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#1676
Evan Belmont

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There have been quite a few disappointing turns recently. I was actually one of those people when faced with the DA2 disappointment that brushed it off, blamed it on EA's intervention, and assumed they would learn their lesson because of the controversy that followed. For those who think we are overreacting this time, think back on DA2, and see where our simple expression of disappointment followed by "wait and see" got us. It got us the ME3 ending. I was fooled once, and had faith. Fooled twice here with ME3. Enough is enough. I still had faith that maybe, just maybe, they would listen this time because of the sheer size and passion of the response, but it isn't looking that way. Their eyes are still fixated upon the bottom line. The Collector's Editions have already been purchased. The regular copies have already been purchased. However, because of word of mouth alone I have already prevented probably half a dozen friends from making the purchase at all. It's too late for me to affect the bottom line directly now, but Bioware will certainly make more DLC, and certainly release other games. It would have been a guaranteed purchase from me regardless, with all the bells and whistles available, but not now.

I'd advise everyone reading to do the same. When you are a business that offers a product in any other industry, the satisfaction the customers have with your product is central to the way you produce the product and run your company, but somewhere along the line the video game industry put a foot in the door and claim this foundation principle does not apply to them any longer. Show them it does, and let them know that's exactly what you intend to do by joining this movement. As soon as the bottom line finally budges, and make no mistake it inevitably will, EArs will suddenly regain their ability to hear.

Modifié par Evan Belmont, 15 avril 2012 - 11:03 .


#1677
The_Crazy_Hand

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Gaddmeister wrote...

I doubt I will buy any more games in the ME or DA series (for different reasons). At least I definitely won't buy at launch, that's for sure.

However, is it really necessary to start a "movement" to encourage people not to buy? I thought it was the natural reaction anyway when you're not entirely satisfied with a product.


It can act as a bonding mechanism, and also helps to give the company a gauge of just how much money they are missing out on if a lot of people sign up.

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Evan Belmont wrote...

There have been quite a few disappointing turns recently. I was actually one of those people when faced with the DA2 disappointment that brushed it off, blamed it on EA's intervention, and assumed they would learn their lesson because of the controversy that followed. For those who think we are overreacting this time, think back on DA2, and see where our simple expression of disappointment followed by "wait and see" got us. It got us the ME3 ending. I was fooled once, and had faith. Fooled twice here with ME3. Enough is enough. I still had faith that maybe, just maybe, they would listen this time because of the sheer size and passion of the response, but it isn't looking that way. Their eyes are still fixated upon the bottom line. The Collector's Editions have already been purchased. The regular copies have already been purchased. However, because of word of mouth alone I have already prevented probably half a dozen friends from making the purchase at all. It's too late for me to affect the bottom line directly now, but Bioware will certainly make more DLC, and certainly release other games. It would have been a guaranteed purchase from me regardless, with all the bells and whistles available, but not now.

I'd advise everyone reading to do the same. When you are a business that offers a product in any other industry, the satisfaction the customers have with your product is central to the way you produce the product and run your company, but somewhere along the line the video game industry put a foot in the door and claim this foundation principle does not apply to them any longer. Show them it does, and let them know that's exactly what you intend to do by joining this movement. As soon as the bottom line finally budges, and make no mistake it inevitably will, EArs will suddenly regain their ability to hear.


:o That was amazing!

#1679
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Just checked our group page - 800 members! :o

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I will not be buying any Bioware products again. I also actively practice warning prospective buyers against buying any bioware products. It's pretty easy to ward gamers away from Bioware considering the running list of shenanigans they've pulled recently.

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animallover11 wrote...

Just checked our group page - 800 members! :o


thats awesome, if only those that hated the ending but dont come onto forums/polls could join aswell.

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clarkusdarkus wrote...

thats awesome, if only those that hated the ending but dont come onto forums/polls could join aswell.


This is why I like to emphasize our group's need to branch out, post our tagline on news articles, and post with our banner and stuff on related forums.  BSN alone will likely get us no more than 2000-3000 in the long run.   A good way to give Bioware a gauge, no doubt, and that's something.  But if we want more widespread attention............

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The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

thats awesome, if only those that hated the ending but dont come onto forums/polls could join aswell.


This is why I like to emphasize our group's need to branch out, post our tagline on news articles, and post with our banner and stuff on related forums.  BSN alone will likely get us no more than 2000-3000 in the long run.   A good way to give Bioware a gauge, no doubt, and that's something.  But if we want more widespread attention............


I've been doing and will continue to do so, and everyone else should as well!
Also, welcome, new members! Glad to have you here! :D

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Well, I'm off to bed everyone, so good night! ^_^
(And for the record, unlike OldSwede, I don't come back until the next day! :P )

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I just want to congradulate everyone on the fact that we hit the 800 member marker. If you put in the cost of an new game and $10 worth of DLC, we are costing Bw $56,000 at least. Good job guys.

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Here me too, no one more cent for me euro boy. My money stay here and If I have spent no EA+BW thanks. I dont like this kind of "art", I want the original ME with a good ending and free because I paid it already.

Modifié par Cyber Raul, 16 avril 2012 - 01:07 .


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Darth Spike wrote...

I just want to congradulate everyone on the fact that we hit the 800 member marker. If you put in the cost of an new game and $10 worth of DLC, we are costing Bw $56,000 at least. Good job guys.


Hopefully more will open their eyes and join.

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animallover11 wrote...

I've been doing and will continue to do so, and everyone else should as well!
Also, welcome, new members! Glad to have you here! :D


I'm sure you have, you've put in more work for the group than anyone this weekend and it is VERY appreciated. :D

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Waldschatten wrote...

I'd rather be here, slipped away from watching Nick Jr with my kid for a bit, nice day though so we're going out.

Not that I don't like spending time with my kid, but when are they old enough to watch TV shows that don't make you want to put an icepick through your ears?

Been a while since it wasn't 20F and snowing here :)


my son is 1 and just started watching elmo.  so im starting to reach for the icepick but not there yet.

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dezpinato wrote...

my son is 1 and just started watching elmo.  so im starting to reach for the icepick but not there yet.


Mine is also 1 year old.  He's a great kid.................usually.

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Evan Belmont

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Hopefully folks will realize that this is the one and only way to make EA listen and jump on board with this.

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Evan Belmont wrote...

There have been quite a few disappointing turns recently. I was actually one of those people when faced with the DA2 disappointment that brushed it off, blamed it on EA's intervention, and assumed they would learn their lesson because of the controversy that followed. For those who think we are overreacting this time, think back on DA2, and see where our simple expression of disappointment followed by "wait and see" got us. It got us the ME3 ending. I was fooled once, and had faith. Fooled twice here with ME3. Enough is enough. I still had faith that maybe, just maybe, they would listen this time because of the sheer size and passion of the response, but it isn't looking that way. Their eyes are still fixated upon the bottom line. The Collector's Editions have already been purchased. The regular copies have already been purchased. However, because of word of mouth alone I have already prevented probably half a dozen friends from making the purchase at all. It's too late for me to affect the bottom line directly now, but Bioware will certainly make more DLC, and certainly release other games. It would have been a guaranteed purchase from me regardless, with all the bells and whistles available, but not now.

I'd advise everyone reading to do the same. When you are a business that offers a product in any other industry, the satisfaction the customers have with your product is central to the way you produce the product and run your company, but somewhere along the line the video game industry put a foot in the door and claim this foundation principle does not apply to them any longer. Show them it does, and let them know that's exactly what you intend to do by joining this movement. As soon as the bottom line finally budges, and make no mistake it inevitably will, EArs will suddenly regain their ability to hear.


Well said. They win the short-term, but not the long-term. Meanwhile, other companies, like old-Bioware will continue to spring up, and die, and spring up again. We as the consumer just have to pick and choose more carefully, that's all.

Unfortunately, I agree with you 100%. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Add to the fact that poor response, PR bull and seemingly lack of care for their loyal fanbase and game (patches, bugs, etc.) we should stop giving them our money.

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Hey guys, here is the link to the latest Forbes article.

http://www.forbes.co...o-game-history/

Isn't it funny that all of the gaming articles are trying to discredit us but Frobes is on our side. I never thought i would see the day. Even if Forbes is just doing it for publicity, they are still helping our movement. I have to give them propes for that.

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Waldschatten

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The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Mine is also 1 year old.  He's a great kid.................usually.


I take it you're starting to see that evil little grin :) If you aren't, rest assured it will start to show up soon enough.

Mine loves to see just how close she can get to being in trouble without actually landing there.

Definitely her father's daughter.

At least she hasn't told me it was her "artistic integrity" that inspired her to break something, but she has got to the point of purposfully misrepresenting what someone said to make it sound good.

Still, I've heard her playing make believe, I have little doubt that she could have written a better ending for ME3..

Modifié par Waldschatten, 16 avril 2012 - 05:44 .


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The_Crazy_Hand

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Waldschatten wrote...

I take it you're starting to see that evil little grin :) If you aren't, rest assured it will start to show up soon enough.

Mine loves to see just how close she can get to being in trouble without actually landing there.

Definitely her father's daughter.

At least she hasn't told me it was her "artistic integrity" that inspired her to break something, but she has got to the point of purposfully misrepresenting what someone said to make it sound good.

Still, I've heard her playing make believe, I have little doubt that she could have written a better ending for ME3..


Mine does that too, except for the misrepresentation part.  As long as he doesn't try and tell me that a video game I'm playing is too video-gamey, I'm good.

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Additionally, before DA2, there was also Neverwinter Nights 2's ending.

Text box to say that the half the party and my love interest died in a dungeon cave in after I slew the main boss.

http://www.gamegrene.com/node/714

Modifié par Oxtail Soup, 16 avril 2012 - 06:10 .


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Oxtail Soup wrote...

Additionally, before DA2, there was also Neverwinter Nights 2's ending.

Text box to say that the half the party and my love interest died in a dungeon cave in after I slew the main boss.

http://www.gamegrene.com/node/714


Sad, just sad.  This has been going on for years I guess.

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and thats why we have to act! show the gaming industry, that big and mighty as they might be, they are still no match for a unified consumer's front. We're being lied to for the sake of marketing. When complained we get shoved off with cheap PR tricks, or downright ridiculed.

This is NOT how you run a business that needs a fanbase

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Just joined this group. I agree with everything it stands for. Until EA/Bioware prove themselves they won't see another dollar from me.

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EA is rumored to lay off 500-1000 workers according to new Kotaku article.