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Dusty Arne wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

If reunification requires me to commit genocide... then I guess I'm going to die. Killing off a sentient species, organic or synthetic, is a massive no-no for me.


I guess it doesn't matter. I got vapourised in the blue ending; they only they can reunite with is my ashes, I guess.



EDI found a body to live in..


I see no reason why the blue ending Shepard cant find one...

or?


edi doesnt live in that body, shes still on the ship inside servers, she is beamed into the body with an open comm link of some kind, she tells you this after you activate her if you ask her if shes in the body.

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bump this is awesome

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wright1978 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Avissel wrote...

I find it oddly disconcerting how many people are perfectly happy with murdering the Geth and edi in order to get back together with their LI


I'm not happy about it, and my reason wasn't for my LI.

Destroy is the only option that guarantees the Reapers can't possibly come back to Reap again.

I don't trust Starchild that Shep can Control the Reapers forever. And Synthesis is just doing the Reaper's work for them, as well as being morally wrong IMO.

The sacrifice of EDI and the Geth is unfortunate, but they will be remembered and honored for it. And the Quarians can rebuild Geth. Harder to do the reverse.


Yeah destroying reapers is the reward of destroy while Geth/Edi are the sacrifice. Shep living is just a bonus.


NO ITS A WACIST GENOCIDE, IF YOU CHOSE RED YOURE A ****/RACIST (at least this is what half the forums keep telling me when i point out what you just said.)

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Fireclown2020 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Avissel wrote...

I find it oddly disconcerting how many people are perfectly happy with murdering the Geth and edi in order to get back together with their LI


I'm not happy about it, and my reason wasn't for my LI.

Destroy is the only option that guarantees the Reapers can't possibly come back to Reap again.

I don't trust Starchild that Shep can Control the Reapers forever. And Synthesis is just doing the Reaper's work for them, as well as being morally wrong IMO.

The sacrifice of EDI and the Geth is unfortunate, but they will be remembered and honored for it. And the Quarians can rebuild Geth. Harder to do the reverse.


Remember Quarians have Geth in their suits to help them survive close to the end.  Derpyderp, does that kill them too?


I doubt it would, as Destroy didn't kill my heavily-synthetic Shepard :)


LOL ahHahAHa!  Smells like a PLOT HOLE!  HAhHAhA!:D


Well as Jessica says, this is precisely the kind of thing additional clarity/closure can (and apparently will) address. :)

I'm looking forward to this Summer.

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Fireclown2020 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Master Che wrote...
But that's kinda the point.  You have to sweat out the choices.

Do I reunite with my LI at the expense of EDI and the Geth?
Do I kill myself so that Joker can get some tail?
Decisions, Decisions...of course, this assumes that Star Brat isn't trying to mindF$%* you.


It's not really much a choice...what possible justification could Paragon shep have for comtting genocide?

I didn't do it to the Krogan or the Rachni, but it's ok for th Geth?

Just give me an option to do the control ending where Shepard goes "Wait..why do I have to do this? you control already..just make them leave yourself."


Its not genocide... Geth are not alive... The fact that they are called SYNTHETIC is proof enough. Saying that they evolve is just not true. 


That is quite the controvertial statement.  I would disagree with you, a lot. :)  Unless your meaning they aren't alive because they are in a Video Game thats broken? ;)  haha:O


In the game Shep can choose to say whether or not Geth are alive/evolve... I simply say that they are not. I am not the only one that chose those options...  <_<

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Is that all people want? A cutscene where their LI and Shepard can make babies (blue or otherwise)?

If that is all you want, just headcannon it.

I want a proper ending to a great game. An ending we were promised. An ending that doesn't betray the themes of the 2.98 games previous, makes sense, and at least somewhat follows the conventions of good writing (conventions that they have successfully followed in the other two games and in other titles).

Is this how they want to end one of the greatest sci-fi series? With nonsense, illogical dialog? With a main character that blindly accepts what the most evil thing in the galaxy tells them? With Maurader Shields as the final boss? With SPACE MAGIC?

Will that really satisfy you? An Extended Cut with clarifacation and cutscenes, but no gameplay? The wirters are just going to make up a bunch of stuff of what happens to you and as long as you get want you want you will be happy? Heck, tell me what you want and I'll make it up. Or read what others have. Or make it up yourself.

I really don't care how they end it. They can do whatever they want, but they cannot break the themes of the game, ignore conventions of storytelling (when they have been following them) and pull SPACE MAGIC out of the parts they sit on.

Really people, don't accept the half-assed scraps. Demand an ending that lives up to the quality of the rest of the game.

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Evil_medved wrote...

ooh space magic saves everyone, how wonderful. you know what i dont even care anymore.


give me a break.

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Nice one. Very courious about this extended cut. Hope my paragon Shep gets his "not so devastating" ending.
Thanks BW for listening. Keep your ending. Still not perfect imho, but hey...Give us a good closure and some more explanation and you get back your awesomenes!

Modifié par Timpossible21, 05 avril 2012 - 07:33 .


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Hope has been rekindled. A very faint spark one that is barely able to sustain itself, but for the first time in a month I can think about ME without feeling annoyed about such a great story going so wrong.

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DESTRAUDO wrote...
FTL is too slow to get home without food/fuel/drive discharge sites/whatever. -Huge negative assumptions. Millions of stars within a months travel of sol. Krogan dmz within a years travel Turian homeworld not much farther. 

No new supplies into Sol because no relay. -V v large negative assumptions. hundreds of systems within 2 days travel. Assumes no  ability to rebuild or grow food in a technologically advanced manner. 

Dextro species in Sol starve. - Assumes dextro food cannot be created for them. Assumes there was no existing food supply for turians visiting earth. Assumes no planets in even 2 days range could support dextro life/provide dextro food, let alone within a months travel. Assumes no quarian live ships full of dextro food survived.

FTL - Intragalactic travel is only possible because of mass relays. This is a major point in the series. The codex says that less than 1% of stars have been explored, that FTL speed is slow relative to the volume of the galaxy, that empty space and systems without drive discharge site are barriers to exploration (because ships that can't discharge can't use FTL, and will eventually overheat and kill the crew), and that inhabited space is mostly small clusters of densely developed systems connected by relay networks.

Supply chain - The Reapers destroy urban infrastructure, factories, fuel depots, comm networks, and anything that looks technologically advanced. The Reapers have been in Sol for a while. The state of Sol's manufacturing infrastructure is unknown, and there is no reason to assume that it's all perfectly fine, or will be simple to repair. Quarians are most adept at repair with meager materials, but even they are not totally self-sufficient, because they lack heavy manufacturing capabilites.

Food - Creating food is problematic:

Growing food on Earth, if possible, requires arable land as well as something to grow there, and Earth already relies heavily on colonial trade. Earth in general suffers from an extreme socioeconomic divide, so poor areas are more polluted and less technologically advanced. The big cities were doing well, but they were also the first targets. Earth has only recently started to recover from the environmental damage inflicted during the 21st century; it is unknown how this affects the state of agriculture.

Alien food/medical supplies are most likely to be found in big cities. Big cities are Reaper rubble. The state of existing supply stockpiles is unknown; the state of supplies brought with the turian/quarian fleets is unknown.

There is no reason to assume that quarians brought liveships into the battle -- since the liveships are the lifeblood of the entire species, it would seem foolish to bring them if there is any possibility of success, because losing one could doom the survivors. It seems more likely that civilian ships (including liveships) stayed out of the battle. Even if they brought all their liveships, the liveships exist in a delicate balance, and quarians have to carefully manage outgoing food to make sure that shortages and starvation are never a problem. Even if they were asked to produce food for themselves and the turians, this situation would not be sustainable without a constant influx of resources to support the production.

Facts from the codex. Game supports horrible outcomes, even before we get into speculation about human nature and what people do when resources are scarce (answer: go to war over them).

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Dusty Arne

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wheelierdan wrote...

Dusty Arne wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

If reunification requires me to commit genocide... then I guess I'm going to die. Killing off a sentient species, organic or synthetic, is a massive no-no for me.


I guess it doesn't matter. I got vapourised in the blue ending; they only they can reunite with is my ashes, I guess.



EDI found a body to live in..


I see no reason why the blue ending Shepard cant find one...

or?


edi doesnt live in that body, shes still on the ship inside servers, she is beamed into the body with an open comm link of some kind, she tells you this after you activate her if you ask her if shes in the body.



I know, im sorry. Bad choice of words..


I meant she found a way to interact with the Galaxy.... I see no reason why a Shepard AI cant do the same.

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Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Avissel wrote...

I find it oddly disconcerting how many people are perfectly happy with murdering the Geth and edi in order to get back together with their LI


I'm not happy about it, and my reason wasn't for my LI.

Destroy is the only option that guarantees the Reapers can't possibly come back to Reap again.

I don't trust Starchild that Shep can Control the Reapers forever. And Synthesis is just doing the Reaper's work for them, as well as being morally wrong IMO.

The sacrifice of EDI and the Geth is unfortunate, but they will be remembered and honored for it. And the Quarians can rebuild Geth. Harder to do the reverse.


Remember Quarians have Geth in their suits to help them survive close to the end.  Derpyderp, does that kill them too?


I doubt it would, as Destroy didn't kill my heavily-synthetic Shepard :)


LOL ahHahAHa!  Smells like a PLOT HOLE!  HAhHAhA!:D


Well as Jessica says, this is precisely the kind of thing additional clarity/closure can (and apparently will) address. :)

I'm looking forward to this Summer.


I would look forward to it if BioWare didn't keep on telling us things that are not true.  Jessica I am sure is a rather nice person but from what I have read has been told not to tweet as she mentioned things that I am sure she thought was included in the game and clearly they weren't.  She was as much in the dark as we were, or she was a good liar. lol

I look forward to Summer becuase of the Download Festival. :)  YEAH!

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Thorn Harvestar

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tobito113 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Avissel wrote...

I find it oddly disconcerting how many people are perfectly happy with murdering the Geth and edi in order to get back together with their LI


I'm not happy about it, and my reason wasn't for my LI.

Destroy is the only option that guarantees the Reapers can't possibly come back to Reap again.

I don't trust Starchild that Shep can Control the Reapers forever. And Synthesis is just doing the Reaper's work for them, as well as being morally wrong IMO.

The sacrifice of EDI and the Geth is unfortunate, but they will be remembered and honored for it. And the Quarians can rebuild Geth. Harder to do the reverse.


Yeah destroying reapers is the reward of destroy while Geth/Edi are the sacrifice. Shep living is just a bonus.


NO ITS A WACIST GENOCIDE, IF YOU CHOSE RED YOURE A ****/RACIST (at least this is what half the forums keep telling me when i point out what you just said.)


Shep living IS a very nice bonus. But Destroying the Reapers is what my Shep planned to do from the day he learned about them.

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The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Jessica I know you're just trying to get annoying prodders off your back. I would too.
But still.. rebuilding the relays is completely likely... AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Tell that to these two:

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Where does it say how much time has passed?

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besides this has already been done.



edit to answer above me its in the file name of the video in your files directory i believe

Modifié par wheelierdan, 05 avril 2012 - 07:32 .


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Grusome11 wrote...

Is that all people want? A cutscene where their LI and Shepard can make babies (blue or otherwise)?

If that is all you want, just headcannon it.

I want a proper ending to a great game. An ending we were promised. An ending that doesn't betray the themes of the 2.98 games previous, makes sense, and at least somewhat follows the conventions of good writing (conventions that they have successfully followed in the other two games and in other titles).

Is this how they want to end one of the greatest sci-fi series? With nonsense, illogical dialog? With a main character that blindly accepts what the most evil thing in the galaxy tells them? With Maurader Shields as the final boss? With SPACE MAGIC?

Will that really satisfy you? An Extended Cut with clarifacation and cutscenes, but no gameplay? The wirters are just going to make up a bunch of stuff of what happens to you and as long as you get want you want you will be happy? Heck, tell me what you want and I'll make it up. Or read what others have. Or make it up yourself.

I really don't care how they end it. They can do whatever they want, but they cannot break the themes of the game, ignore conventions of storytelling (when they have been following them) and pull SPACE MAGIC out of the parts they sit on.

Really people, don't accept the half-assed scraps. Demand an ending that lives up to the quality of the rest of the game.


Youre delusional if you really think this wasnt the main reason for ALOT of the hate the ending was getting.

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Eh I'd be willing to sacrifice Edi and the Geth if it means seeing my beloved Liara again!

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Thorn Harvestar wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Avissel wrote...

I find it oddly disconcerting how many people are perfectly happy with murdering the Geth and edi in order to get back together with their LI


I'm not happy about it, and my reason wasn't for my LI.

Destroy is the only option that guarantees the Reapers can't possibly come back to Reap again.

I don't trust Starchild that Shep can Control the Reapers forever. And Synthesis is just doing the Reaper's work for them, as well as being morally wrong IMO.

The sacrifice of EDI and the Geth is unfortunate, but they will be remembered and honored for it. And the Quarians can rebuild Geth. Harder to do the reverse.


Yeah destroying reapers is the reward of destroy while Geth/Edi are the sacrifice. Shep living is just a bonus.


NO ITS A WACIST GENOCIDE, IF YOU CHOSE RED YOURE A ****/RACIST (at least this is what half the forums keep telling me when i point out what you just said.)


Shep living IS a very nice bonus. But Destroying the Reapers is what my Shep planned to do from the day he learned about them.


This....  I would not let Anderson die in vain... Destroying them was the plan from day 1!!!!!

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First thing that came into my mind:

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I am ashamed at my geekyness.

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Dusty Arne wrote...

wheelierdan wrote...

Dusty Arne wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

If reunification requires me to commit genocide... then I guess I'm going to die. Killing off a sentient species, organic or synthetic, is a massive no-no for me.


I guess it doesn't matter. I got vapourised in the blue ending; they only they can reunite with is my ashes, I guess.



EDI found a body to live in..


I see no reason why the blue ending Shepard cant find one...

or?


edi doesnt live in that body, shes still on the ship inside servers, she is beamed into the body with an open comm link of some kind, she tells you this after you activate her if you ask her if shes in the body.



I know, im sorry. Bad choice of words..


I meant she found a way to interact with the Galaxy.... I see no reason why a Shepard AI cant do the same.


A new body can also be rebuilt

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Interesting. I guess I'll be shelving Mass Effect 3 for a couple of more months then.

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JesseLee202 wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

Master Che wrote...
But that's kinda the point.  You have to sweat out the choices.

Do I reunite with my LI at the expense of EDI and the Geth?
Do I kill myself so that Joker can get some tail?
Decisions, Decisions...of course, this assumes that Star Brat isn't trying to mindF$%* you.


It's not really much a choice...what possible justification could Paragon shep have for comtting genocide?

I didn't do it to the Krogan or the Rachni, but it's ok for th Geth?

Just give me an option to do the control ending where Shepard goes "Wait..why do I have to do this? you control already..just make them leave yourself."


Its not genocide... Geth are not alive... The fact that they are called SYNTHETIC is proof enough. Saying that they evolve is just not true. 


That is quite the controvertial statement.  I would disagree with you, a lot. :)  Unless your meaning they aren't alive because they are in a Video Game thats broken? ;)  haha:O


In the game Shep can choose to say whether or not Geth are alive/evolve... I simply say that they are not. I am not the only one that chose those options...  <_<


But don't you want to give them a chance?  They could have feelings.  Just because they are run on wires electrical impulses and goo doesn't mean they couldn't work the same way.  We are organs and goo with electrical impulses, very similar.

*GrInZ*  Am I getting off topic.  TeeHee;)

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darkshadow136 wrote...

Time will tell if this extended ending is worth it. But from what has been said it can go wither way. I will be holding my wallet from buying anymore Bioware products till I see how this plays out.


That's the wisest course of action at this point. I remain hopeful that this will be good though. :)

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Will there be Ewoks too?

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Capeo wrote...

AlexPorto111 wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Denethar wrote...

Aweus wrote...

And another from Jessica Merizan. She is on a posting spree. Maybe she does know something we do not?

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IF and I really mean that as a big IF, that is true then I could care less about what else happens.


I......... Just........... Think I might have felt a tear roll down my cheek. 

If this happens, if Shepard sees Liara again, and Tali gets her house on Rannoch, and Ashley becomes a Spectre, and Garrus sees his family again, and EDI can live with Joker again, and Javik gets to commit ritual suicide, then........... I'll personally send them another 402 cup cakes. 

Except these ones will have a personal message of thanks and will all be different flavors. 



If Shep can see Liara again, I'll shut up and Bioware can take my future money with DLC, and future games. I won't write them off.


I hope this is true. It would solve 50 percent of my problems with the ending.


If this is true,it would solve 90% of my problems with the ending.


Jessica has been saying this forever.  Even when she was saying she hopes they don't change the endings.  It's theoretically true because Shep survives one ending.  It doesn't mean we will see that in the DLC.  Jessica has no idea what is going to be in the DLC.  People need to realize this.  She gave people all kinds of false hope before and a lot of what she said turned out to be wrong.  Her twitter is from a fan perspective.  She's not a dev and has no hand in the creative side of BW.


They didn't hire her just to be a fan, like she does have a job to do there. For the most part she does it pretty dam well. So who knows she does see the Devs so maybe they told her?