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[Sargaz]

not sure how u can`t kill a husk on bronze with a black widow lol, it double kills on gold if u shoot 2 red hp people standing in the path of the projectile as an infiltrator.... u can kill 6 people with 3 bullets not sure how u managed to **** it up lol

[RazRei]

FRAPS Is a resource hog tho, I hope you have a good PC.

[Quxorda]

Blind2Society wrote...

Tangster wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Even though your point is rubbish that pic gave me quite the laugh.

The BW does 514.1 damage at rank 1, a bronze game husk has a health bar of 412.5, you can bodyshot a bronze husk with the BW.

That all sounds well and good except it doesn't.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The point is, Sniper Rifles are meant to execute headshot at long range.

IRL, this is not true.

As much as you want your hyperbolic troll post to be true, numbers simply don't lie. 514.1 is always greater then 412.5, no matter how much you don't want it too. The only way you wouldn't one shot a husk is through  cover or multiple enemies.

Or if you are killing out of scope, all snipers recieve a damage penalty when firing from the hip. But that is increadibly stupid to do anyway, so as has already been stated.. you're doing it wrong.

Modifié par Quxorda, 05 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[woolysockofdoom]

I have killed a husk on Gold with a single no-scope body shot out of cover. This was with a Black Widow I with Extended Barrel V. Your argument is false.

[RazRei]

How much health does the cannibal have in Silver? Because a BW 1 can't take one out with a body shot, you need a head shot.

[Darkslayer557]

you unlocked it, used it in one game and you think it sucked because it doesnt one-shot most things like the widow does. That's because you're not used to the weapon, not because it sucks.

[SeaJayX]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

It's an absolute beast when leveled up. Right now it's only level one, so it only sees love from my Krogan Soldier, yet it works very well.

I've got a III and the only thing I've noticed so far is weight reduction.

[Blind2Society]

Quxorda wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Tangster wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Even though your point is rubbish that pic gave me quite the laugh.

The BW does 514.1 damage at rank 1, a bronze game husk has a health bar of 412.5, you can bodyshot a bronze husk with the BW.

That all sounds well and good except it doesn't.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The point is, Sniper Rifles are meant to execute headshot at long range.

IRL, this is not true.

As much as you want your hyperbolic troll post to be true, numbers simply don't lie. 514.1 is always greater then 412.5, no matter how much you don't want it too. The only way you wouldn't one shot a husk is through  cover or multiple enemies.

Seriously go away, I've just about had it with you people. I shot a bunch of damn husks in bronze with a widow with EB5 and all the weapon damage upgrades and it took two shots. Once I get a screen cap program that works I will show. Stop posting comments like this and find something constructive to say or I will start reporting.

[ArkkAngel007]

RazRei wrote...

How much health does the cannibal have in Silver? Because a BW 1 can't take one out with a body shot, you need a head shot.

As does the Mantis, Viper, Valient, Raptor (actually several to the head in that case), and Inscisor.  I think the Alienware sniper requires multiiple shots too.  Only the Widow and Javelin can produce 1-hit kills at level 1 to the body.

In ME3, you're supposed to be going for headshots with the majority of the sniper rifles.  The only exception are Infiltrators with cloak.

[Blind2Society]

Darkslayer557 wrote...

you unlocked it, used it in one game and you think it sucked because it doesnt one-shot most things like the widow does. That's because you're not used to the weapon, not because it sucks.

Because I'm not used to it, and because I don't know how to use it? You people really need to get a clue, it's a gun, you point and shoot.

[RazRei]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

How much health does the cannibal have in Silver? Because a BW 1 can't take one out with a body shot, you need a head shot.

As does the Mantis, Viper, Valient, Raptor (actually several to the head in that case), and Inscisor.  I think the Alienware sniper requires multiiple shots too.  Only the Widow and Javelin can produce 1-hit kills at level 1 to the body.

In ME3, you're supposed to be going for headshots with the majority of the sniper rifles.  The only exception are Infiltrators with cloak.

The M90 Indra is a POS.  AW still has codes so go ahead and get one, it makes for a nice weapon to sit on your weapons bench.

The Alliance wanted to reduce the reload time of the original Widow rifle,
without sacrificing its stopping power. The solution was to increase
the number of shots the gun could fire before it needed a fresh thermal
clip. Heavy for a sniper rifle, the Black Widow's firepower more than
compensates for its encumbrance.

Would've thought without sacrificing stopping power would mean it wouldn't sacrifice the stopping power trollolololol

Modifié par RazRei, 05 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[ArkkAngel007]

SeaJayX wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

It's an absolute beast when leveled up. Right now it's only level one, so it only sees love from my Krogan Soldier, yet it works very well.

I've got a III and the only thing I've noticed so far is weight reduction.

I've seen a lot of effective BW players on Silver and Gold with their weapons ranked between V and IX (no Xs though), some as Infiltrators, others as Engineers.  Seen some Krogan Sentinals using them as well and do fairly well.

But I only have the level 1 BW and it's too heavy to replace my Mantis, even if I dislike it.  So I don't know how everything increases as it levels up.

[cruc1al]

Blind2Society vomited....

Seriously go away, I've just about had it with you people. I shot a bunch of damn husks in bronze with a widow with EB5 and all the weapon damage upgrades and it took two shots. Once I get a screen cap program that works I will show. Stop posting comments like this and find something constructive to say or I will start reporting.

Maybe you missed and someone else hit it with a pistol at the same time.

Modifié par cruc1al, 05 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[Blind2Society]

Well I feel it's safe to say, due to a whole bunch of factors, that the most likely size of the projectile from the BW/W is 50cal or bigger. What a round like that does to any type of target even at great distance should most certainly allow for one shotting regular enemies no matter where you hit them.

[Blind2Society]

cruc1al wrote...

Blind2Society vomited....

Seriously go away, I've just about had it with you people. I shot a bunch of damn husks in bronze with a widow with EB5 and all the weapon damage upgrades and it took two shots. Once I get a screen cap program that works I will show. Stop posting comments like this and find something constructive to say or I will start reporting.

Maybe you missed and someone else hit it with a pistol at the same time.

That has happened but those are not the instances I'm refering to. And, if that was the case, it would say assit not kill.
; )

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[Lemnisc8]

I too hated the Black Widow when i first got it, and went back to using the widow.

Then i got curious again and started using it on bronze and suddenly the penny dropped on how to use it effectively. Then i went through to gold and never looked back.

Perhaps lag is a serious problem for you, but i will admit that body shots do seem to suck. I'm not going to troll and say "get skillz" or some **** like that because it's just not helpful, and it already seems like you've watched some videos, so i really have no idea why you're getting these problems.

Widow does so much more damage, but the versatility of the BW was too great for me to pass up, plus it really does do massive headshot damage, killing a prime in 2 clips.

IDK what to suggest. I have noticed however never to hip fire the BW as it seems to me there is a damage nerf if you aren't scoped in, not sure if anyone can confirm that. I personally would love it if i could swap the scope of the BW to a shorter one, it would suit my playstyle a bit better.

[HippyGiJoe]

Blind2Society wrote...

Well I feel it's safe to say, due to a whole bunch of factors, that the most likely size of the projectile from the BW/W is 50cal or bigger. What a round like that does to any type of target even at great distance should most certainly allow for one shotting regular enemies no matter where you hit them.

Yeh cause imaginary future bullets should 1 kill everything.

Dude the only way a husk i think can survive on bronze from a bw bullet is if a marauder has given armor to the husk.
Anyway i have had triple kills with 1 bullet of BW on gold so i guess the conclusion is, You Are Doing It Wrong.

[Blind2Society]

Thanks for the reply but I honestly don't feel lag is an issue for me. I do get random lag here and there when I hit quick match but I never do anymore, it's much more consistent to use 'create match'.

All that said, I don't really see how lag would affect damage. Unless you miss completely of course. (which I didn't know until some troll pointed it out earlier in the thread *rolls eyes*)

[Dark Scavenger]

Black widow is IMHO total overkill for bronze - if you insist on bringign along a sniper rifle, a viper or even a raptor can do better job on that difficulty. Yes, it can take down banshees, ravagers, primes and other armored elites quite quickly, but how many of them do you encounter on bronze? As for Carnifex, it is number one heavy pistol in the game and works even better than any sniper rifle on bronze.

On gold, however, for infiltrators I find it highly superior to any other sniper rifle - even though I have just Black widow I, I prefer it to my Widow X. If you actually manage to score headshots, you can kill things very quickly (especially if you have energy drain to make up for an occasional miss).

Have to say, though, that I have encountered the same problem as OP - on gold, I was not able to one shot husk uncloaked with Black Widow I. Not sure why, but the ability to shoot three times before reloading seems to solve the problem, However, to be honest, I had alway a little problem playing as sniper against the reapers - they are very quick and aggresive, force you out of any cover. And ravagers in my case don't seem to mind if I am cloacked.

[ArkkAngel007]

Blind2Society wrote...

Well I feel it's safe to say, due to a whole bunch of factors, that the most likely size of the projectile from the BW/W is 50cal or bigger. What a round like that does to any type of target even at great distance should most certainly allow for one shotting regular enemies no matter where you hit them.

Such as what factors?  The trick is that there is no caliber to these weapons.  They sliver off a piece of metal to fire with the aid of mass effect fields.  The round in the Widow is fired with such force that it causes the intense recoil.  A 50 calibur round fired at the suggested velocity would tear at least a quarter of the torso off.  

These enemies in the game also don't cater to our knowledge of human physiology.  Cerberus troops, we have no idea how far their implants go to affect them.  Geth, they are nowhere near our own neurophysiology.  And Reapers, well, that is a whole lot of ****ed up that we can't even pretend to comprehend.

I'm not going to argue that the BW 1 isn't the greatest, because it isn't.  However, I will argue against things such as the post I'm responding to.  Bottom line, fictional weapons with distinct purposes to gameplay operate very differently from real firearms.

Edit: As someone mentioned above, the damage is pretty much sacrificed for greater versatility. 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 05 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[RazRei]

Dark Scavenger wrote...

Black widow is IMHO total overkill for bronze - if you insist on bringign along a sniper rifle, a viper or even a raptor can do better job on that difficulty. Yes, it can take down banshees, ravagers, primes and other armored elites quite quickly, but how many of them do you encounter on bronze? As for Carnifex, it is number one heavy pistol in the game and works even better than any sniper rifle on bronze.

The Carnifex is just as powerful as the BW and is a zero percent weight once you get it to level X.  Thats my pistol of choice from level 1~10 for my infiltrator.

[ArkkAngel007]

RazRei wrote...

Dark Scavenger wrote...

Black widow is IMHO total overkill for bronze - if you insist on bringign along a sniper rifle, a viper or even a raptor can do better job on that difficulty. Yes, it can take down banshees, ravagers, primes and other armored elites quite quickly, but how many of them do you encounter on bronze? As for Carnifex, it is number one heavy pistol in the game and works even better than any sniper rifle on bronze.

The Carnifex is just as powerful as the BW and is a zero percent weight once you get it to level X.  Thats my pistol of choice from level 1~10 for my infiltrator.

If I can get my Carnifex levelled up, I want to try that.  It's funny how that handgun outshines the majority of the sniper class weapons.

[Blind2Society]

There is a caliber though. It is a metal junk and the gun shaves off bits as ammunition. As that bit of metal goes through the barrel it form into the shape and size of the barrel, it then has a calber. Considering all weapons use the same size chunk and the amount of shots each weapon can fire varies, the size of the projectile is then different. They compare, I think the carni, to the desert eagle which we all know is mainly 50cal. The carni can shoot a lot more rounds than the BW/W therefore the they must shoot a larger projectile.

Unless I'm completely wrong however, in which case someone can clarify.

Btw, the carni with scope and HCB is my weapon of choice and the only one I carry so that's more or less what I'm comparing the BW to.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[realgundam]

it's the default sniper weapon on Gold match because of the ability to break through shields in 1 reload cycle.

Tip: no not use AP mod, use damage and ammo extension.
AP mod for high power weapon is only shoot through walls, not that much benefit on damage.

[Blind2Society]

I only put the extended barrel on it. Does the ammo extension increase the clip size or spare rounds? I know with the phalanx it increased clip size from 16 to 20 but when I tried it on the regular widow all it did was increase spare rounds. I imagine that's all it does for the BW as well?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 avril 2012 - 11:58 .