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[Blind2Society]

@panda: Not amused

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[ArkkAngel007]

You should really be doing body shots as an infiltrator with cloak activated anyways.

[OblivionDawn]

Aim for the head.

You're using it wrong.

[Blind2Society]

RamsenC wrote...

It's not great for close range sniping, especially on console. You have to be getting headshots.

PC


Aim for the head seems to be the rule of thumb for this thing I guess. Which makes it <Carnifex (which is a goddamn pistol).

The point is, this thing should one shot lesser enemies whether you head shot them or not. It doesn't, therefore it's crap. I can one shot lesser enemies with a Carni (head shot of course) and it has more rounds per clip and has a less sensitive scope.

[ArkkAngel007]

Blind2Society wrote...

Tangster wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Even though your point is rubbish that pic gave me quite the laugh.

The BW does 514.1 damage at rank 1, a bronze game husk has a health bar of 412.5, you can bodyshot a bronze husk with the BW.

That all sounds well and good except it doesn't.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The point is, Sniper Rifles are meant to execute headshot at long range.

IRL, this is not true.

This isn't real life.  Can you tell me the type of round it uses? The actual velocity of the round?  The neurological and viscera physiology of all the enemies you encounter in this game?  Are the wounds torn like from a 7.62 or pierced like from a 5.56?

I'm heavily involved in the military lifestyle, and I'm an avid gun collector and frequent the ranges when I have the opportunity to do so.  I took up hunting a few years back to spend time with certain family members and friends.  I know what various firearms are capable of in various situations.  However, there is a huge difference between firearms in reality and those in a videogame, especially in a science fiction one.

 IRL, yes, a sniper would attempt a torso shot to pierce the lungs and heart in order to quickly kill without much noise from the target, though a headshot to eliminate the cerebrum is preferable in proper conditions.  It also depends on if you seek to eliminate the target or maim it.  But this isn't real life, and the sniper rifles in the game are meant for the purpose I stated.  That is how they are most effective.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 05 avril 2012 - 09:08 .

[What it Dookie]

I can kill husk on Gold with one shot in the chest from a BW II, uncloaked. Maybe you went with Power and Weight capacity increase than weapon damage?

[jimmyw404]

Blind2Society: Post more videos and less excuses for why you can't figure out how to post videos or use one of the top weapons in the game.

[mupp3tz]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
This isn't real life.  Can you tell me the type of round it uses? The actual velocity of the round?  The neurological and viscera physiology of all the enemies you encounter in this game?  Are the wounds torn like from a 7.62 or pierced like from a 5.56?

I'm heavily involved in the military lifestyle, and I'm an avid gun collector and frequent the ranges when I have the opportunity to do so.  I took up hunting a few years back to spend time with certain family members and friends.  I know what various firearms are capable of in various situations.  However, there is a huge difference between firearms in reality and those in a videogame, especially in a science fiction one.

 IRL, yes, a sniper would attempt a torso shot to pierce the lungs and heart in order to quickly kill without much noise from the target, though a headshot to eliminate the cerebrum is preferable in proper conditions.  It also depends on if you seek to eliminate the target or maim it.  But this isn't real life, and the sniper rifles in the game are meant for the purpose I stated.  That is how they are most effective.

[HippyGiJoe]

Nice trolling.

[Lextra]

just because you suck dosen't mean the weapon suck.

[Blind2Society]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

This isn't real life.  Can you tell me the type of round it uses? The actual velocity of the round?  The neurological and viscera physiology of all the enemies you encounter in this game?  Are the wounds torn like from a 7.62 or pierced like from a 5.56?

I'm heavily involved in the military lifestyle, and I'm an avid gun collector and frequent the ranges when I have the opportunity to do so.  I took up hunting a few years back to spend time with certain family members and friends.  I know what various firearms are capable of in various situations.  However, there is a huge difference between
firearms in reality and those in a videogame, especially in a science fiction one.

IRL, yes, a sniper would attempt a torso shot to pierce the lungs and heart in order to quickly kill without much noise from the target, though a headshot to eliminate the cerebrum is preferable in proper conditions.
It also depends on if you seek to eliminate the target or maim it.  But this isn't real life, and the sniper rifles in the game are meant for the purpose I stated.  That is how they are most effective.

Thanks for the life story, you simply didn't specify and the way I read it I assumed you were just speaking of SRs in general. 'I was talking about SPs as they relate to ME3 MP" would have been fine ; )

What it Dookie wrote...

I can kill husk on Gold with one shot in the chest from a BW II, uncloaked. Maybe you went with Power and Weight capacity increase than weapon damage?

Nope, alway go for weapon damage but that would have been my first thought.

jimmyw404 wrote...

Blind2Society: Post more videos and less excuses for why you can't figure out how to post videos or use one of the top weapons in the game.

Don't post rediculous crap specificly designed to ****** me off. That's trolling and you can take it somewhere else. Thanks

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Creston918]

Blind2Society wrote...

So, I got the black widow a day or so ago but just used it for the first time.

My conclusion, this thing is complete crap as well as a waste of a weapon slot. It takes two shots to kill a husk, non head shot, in bronze with an HCB, are you **** kiding me!? All the hype over this gun and it turns out to be a total waste of time. I'll take my Carni all day.

If you want "one shot, one kill" you need a normal Widow. The Black Widow is not a better Widow, it's a different Widow, with different purposes.

1) A sniper rifle is for Infiltrators. They get several massive damage bonuses to base damage which makes up for it. Taking a carnifex on an infiltrator would be the height of stupidity.

2) Aim for the head. You know, like you do with the carnifex.

3) The Black Widow OWNS mini-bosses, with the exception of the phantom. (Unless you're a really good aim.)
Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee, Atlas, Ravagers? Don't worry, I got it. Most ravagers are dead before they ever get a shot off, unless they spawn where I can't see them. On Dagger, they basically die so fast they probably complain to the server they got glitched.

I will admit, the first time I got my Black Widow, I tried it and I thought "This sucks. My Widow OWNS this weapon."
I stuck with it. Now, it's the only weapon I carry on any infiltrator. I especially love Cerberus when I'm playing my Infiltrator. Those poor atlasses don't stand a chance.

[CV77]

I found out the three-shot ability is not very viable on gold except for big bosses where it's fantastic. I think I was able to kill gold Atlas with one BW clip (10 shots? don't remember exactly, haven't played SI for a while).

But other than that you basically have to cloak-shoot-hide just like with Mantis, Widow or Javelin
because on gold if you uncloak and stay exposed, you're toast in like 1,5 seconds.

But it's not a big deal, usually you can do a headshot.

Still unsure though if the piercing mod actually improves or nerfs inherently piercing weapons like W, BW and Javelin.

[Tangster]

CV77 wrote...

I found out the three-shot ability is not very viable on gold except for big bosses where it's fantastic. I think I was able to kill gold Atlas with one BW clip (10 shots? don't remember exactly, haven't played SI for a while).

But other than that you basically have to cloak-shoot-hide just like with Mantis, Widow or Javelin
because on gold if you uncloak and stay exposed, you're toast in like 1,5 seconds.

But it's not a big deal, usually you can do a headshot.

Still unsure though if the piercing mod actually improves or nerfs inherently piercing weapons like W, BW and Javelin.

A correctly specced SI with a Black Widow III, AP ammo III, sniper rail III using the cloak>ED>snipe can take a gold atlas down in 3-4 shots, depending if you aim at the canopy or the "damage spike" groin/shoulder/knee plates.

The piercing mod improves the weapons, piercing distance stacks and the armor bonus is added.

[Blind2Society]

jimmyw404 wrote...

Blind2Society: Post more videos and less excuses for why you can't figure out how to post videos or use one of the top weapons in the game.

I feel like elaborating for the heck of it. I know how to post videos, I have a few on my channel already. Unfortunately encoder 4 (the program I use for SC) doesn't appear to work with origin and/or ME3, so, yeah. So, unless you have a specific tip to remedy this problem you can get lost.

As for all this not knowing how to use is crap, it's a gun, you point and shoot. I have EB5 and all the weapon damage bonus selected for upgrades. If you feel like making a post saying I don't know how to use it, do yourself a favor and don't.

Lextra wrote...

just because you suck dosen't mean the weapon suck.

I will be reporting any more posts like this. Just FYI

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[Krysh]

I agree with OP tbh. I got mine BW few days ago, tried it few times and I find it really crappy too.
I mean - it's not exactly bad weapon, you can do pretty rough damage with it but everytime, I will kill more enemies with Carni or Raptor/Mattock than with BW. It's just too slow, 3 shots and quite long reload time. I'm just not used to these types of sniper rifles.

[Blind2Society]

Creston918 wrote...


If you want "one shot, one kill" you need a normal Widow. The Black Widow is not a better Widow, it's a different Widow, with different purposes.

1) A sniper rifle is for Infiltrators. They get several massive damage bonuses to base damage which makes up for it. Taking a carnifex on an infiltrator would be the height of stupidity.

2) Aim for the head. You know, like you do with the carnifex.

3) The Black Widow OWNS mini-bosses, with the exception of the phantom. (Unless you're a really good aim.)
Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee, Atlas, Ravagers? Don't worry, I got it. Most ravagers are dead before they ever get a shot off, unless they spawn where I can't see them. On Dagger, they basically die so fast they probably complain to the server they got glitched.

I will admit, the first time I got my Black Widow, I tried it and I thought "This sucks. My Widow OWNS this weapon."
I stuck with it. Now, it's the only weapon I carry on any infiltrator. I especially love Cerberus when I'm playing my Infiltrator. Those poor atlasses don't stand a chance.

Thanks for the solid reply, it makes sense.

I did notice that I pretty much beasted ravengers and other tough enemies (Then again. my carni + nades pretty much did this anyway ; ) ) which made it seem all the more rediculous that it took two shots to kill a husk.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[Dr-Rai1]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

This isn't real life.  Can you tell me the type of round it uses? The actual velocity of the round?  The neurological and viscera physiology of all the enemies you encounter in this game?  Are the wounds torn like from a 7.62 or pierced like from a 5.56?

I'm heavily involved in the military lifestyle, and I'm an avid gun collector and frequent the ranges when I have the opportunity to do so.  I took up hunting a few years back to spend time with certain family members and friends.  I know what various firearms are capable of in various situations.  However, there is a huge difference between firearms in reality and those in a videogame, especially in a science fiction one.

 IRL, yes, a sniper would attempt a torso shot to pierce the lungs and heart in order to quickly kill without much noise from the target, though a headshot to eliminate the cerebrum is preferable in proper conditions.  It also depends on if you seek to eliminate the target or maim it.  But this isn't real life, and the sniper rifles in the game are meant for the purpose I stated.  That is how they are most effective.

Someone on the forums told me that when you own someone, you're supposed to go BOOM! in caps, I was shocked when I saw you didn't

[Creston918]

Blind2Society wrote...

Thanks for the solid reply, it makes sense.

I did notice that I pretty much beasted ravengers and other tough enemies (Then again. my carni + nades pretty much did this anyway ; ) ) which made it seem all the more rediculous that it took two shots to kill a husk.

Yeah, I'm still confused about that. I kill husks in one shot on Silver with simple body shots. Were you lagging badly or something?

But yeah, most other enemies require two shots. But if you play with an engineer who overloads grunts, then that's three kills in like 2 seconds.

It basically boils down to what you want to be efficient at killing. Low-end enemies or high-end enemies. If it's low-end, bring a normal Widow. If it's high-end, bring a Black Widow.

I can guarantee you that your carni isn't killing high end stuff as quick as a Black Widow infiltrator.
(with the flipside, of course, that it kills trash mobs a lot better.)

[TempoGTR]

Krysh wrote...

I agree with OP tbh. I got mine BW few days ago, tried it few times and I find it really crappy too.
I mean - it's not exactly bad weapon, you can do pretty rough damage with it but everytime, I will kill more enemies with Carni or Raptor/Mattock than with BW. It's just too slow, 3 shots and quite long reload time. I'm just not used to these types of sniper rifles.

I'm curious as to what kinds of sniper rifles you are used to if you prefer using the Raptor sniper rifle.....that thing hardly has any right to be called a sniper rifle.

As to the OP, I guess it just depends on your playstyle. Sure, a Widow can 1-hit kill several enemy types...but then you have to reload. A BW can kill 3 if you headshot before reloading. Or in your example, you can kill 1 enemy with 2 body shots, and severly injure/kill a 2nd enemy with the 3rd shot before reloading. As someone who is not a "sniper pro", I prefer the weapon that isn't all or nothing. Even if it takes 2 body shots to kill a husk. With the BW, you can fire all three shots (getting up to 3 kills) before the Widow can fire 2.

Really comes down to playstyle I guess. Yes, several pistols are just as effective (minus the penetration of the widow/BW). That, again, is where playstyle comes in. Some prefer to use Snipers, others prefer pistols. You seem to be a person that prefers maximum efficiency/dps. In that case, the BW might not suit you. Once I bought it in SP and used it, I never dropped it. To each his own.

[Blind2Society]

Yeah, I was always a sniper no matter the game and used the rego widow in MP. I then decided to use the Carni with a scope and HCB and haven't looked back. So yeah, I guess you're right and my playstyle is now more suited to the Carni. However, I still feel the BW should one shot Husks/cannibals etc in bronze.

[Tangster]

Blind2Society wrote...

Yeah, I was always a sniper no matter the game and used the rego widow in MP. I then decided to use the Carni with a scope and HCB and haven't looked back. So yeah, I guess you're right and my playstyle is now more suited to the Carni. However, I still feel the BW should one shot Husks/cannibals etc in bronze.

It does for me, maybe a bug on your end? Force update ME3?

[Blind2Society]

From what I can tell husks have lower health than cannibals but yet when I shoot either in the body with the BW they both will have one bar of health left. So maybe it is a bug. I can't be sure. Wish I could get encoder 4 to work with origin/me3 but as I said before, I tried to capture some GP but the end result was a black screen with the blue mouse pointer floating around then just black when the match started.

If anyone has any info that will get it to work correctly I would be in your debt.

[MingWolf]

The BW is crazy powerful if you can muster a fairly consistent amount of headshots. If your playing an Infiltrator on gold, it is almost like cheating I use only a Level 1 BW with extended barrel and extra ammo clips.

[Sabbatine]

panda1pandemic wrote...

The Black Widow does 0 points of damage if you miss. Maybe that's your problem.

That is patently false sir.  It does full damage to whatever environmental object or wild animal you hit.