says tehy intend: "to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game in a way that will feel more personalized for each player." of course, right now we don't have -any- context nor clarity, so the only way is up. That the ending will "feel more personalized" is one of the main things we want. But all in all I'm pretty sure it'll not live up to my expectations and that I'll still be disappointed. Until then, I'm afraid I'm done with ME and I highly doubt I'll bother replaying the game if I can't get a satisfying conclusion to the game. I want to play with Shepard, to the finish, until the moment the Reapers drop out of the sky, one way or another. Nothing more, nothing less. If we don't get that, which does not seem to be the intention, then don't even bother, don't waste the time of everyone who has worked so hard for these games in getting them to make this extended cut. They did a marvelous job in making these games and that deserves our praise, with anything that doesn't live up to what we've had before. But the ending to ME3 is just bad and I don't need an explanation or an epilogue if all I end up with after dozens of hours of playtime is nothing more than a critical failure that I could have had after 30 minutes or so. Then please cut your losses and give us the tools we need to mod our own damned end to the game.
Do I sound angry? Of course. I feel like I've been had. I think EA/Bioware tried to pull a fast one and got caught, but doesn't want to do the right thing by admitting this and working to fully remedy the situation. I'm also mad at the tone of this announcement as I feel I'm not being taken seriously. I'm sorry, but I am an adult who has played computer games most of his life and still spends a lot of money on games and I am entitled to my opinion and I am not alone here as is clear for anyone to see. In the end, this may cost them dearly. How much negative attention has this already gotten them? Is this the end of the Mass Effect Franchise? If they don't play their cards right, it may be and if they don't make a real effort, it definitely will be for me. Yes, I will vote with my wallet, because it is the only way to show EA/Bioware that I mean what I am saying and I'm afraid it is the only way we will be taken seriously if after thousands of posts on this they still haven't gotten the message.
So I support all of you, the cupcake givers, the people who made artwork or a video or even a comic, all of you who are raging here on the forum or just stating their opinion and I will definitely stand by those who decide to vote with their wallets.
If this is fixed and my trust is restored, I'll be the first to tell everyone I know that this game is worth their time and money. Heck, I was ready to purchase it for a friend of mine as soon as I had gotten to the end and made sure it was up to my standards. But it isn't and doesn't look like it will be. So. Sad. Why? I don't understand. What a wasted opportunity..
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#240
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:23
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DevilBeast wrote...
Lilaeth wrote...
Changer the Elder wrote...
Mastermadskills wrote...
The man of myth wrote...
If you all are done with Bioware why do you continue to come here and complain?
Perhaps if they don't listen to reason they might listen to the sound of money running out their door.
Man, this is not the sound of money running out their door, this is the sound of teenagers wailing the world doesn't bend to their command in the exactly correct angle.
Many of us are far from teenagers!
Then why not act like an adult??
Being able to make informed decisions with your money is a sign of adulthood.
#241
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:24
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Sashimi_taco wrote...
Its really sad because I will spend money on almost anything at a drop of the hat. I actually hate the endings so much that I don't want to spend money on bioware products. I actually spent MORE money to get myself a Jacket that had the N7 stripe on it from another store that just happened to use the stripe instead of giving bioware money by buying their sweatshirt. That is how much I hate the endings and love the mass effect universe.
This!
I went ahead and made my own one instead of buying one from the BW store. It is actually closer to the ingame one too. GO ME!
#242
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:24
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I guess I'll have to wait and see. If I consider their next product to be a good value, I'll buy it.
#244
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:25
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This was the last game I bought from BioWare, maybe add a poll so we can see how many % in total.
#245
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:25
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As I already said in another thread...I´m in...
#246
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:27
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BARRAGE 74 wrote...
DevilBeast wrote...
Lilaeth wrote...
Changer the Elder wrote...
Mastermadskills wrote...
The man of myth wrote...
If you all are done with Bioware why do you continue to come here and complain?
Perhaps if they don't listen to reason they might listen to the sound of money running out their door.
Man, this is not the sound of money running out their door, this is the sound of teenagers wailing the world doesn't bend to their command in the exactly correct angle.
Many of us are far from teenagers!
Then why not act like an adult??
Being able to make informed decisions with your money is a sign of adulthood.
Yes, but so is comprehending what the word "free" means. Actually, even most children understand that word.
#247
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:30
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Oakshire wrote...
The fact that we are getting anything astounds me.
I plan on buying DLC - I love the mass effect universe - and will support it even with its current ending.
My opinion is that whatever clarification they are working on now should have been on the disk in the first place. It's crazy to think you would have been ready to pay for a few pictures, written text, and animations.
#248
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:30
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not just bioware EA. bioware can win me back but EA has lost me. i may buy bioware in the future dependent on thier actions but no other EA games or content.
#250
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:31
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DrDark101 wrote...
I support the retake cause I really do, and will go as far as to say that if you don't want to support Mass 3 anymore by not buying any of the upcoming DLC I can dig that, but to never buy another Bioware game? That just borders on childish ranting. If I lived by that logic I'd be plum out of companies to buy games from as every sigle one has done something I didn't agree with. ........
I don't support this type of activity because this is destructive and ultimately harms the very things we love.
It's far from childish - it's just the way consumerism works. Games are a product, just like shoes, clothes, handbags, televisions and consoles. If it sucks, people stop buying it. The company that makes it either changes their product into something decent and continues to survive, or it stubbornly sticks to what it has always done and made and goes out of business because people don't want to spend their hard earned money on crap.
The only way to harm something you love is to keep spending money on it and keep investing on it even when it produces complete crap. If we all keep spending money on BioWare when they produces ****, they'll keep producing ****.
