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[Dia2blo]

Vasparian wrote...

Dia2blo wrote...

Right, so taking feedback and releasing a free extended ending isn't enough?

Seriously people need to get over it. Also, keep your money, at least there won't be as many "entitled" people whining when the next little thing that doesn't please them happens.

I love sheep like you. Bioware and certain video game sites toss out the word "entitled", and you just parrot it back. You can't think for yourself. 

So jumping on to the bandwagon of raging at a developer who doesn't deliver on "promises" makes you any different?

If we were to demand changes in every such situation, Peter Molyneux would have made hundreds of DLC endings by now...

Also yes I realise my comment was slightly petty and perhaps I shouldn't have come into this thread at all; i'm just shocked that people are still raging about this and starting "movements". Seems childish at this point is all. You can't honestly expect them to change the ending. 

[Mastermadskills]

Opsrbest wrote...

You mean the one where 10 random people got to rush the mic and asked entirely stupid questions where people on this very forum stated that they were plants, it was Bioware controlling the Panel and whatever else people felt like indulging themselves in. The very one that had the best coverage from Koataku?

That one. Where fan speculation made up 90% of the postings afterwards about how the fans got controlled by Bioware. The panel where they ........... shock and suprise ............ actually did discuss the ending and the Extended Cut DLC?

Because if that's the one then abso-abso-lutly they blanket banned every aspect of all things ending related.

Bioware picked the questions to answer, if I remember clearly.  An officer from our movement was trying to ask them questions online in a chat room directed at the PAX pannel.  He was banned for asking about the ending, and others report likewise.  His comments on being banned from the chatroom are within this very thread, I believe.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 01:10 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Opsrbest wrote...

You mean the one where 10 random people got to rush the mic and asked entirely stupid questions where people on this very forum stated that they were plants, it was Bioware controlling the Panel and whatever else people felt like indulging themselves in. The very one that had the best coverage from Koataku?

That one. Where fan speculation made up 90% of the postings afterwards about how the fans got controlled by Bioware. The panel where they ........... shock and suprise ............ actually did discuss the ending and the Extended Cut DLC?

Because if that's the one then abso-abso-lutly they blanket banned every aspect of all things ending related.

It's obvious you're convinced that everything Bioware does is right.   Personally, I can accept that you disagree.  But let's be honest about things, with the majority of people being there to talk about the ending, and wanting to talk about how extending the ending falls short, and very few, if any such questions getting through, you can't blame people for saying PAX was rigged.

No one can prove beyond a doubt that it was, but it seems extremely likely.

[Makkaveli101]

Dia2blo wrote...

Right, so taking feedback and releasing a free extended ending isn't enough?

Seriously people need to get over it. Also, keep your money, at least there won't be as many "entitled" people whining when the next little thing that doesn't please them happens.

A "special edition" ending, an alternate ending, is what most paying customers want.  The ending is just plain awful.  People have never complained about the end of the game as much as they have about this one.  I don't think it would set a precedent where people would whine and moan everytime they didn't agree with a narrative in a game -- it's just that this is an exceptionally atrocious ending to three fine games.

[Mastermadskills]

One final reminder:


Please keep any posts in this thread courteous, intelligently-minded, and polite.

We are all human, we all have feelings, and I would advocate that we treat one another likewise.


Thank you.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[DJBare]

balance5050 wrote...
Hey guys, is it bad that I bought a copy of this game for 360, PS3 and PC? I'll probably get DLC for all three platforms as well.

Not at all, you made a choice how "you" want to spend your money, in the end it is about choice, some have "chosen" not to support Bioware by withholding their "own" money.

[davishepard]

Maybe you should not support Bioware by not being on their forums.
Would be a win-win situation.
I never saw a forum dedicated to a game being a place for it's haters.

Modifié par davishepard, 10 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...
I never saw a forum dedicated to a game being a place for it's haters.

The forums are provided to allow feedback, so long as that feedback is not abusive then they get the good with the bad.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Dia2blo wrote...

So jumping on to the bandwagon of raging at a developer who doesn't deliver on "promises" makes you any different?

If we were to demand changes in every such situation, Peter Molyneux would have made hundreds of DLC endings by now...

Also yes I realise my comment was slightly petty and perhaps I shouldn't have come into this thread at all; i'm just shocked that people are still raging about this and starting "movements". Seems childish at this point is all. You can't honestly expect them to change the ending. 

He should not have called you a sheep, but dismissing a serious attempt at constructive capitalism as childish isn't any better.

Is it really childish to feel that as a customer, you should have a say, and not simply get an agenda geared towards making you accept what you don't want (the current ending in this case)?

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Opsrbest wrote...

Oh, so it's not even the panel itself..... but a chat room.

That's just. ......... wonderful.

At this point, you look like you're just trying to twist anything we say against us.   Do you really find it that bothersome that people wanna band together and vote with their wallets?

[Mastermadskills]

davishepard wrote...

Maybe you should not support Bioware by not being on their forums.
Would be a win-win situation.
I never saw a forum dedicated to a game being a place for it's haters.

This forum is the heart of the Hold The Line movement, and IMHO there wasn't a better place to kick-start this movement.

We will be gaining a Facebook page today, along with a Twitter account.  We will also be raising a website to our cause as well.

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...
Maybe you should not support Bioware by not being on their forums.
Would be a win-win situation.
I never saw a forum dedicated to a game being a place for it's haters.

Oh and btw, the opposite of love is "indifference"; hate means you still care.

[davishepard]

If you care, why are you doing this? You really think that this movement can achieve something? "You didn't listened to our reasoning (you mean, your demands, right?), you will listen to our wallets (threaths, you mean)".
That's not the way to go.

[Shadowwot]

I think BioWare has the worst marketing in the industry; but I loved ME3 and BioWare has consistantly been one of my favorite developers over the years.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

davishepard wrote...

If you care, why are you doing this? You really think that this movement can achieve something? "You didn't listened to our reasoning (you mean, your demands, right?), you will listen to our wallets (threaths, you mean)".
That's not the way to go.

Only with-holding business has the potential to make a difference.  Protesting and giving feedback clearly haven't worked.  

[Dia2blo]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Dia2blo wrote...

So jumping on to the bandwagon of raging at a developer who doesn't deliver on "promises" makes you any different?

If we were to demand changes in every such situation, Peter Molyneux would have made hundreds of DLC endings by now...

Also yes I realise my comment was slightly petty and perhaps I shouldn't have come into this thread at all; i'm just shocked that people are still raging about this and starting "movements". Seems childish at this point is all. You can't honestly expect them to change the ending. 

He should not have called you a sheep, but dismissing a serious attempt at constructive capitalism as childish isn't any better.

Is it really childish to feel that as a customer, you should have a say, and not simply get an agenda geared towards making you accept what you don't want (the current ending in this case)?

Of course I feel that we should get what we want... To an extent. There is the old cliched saying that "the customer is always right." (or in this case the consumer.) However in my experience that's not entirely fair, as you can't cater to every customer's wants and needs.

At the end of the day, if, in your opinion, Bioware ballsed up the ending... So what? That sucks, woops! I'm pretty sure they're feeling it now and at least they're bothering to make DLC at all. Perhaps i'm being brainwashed or some other crap but I just don't understand why people are still worked up. Yes, it shows that people love ME and are passionate blah blah blah. At the end of the day though, it's just the way it is. Obviously Bioware thought they were being clever by encouraging "speculation" but instead they just annoyed everyone. The end. Oh well. I'm sure they won't do it again considering the backlash it's caused, so not buying any future games is in reality just going to stop you from getting a lot of potential enjoyment out of what i'm sure will be some awesome games.

Seriously, ten minutes of "bad" ending doesn't stop me from loving KOTOR, DA, JE and ME. They're all awesome games.

Again, i'm probably a fanboy or agent of Bioware... Or whatever. Or I just don't care that much to not spend money when it just seems redundant.

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...

If you care, why are you doing this? You really think that this movement can achieve something? "You didn't listened to our reasoning (you mean, your demands, right?), you will listen to our wallets (threaths, you mean)".
That's not the way to go.

I cannot speak for most others as I'm not a fan, I'm a consumer of entertainment, the service in this case was not upto par, so therefore I withhold my money until the free extended DLC is released, then I will make my informed decision on whether to spend more on this company.

[Mastermadskills]

davishepard wrote...

If you care, why are you doing this? You really think that this movement can achieve something? "You didn't listened to our reasoning (you mean, your demands, right?), you will listen to our wallets (threaths, you mean)".
That's not the way to go.

We do not make threats.

We are a group of intelligently minded people who have realized that the most direct means to gain the attention of Bioware and EA is to "vote with our wallets."

This group is a group of people who have decided to withhold hard-fought dollars in light of the mishaps and fumblings of Bioware as a whole within the last several years.

And yes, I think this movement will achieve more than anyone expects.  We have some very big plans for the future of this movement.  Those plans will only serve to draw more attention to our voices from the Gaming Community,  Bioware, and even the Media at large.

Modifié par Mastermadskills, 10 avril 2012 - 01:33 .

[Blazerer]

Opsrbest wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Mastermadskills wrote...

Suppose that each member decided to boycot two future games for Bioware, with each game costing $70.00.


TOTAL LOST REVENUE TO BIOWARE/EA:

($140 x 600members) =    This movement, in four days, has the potential to cost Bioware $84,000 bucks!

You really think people would hold up to that?

Also I don't understand what the need is for a new movement. You can't play nice with the old one?


And what occurs in 4 days?????

I'm sorry, I didn't clarify.  Our movement here has only been in existence for four days, and has totaled nearly 600 members.

I
grant you that the number of lost future revenue is probably lower than
that.  I'm a reasonable person and what you say is logical.

As
for the needing a new movement:  We have tried everything.  Everyone has
tried to give Bioware feedback, yet they still continue to ignore us
and thumb their noses at us.  I created ths movement because it holds
the most potential, out of everything, to get Bioware to pay attention.

MasterMadSkills,
Founder of HTW.

So ......... because they aren't doing what you want they are ignoring you .... riiiiiight ........

If you watched the PAX pannel and the blanket-ban of all things ending related...

Yes, I and hundreds of others believe that they are!

You
mean the one where 10 random people got to rush the mic and asked
entirely stupid questions where people on this very forum stated that
they were plants, it was Bioware controlling the Panel and whatever else
people felt like indulging themselves in. The very one that had the
best coverage from Koataku?

That one. Where fan speculation made
up 90% of the postings afterwards about how the fans got controlled by
Bioware. The panel where they ........... shock and suprise ............
actually did discuss the ending and the Extended Cut DLC?

Because if that's the one then abso-abso-lutly they blanket banned every aspect of all things ending related.

in that case, be so kind to give us some footage of Bioware discussing the endings, no? ok, how about naming anyone, just 1 person, who can testify that he's been there, and clearly heard Bioware openly and without bias discussing the answer. another no? how...disappointing

now I will give actual proof:

"Our PAX panel will not be discussing the issue in any further detail than today's announcement" -Jessica Merizan

today's announcement:
'The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned'
even though over 65 thousand people already proved in a poll that the ending ITSELF had to be changed, that is not even mentioning the hundreds of thousand of people that made topics and post on the subject

proof #3
'Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community
members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned
from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer
welcomed.'
Look at the so called 'we are listening' topic. Plenty of hating, name calling and personal attacks on Bioware and Bioware employees by the less civilised members of our protest

so...strange, that apperently Bioware forgots to check these posts time after time again, however DOES read the entire topic. Sound perfectly logical to you, huh?

DJBare wrote...

davishepard wrote...
Maybe you should not support Bioware by not being on their forums.
Would be a win-win situation.
I
never saw a forum dedicated to a game being a place for it's
haters.

Oh and btw, the opposite of love is "indifference"; hate
means you still care.

I had a discussion about this once, my choice remains that the opposite of love is apathy. it remains up to debate though ^^

Modifié par Blazerer, 10 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[DJBare]

Gotta love how folk pad out their posts with massive pyramid quotes so they don't get missed.

[Mastermadskills]

OPSRBEST:

First, I would like to apologize for any hate you have received by being here.

Second, I would like to respectfully disagree with your stance, but acknowledge that you have intelligence and reason.

You are a smart man. This we know. It is displayed by your logical thinking and reduction of ideas into distinct statements.

But please, keep it civil. Thank you.