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[Yearlongjester]

DevilBeast wrote...

Yearlongjester wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
Yes, but so is comprehending what the word "free" means. Actually, even most children understand that word. 

Maybe, just maybe, they're talking about future products?

No, that can't be right. You couldn't continue being a smug, self-righteous troll if that were the case.

Maybe they are, but I still find this whole situation and "movement" idiotic especially considering that Bioware is actually handing them something instead of just ignoring them. Would you rather if they just let the ending be as it is now??
And since when has voicing your opinon been the same as trolling?? Guess, you must be troll too..

The ending will remain as it is now, Bioware's just trying to explain how it's not a mess and is totally and completely artistic.

And people have explained that they are talking about future products, we are aware that the upcoming DLC is free. Afterwards you stoop to petty insults that don't help a damn thing, it seems like you're just being obstinate. Still, I shouldn't have called you a troll, my apologies.

[Mad Man Mac]

I just cancelled my subscirption with TOR... I'm done. Gave them my reason behind it.
Basically told them they screwed the pooch with ME3's ending and that I'm done giving both EA and Bioware my money. If these games were made with rthe aid of the players then we should have had some input on the ending.

I'm done!

[TheCinC]

Daodan wrote...

This topic, it blows my mind.
This has gone too far. You're now sabotaging this company.

Stop being such overzealous fanatics. Seriously, 'yall have lost track of what you're fighting for. You've stopped being sensible.

Overzealous fanatics? No. We're just honest. If I buy a book and then find out it doesn't contain the final chapter, but that I can buy it in a few months time, will I ever buy a book from that writer or that publisher again? Don't think so. If I buy an expensive TV, but I get home and want to plug it in, but it doesn't contain an extension cord and I have to wait a few months to get one, will I return it? Of course.

Unfortunately, considering the terms under which I bought this game, I can't return it. Otherwise I would. That is how disappointed I am.

No, I am not sabotaging EA/Bioware. They are doing so themselves, by not delivering on their promises and making it worse by claiming they did a wonderful job and we just need to wait for their explanation. I am warning them that this approach won't win me over, that I feel like I'm being talked down to and that I won't be buying products from them again if they insist on moving forward in this direction. I'm warning them that this is not a workable business practice, hoping they'll see they won't profit from this but that they may save the Mass Effect franchise by giving us what they want, which is only what they promised us.

I bought and paid for the Collector's Edition. They already have my money. So why can't they deliver the product we were promised?

[Disciple888]

withholding the wallet

[RebelByDesign]

I feel belittled as a supporter of the company, but emotions aside, I'm also deeply unsatisfied as a customer and will not be buying further EA/Bioware products.

[bryceax]

I won't buy ME3 DLC until the extended material is released; if it doesn't fix the ending then I still wont buy DLC for the game. I will buy different BioWare games though if they intrest me.

[tateel99]

Will not buy any future Mass Effect universe products.

Cancelled SWTOR sub after today's announcement.

For DA I am only sure I won't buy any products that feature Felicia Day.

[The Great and Powerful Trixie]

Is something like this okay, OP?

[MintyCool]

EA has put Retake in Checkmate!

Modifié par MintyCool, 05 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[Xrissie]

Alright, this is just pathetic now. I could support the 'Retake' movement because they had valid arguments, but this is just too much. Actively trying to put a company out of business because there was a small thing about one of their games you didn't like?

But I'm going to shut up and give Bioware my money. I loved ME3, and now that they're going to add some closure to it, I'm happy.

[ynh]

MintyCool wrote...

EA has put Retake in Checkmate!

Not really

EA is beholden to money. They need it to function. If they notice that their DLC isn't selling as well as projected, you can bet that Retake will have an effect.

[DevilBeast]

sol7402 wrote...

Not buying future products or non-free dlc when we are dissatisfied with a current product is not childish, and is not sabotage. It is simply acting as consumer should. Let me make this simple. I purchased and was excited for Bioware games in the past. As the quality of those games met or exceeded my expectations, I continued purchasing Bioware games. I even gave them a couple mulligans (witch hunt, DA2). Now they have exhausted my consumer goodwill, and have gone from "must-buy" to "must-avoid". If you are too childish to understand how money works, then please continue to comment on how childish consumerism is, and how adults really act.

If the DLC has already been released and the content was still crap, then I would understand your sentiment. But so far it hasn´t been released, only announced.
So, wouldn´t it be more wise to brace yourself with patience and see what the new content is all about before starting a new movement against Bioware?? 

[Sohlito]

Opsrbest wrote...

Your line is broken.

Your Enemies are on your flanks.

You have no escape.

You have no advance.

You have no where to go.

^ Comments like this do more to continue the ridiculousness of this situation.

As for the topic at hand, as I have stated I will wait and see. If it still makes no sense then I will take my business elsewhere, as is my right as a respectful consumer.

Most also plan on doing something similar, so is there really a need for a movement?

[ynh]

Xrissie wrote...

Alright, this is just pathetic now. I could support the 'Retake' movement because they had valid arguments, but this is just too much. Actively trying to put a company out of business because there was a small thing about one of their games you didn't like?

But I'm going to shut up and give Bioware my money. I loved ME3, and now that they're going to add some closure to it, I'm happy.

Nobody here wants to put hundreds of employees out of business, but understand that if people aren't satisfied with the product, they don't have to buy it. Calling the endings a "small" mistake is not truthful (for most retakers). You are free to continue doing business with them however.

Modifié par ynh, 05 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[Diablos2525]

Xrissie wrote...

Alright, this is just pathetic now. I could support the 'Retake' movement because they had valid arguments, but this is just too much. Actively trying to put a company out of business because there was a small thing about one of their games you didn't like?

But I'm going to shut up and give Bioware my money. I loved ME3, and now that they're going to add some closure to it, I'm happy.

Day one dlc, false advertising, outright lies "We're listening", milking of consumers, forcing the use of Origin, face import non-existant, etc,etc. How are these "little things"?

[Diablos2525]

DevilBeast wrote...

sol7402 wrote...

Not buying future products or non-free dlc when we are dissatisfied with a current product is not childish, and is not sabotage. It is simply acting as consumer should. Let me make this simple. I purchased and was excited for Bioware games in the past. As the quality of those games met or exceeded my expectations, I continued purchasing Bioware games. I even gave them a couple mulligans (witch hunt, DA2). Now they have exhausted my consumer goodwill, and have gone from "must-buy" to "must-avoid". If you are too childish to understand how money works, then please continue to comment on how childish consumerism is, and how adults really act.

If the DLC has already been released and the content was still crap, then I would understand your sentiment. But so far it hasn´t been released, only announced.
So, wouldn´t it be more wise to brace yourself with patience and see what the new content is all about before starting a new movement against Bioware?? 

If you put sprinkles on a turd, and explain the origin of a turd, is it still a turd?

[sagouro]

"Reason for cancelling your swtor subscription" :
Other : Mass Effect 3' ending and its announced "clarification" are unacceptable.
Cutting all ties with your company as a customer.

[TERASQUE]

Believing BioWare will fix the ending... Heavy risk....but the LIIIEES!

Im keeping my cash, thank you!

[TheCinC]

Xrissie wrote...

Alright, this is just pathetic now. I could support the 'Retake' movement because they had valid arguments, but this is just too much. Actively trying to put a company out of business because there was a small thing about one of their games you didn't like?

But I'm going to shut up and give Bioware my money. I loved ME3, and now that they're going to add some closure to it, I'm happy.

I am not putting a company out of business, but maybe someone at EA/Bioware is. You can't let a game like this end in this way and expect all fans to be extatic about this, then announce the ending will be explained when an outcry like this results. As far as I know, this is unprecedented and I'm sure EA/Bioware knows how serious this is. They have a benefit from responding to this properly and not applying a bandaid that won't appease anyone. I'm trying to let them know they have to do better than giving explanations for the ending they gave us. This won't do, or else they'll most likely finish the franchise prematurely. That would be a waste and could lead to ME4 not selling well, which might bring down Bioware or even EA.

Also, please, by all means, buy any product from them that you like. Why would anything be wrong with that? You don't have to agree with us. But try to understand that some of us really feel we've been shortchanged with ME3 and that we can't trust a product from a company that delivers on their promises so poorly. We just don't want to make the same mistake twice.

[Changer the Elder]

Don't like a product? Don't buy it. Don't like a company? Don't support it. But for the sake of internet, don't run around this place and post the same stuff twenty times over (yes, some of you do). Being unsatisfied is your right.
But live with the fact that a lot of people will comment on you having a foreign object (of a roughly cranial shape) stuck in your cloaca.

[Diablos2525]

TERASQUE wrote...

Believing BioWare will fix the ending... Heavy risk....but the LIIIEES!

Im keeping my cash, thank you!

[nikki191]

im not the customer bioware wants, im not the demographic they market to anymore. time to show my support for companies that make the products i want to use that treat the consumers with respect.

actually if anyone is curious the vote with your wallet to change corporate practice is summed up nicely in a free doc on the net called ethos

[DevilBeast]

Yearlongjester wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Yearlongjester wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
Yes, but so is comprehending what the word "free" means. Actually, even most children understand that word. 

Maybe, just maybe, they're talking about future products?

No, that can't be right. You couldn't continue being a smug, self-righteous troll if that were the case.

Maybe they are, but I still find this whole situation and "movement" idiotic especially considering that Bioware is actually handing them something instead of just ignoring them. Would you rather if they just let the ending be as it is now??
And since when has voicing your opinon been the same as trolling?? Guess, you must be troll too..

The ending will remain as it is now, Bioware's just trying to explain how it's not a mess and is totally and completely artistic.

And people have explained that they are talking about future products, we are aware that the upcoming DLC is free. Afterwards you stoop to petty insults that don't help a damn thing, it seems like you're just being obstinate. Still, I shouldn't have called you a troll, my apologies.

Could it be (yes, I know most of you doubt it, even I doubt it a little myself, but hope has never hurt anyone has it??) that Bioware will actually make the ending better with the new DLC?? I know the opposite argument is just as valid, but so is the other. As I´ve already stated in another post: If the DLC turns out to be just polished crap; polished but still crap, then I would understand your anger and frustration.
But as it is now, the whole thing is up in the air and noone knows where it will land.
So why not try to be patient and see what Bioware has in store for us. I mean, they did make perhaps the best game series in existence, so they must have done something right.

Apology accepted. And thank you

[DrDark101]

ynh wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

EA has put Retake in Checkmate!

Not really

EA is beholden to money. They need it to function. If they notice that their DLC isn't selling as well as projected, you can bet that Retake will have an effect.

This is true, but it only works if people are serious about it, and historically most boycotts don't work because they are threats made by fans who know full well that they won't actually go through with it. Bioware knows this, EA knows this. Will they lose some fans? Yes. Will it be enough to really hurt them? Probably not. I respect people feeling burned and not wanting to get emotionally invested again. I simply have a wait and see attitude. 

On a side note. How quickly a little news about something we dont know the content of can set people on the same side against each other. People who were once level headed question asking fans have developed a mob like mentality of kill it and everything who isn't strictly with "us" with fire. This actually doesnt help the Retake cause at all and only proves those who called us "entitled whiners" right.

Modifié par DrDark101, 05 avril 2012 - 08:08 .