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[Samuel_Valkyrie]

LancerGirl wrote...

Jessica, I you
At least she tries to help us.

Good PR agents do that.

[Actinguy1]

If anyone hasn't seen it yet, when someone complained that there would be "no playable content", she responded "I don't know where you got that from."

[The Angry One]

tobito113 wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Jessica I know you're just trying to get annoying prodders off your back. I would too.
But still.. rebuilding the relays is completely likely... AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Tell that to these two:

Where does it say how much time has passed?

Even if its 10k years, the old man never say anything to the child that they are stranded forever. Hes is talking to a kid about the stars and how there is life in many planet, there is no evidence that they have no mass relay technology working...

Internal script notes say it's 10,000 years later.
And look at the scene. See any technology? See any moving lights in the night sky? See any city in the background?
Does he talk about anything in the galaxy in definite terms? No. It's all vague, mysterious BS.

[Avissel]

CronoDragoon wrote...
From what I understand about Legion's sacrifice, it essentially individualized all the geth platforms. So....

Correct. There is also the fact that destoy ending shows the Reapers just falling over dead, no explosions, no melt down.

They just (turn off). It would be assumed the same thing would happen to the Geth, they just cease to function, and since the reaper code was what made them into turely living beings (same with EDI) they are gone forever.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Captiosus77 wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Youre delusional if you really think this wasnt the main reason for ALOT of the hate the ending was getting.

Sorry, but the delusional one is you.

The predominant reason the endings have gotten hate has been the destruction of player choice and the plot holes in the canon. While there have certainly been plenty of people complaining that they wanted their blue babies, the vast majority of complaints have been due to the fact that the catalyst was a new character foisted on players in the last 5 minutes, the dialog with the catalyst completely ignored the staple themes of the franchise, and player choice was discarded in favor of authorial fiat at the end.

You're just another person attempting to dismiss everyone's legitimate complaints behind a poor troll of "people just wanted a happy ending", which most of us have stated, repeatedly, was NOT the case.

Shepard demands better fans, indeed. Not trolls who have obviously ignored thousands of well written, extremely detailed, posts as to why the current endings are cop-out garbage that break all of the established content prior to it.

We can only believe that they're plot holes based on our assumptions about the ending. BioWare can rectify/retcon that. I'm surprised that, given that the ending has been called out on more than one occasion for being far too speculative and inconclusive, people know so well how BioWare wants the players' stories to end. It almost makes a clarification DLC redundant.

[nopantsisabela]

LancerGirl wrote...
Jessica, I you
At least she tries to help us.

 

Yeah... she appears to have the patience of a saint. 

Man I was really hoping that Stargazer would just go away. No offense to Buzz Aldrin, but that scene kind of enraged me. I don't want to hear about "the Shepard!" I guess he's here to stay though. 

[Scorpii]

Something tells me I will have to sacrifice the Geth to reunite with my crew...

What true hero would pick his attachments over the lives of an entire specie?

On the other hand, there are more reasons to pick the destroy option...

Oh well... All this in theory has potential... I really wish is all done right...

[The Angry One]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

If I would have told Legion that destroying the Geth was the only way to ensure the Reapers were permanently destroyed, he would have understood IMO.

I'd name Citadel 2.0 "the Gethadel" in their honor.

No.

He would've told you. "No. We will not allow you to determine our future."

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[Kanon777]

The Angry One wrote...
Internal script notes say it's 10,000 years later.
And look at the scene. See any technology? See any moving lights in the night sky? See any city in the background?
Does he talk about anything in the galaxy in definite terms? No. It's all vague, mysterious BS.

It's all vague, mysterious BS:

Therefore you cant make a single conclusion... Its all about speculationz!!!!111one

The reason why that scene is perfect is because you can take it as meaning anything you want...

[Grusome11]

tobito113 wrote...

Grusome11 wrote...

Well, I must be delusional.

My problem with the ending was the crappy writing. Are most people really that shallow? Given this turd of an ending, slap a few chocolate sprinkes of have blue babies on it and all is forgiven?

Please don't destroy my faith in humanity.

YOUR problem with the ending, look how many people here are getting all happy just because Jessica hinted that you can be together with Liara. All they need is to add a blue baby picture and many of the complainers will stop ****ing. You dont have to like it but that is whats going to happen, this community is incredbly shallow...

Trust me much (not all) of BSN would rather have another love scene with your LI than "explanations" or a "story that makes sense" or "fixing the plot holes".

Well that's a pretty low opinion of the community here, and not one that I share. Perhaps you are right but I hope you are wrong.

Also, as mentioned a few posts up, there have been many posts regarding the endings and why they suck from a writing perspective. Even if the writers at Bioware have not read any of these detailed posts, I cannot believe that the other writers, the ones who wrote the Krogan and Geth storylines cannot be saying to Mac and Casey "Dude, what's up with that ending? How could you think that did not suck?"

Any writer that worked on ME3 would have to append his resume to read:

Writer on Mass Effect 3 (not the ending!)

[Thorn Harvestar]

The Angry One wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

If I would have told Legion that destroying the Geth was the only way to ensure the Reapers were permanently destroyed, he would have understood IMO.

I'd name Citadel 2.0 "the Gethadel" in their honor.

No.

He told you. "No. We will not allow you to determine our future."

I'm saying, I think he would have concluded that Destroy would be the right "future" if he was presented with the choices we had.

Synthesis = you determine EVERYONE'S future against their will.
Control = lol like I'm falling for this trap

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 05 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[christrek1982]

Avissel wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
a high price then you have to ask yourself is it worth it am I willing to do that sacrficing myself for the geth 

The entire problem with sacrificeing yourself is that it's POINTLESS.

Reaper God controls the Reapers, so why is it neccecary for Shepard to die to control them? If he is already agreeable to the idea of just making the Reaper go away..why cant he just do that himself?

thats a good point and i would of been happy if we could of talked to the space kid but at the same time dosn't he flat out refuse to do anything?  I also see this in the same light as the dark rite in DA:O are you willing to ceate a life that will be posessed by an evil god so that the warden can live beond the final battle?

[Fireclown2020]

The Angry One wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

If I would have told Legion that destroying the Geth was the only way to ensure the Reapers were permanently destroyed, he would have understood IMO.

I'd name Citadel 2.0 "the Gethadel" in their honor.

No.

He would've told you. "No. We will not allow you to determine our future."

I'm still getting that suite on the Presedium on Gethadel right?   I'll give you some space magic.  I can make three different colours appear.  

[Super_Angurius]

This could potentally make things acceptable. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I guess I'll probably still end up going with Synthesis since I don't want to kill the Geth. It just bugs me that A- You have to change everyone without them having a say, and B- Glowy green Joker and EDI look damn creepy.

[The Angry One]

tobito113 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Internal script notes say it's 10,000 years later.
And look at the scene. See any technology? See any moving lights in the night sky? See any city in the background?
Does he talk about anything in the galaxy in definite terms? No. It's all vague, mysterious BS.

It's all vague, mysterious BS:

Therefore you cant make a single conclusion... Its all about speculationz!!!!111one

The reason why that scene is perfect is because you can take it as meaning anything you want...

I can make a conclusion, because if that were an advanced society he wouldn't have to resort to vague, mysterious BS.
In fact, why would the kid even ask about life out there? He would be taught such things in school. In fact, if this were an advanced interstellar society he would've already SEEN Asari, Turians, and so on.

So no, they are two primitives worshipping the stars. That is the only thing we are shown.

[christrek1982]

christrek1982 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
a high price then you have to ask yourself is it worth it am I willing to do that sacrficing myself for the geth 

The entire problem with sacrificeing yourself is that it's POINTLESS.

Reaper God controls the Reapers, so why is it neccecary for Shepard to die to control them? If he is already agreeable to the idea of just making the Reaper go away..why cant he just do that himself?

thats a good point and i would of been happy if we could of talked to the space kid but at the same time dosn't he flat out refuse to do anything?  I also see this in the same light as the dark rite in DA:O are you willing to create a life that will be posessed by an evil god so that the warden can live beond the final battle?

[Fisto The Sexbot]

The Angry One wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah Jessica I know you're just trying to get annoying prodders off your back. I would too.
But still.. rebuilding the relays is completely likely... AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Tell that to these two:

Where does it say how much time has passed?

Even if its 10k years, the old man never say anything to the child that they are stranded forever. Hes is talking to a kid about the stars and how there is life in many planet, there is no evidence that they have no mass relay technology working...

Internal script notes say it's 10,000 years later.
And look at the scene. See any technology? See any moving lights in the night sky? See any city in the background?
Does he talk about anything in the galaxy in definite terms? No. It's all vague, mysterious BS.

It's a forest. Even if they didn't have working mass relays, if it was 10,000 years into the future technology could be very advanced at that point. It wouldn't make sense to assume that they live in a forest or in villages after all those years.

But I guess you've already got that vague, mysterious stuff figured out. /shrugs

[Karimloo]

10'000 YEARS LATER?

That's just like, you're opinion man.

And man, internal scripts are just there, they're not really important. Besides, BioWare changes **** constantly. I don't know if thats good actually. No. It's not.

But this is their final chance.

[Purple People Eater]

My question is, why is all of this being put on Jessicas shoulders?. Why don't some of the higher ups just address whats going on, and what we might be able to expect from this ending expansion?. It would help this place calm down considerably for one of them to just post something that isn't robotic PR speak. Every new announcement they make just leads to more speculation and rage, and makes this place more hostile. The vagueness is wearing thin.

[The Angry One]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm saying, I think he would have concluded that Destroy would be the right "future" if he was presented with the choices we had.

Synthesis = you determine EVERYONE'S future against their will.
Control = lol like I'm falling for this trap

And then Legion would proceed to snap Shepard's neck for their cowardice and order all Geth to attack the Presidium tower and end the plans of the Old Machines forever.

Oh Legion why didn't you LIIIIVE!

[The Angry One]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

It's a forest. Even if they didn't have working mass relays, if it was 10,000 years into the future technology could be very advanced at that point. It wouldn't make sense to assume that they live in a forest or in villages after all those years.

But I guess you've already got that vague, mysterious stuff figured out. /shrugs

So an old man took his grandson to the forest. Alone. In the night. Far from any signs of civilisation.
This makes sense to you?

[Thorn Harvestar]

The Angry One wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm saying, I think he would have concluded that Destroy would be the right "future" if he was presented with the choices we had.

Synthesis = you determine EVERYONE'S future against their will.
Control = lol like I'm falling for this trap

And then Legion would proceed to snap Shepard's neck for their cowardice and order all Geth to attack the Presidium tower and end the plans of the Old Machines forever.

Oh Legion why didn't you LIIIIVE!

Haha, well I am operating under the constraints we currently have, where we lack the desired 4th option of telling Starchild to "Go f*** yourself".

I agree that it would be the preferred choice.

[The Angry One]

Karimloo wrote...

10'000 YEARS LATER?

That's just like, you're opinion man.

And man, internal scripts are just there, they're not really important. Besides, BioWare changes **** constantly. I don't know if thats good actually. No. It's not.

But this is their final chance.

They're scene guides, the scenes are voiced and directed based on those guides, so yes. 10,000 years later.
Also that's a male Asari.

They had no idea what they were doing during the ending.

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

...wow. This is just sad. Do you really not care about your work anymore?

[Fireclown2020]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm saying, I think he would have concluded that Destroy would be the right "future" if he was presented with the choices we had.

Synthesis = you determine EVERYONE'S future against their will.
Control = lol like I'm falling for this trap

And then Legion would proceed to snap Shepard's neck for their cowardice and order all Geth to attack the Presidium tower and end the plans of the Old Machines forever.

Oh Legion why didn't you LIIIIVE!

Haha, well I am operating under the constraints we currently have, where we lack the desired 4th option of telling Starchild to "Go f*** yourself".

I agree that it would be the preferred choice.

I'm there!    Bye Bye Star Child!