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[ArkkAngel007]

Blind2Society wrote...

There is a caliber though. It is a metal junk and the gun shaves off bits as ammunition. As that bit of metal goes through the barrel it form into the shape and size of the barrel, it then has a calber. Considering all weapons use the same size chunk and the amount of shots each weapon can fire varies, the size of the projectile is then different. They compare, I think the carni, to the desert eagle which we all know is mainly 50cal. The carni can shoot a lot more rounds than the BW/W therefore the they must shoot a larger projectile.

Unless I'm completely wrong however, in which case someone can clarify.

Btw, the carni with scope and HCB is my weapon of choice and the only one I carry so that's more or less what I'm comparing the BW to.

They don't relate to the size of the barrel exactly.  The majority of the weapons in ME (the exceptions being the Graal, GPS, Disciple, etc) are essentially rail cannons.  The pieces are actually very small, and their impact is all based at the mass effect assisted velocity that piece is launched.  The higher the velocity, the greater the recoil and, possibly, the heat.

[RazRei]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Dark Scavenger wrote...

Black widow is IMHO total overkill for bronze - if you insist on bringign along a sniper rifle, a viper or even a raptor can do better job on that difficulty. Yes, it can take down banshees, ravagers, primes and other armored elites quite quickly, but how many of them do you encounter on bronze? As for Carnifex, it is number one heavy pistol in the game and works even better than any sniper rifle on bronze.

The Carnifex is just as powerful as the BW and is a zero percent weight once you get it to level X.  Thats my pistol of choice from level 1~10 for my infiltrator.

If I can get my Carnifex levelled up, I want to try that.  It's funny how that handgun outshines the majority of the sniper class weapons.

Yeah that's how I roll in bronze/silver with my level 10 > Infiltrator

Carnifex X
Pistol Piercing Mod V
Pistol Scope V

Let the good times roll as you have 40 + 6 in the thermal clip.

I would love to know how much the paladin weights at X , as of now I sit on two Paladin's at level II (PC and PS3) so the Carnifex atm outclasses them in stats.

Modifié par RazRei, 06 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[Dark Scavenger]

RazRei wrote...

Dark Scavenger wrote...

Black widow is IMHO total overkill for bronze - if you insist on bringign along a sniper rifle, a viper or even a raptor can do better job on that difficulty. Yes, it can take down banshees, ravagers, primes and other armored elites quite quickly, but how many of them do you encounter on bronze? As for Carnifex, it is number one heavy pistol in the game and works even better than any sniper rifle on bronze.

The Carnifex is just as powerful as the BW and is a zero percent weight once you get it to level X.  Thats my pistol of choice from level 1~10 for my infiltrator.

As a matter of fact, I have Carnifex X and I use it quite a lot, just not with the infiltrators. It is nowhere near as powerful as Black Widow I on gold, but I'll admit that on lower difficulties it is much better option. It is definitely the best gun for asari adepts at any time

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Use it with a turian soldier's marksman. Amazing results.

[realgundam]

it increases spare rounds, like Shotguns. It's in the description :S

FYI, (if you didn't know) thermal clips are not the actual bullets. It's a system to cool down the weapon.
Don't really know where the infinite amount of bullets are coming from. Maybe they are just shooting out mass effect fields? or super charged plasma?

[okita_luc]

I got it today and it's pretty good, in higher levels will be awesome

[KingNothing125]

Black Widow can shoot through Guardians' shield without a shredder mod. It therefore wins.

[Blind2Society]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

There is a caliber though. It is a metal junk and the gun shaves off bits as ammunition. As that bit of metal goes through the barrel it form into the shape and size of the barrel, it then has a calber. Considering all weapons use the same size chunk and the amount of shots each weapon can fire varies, the size of the projectile is then different. They compare, I think the carni, to the desert eagle which we all know is mainly 50cal. The carni can shoot a lot more rounds than the BW/W therefore the they must shoot a larger projectile.

Unless I'm completely wrong however, in which case someone can clarify.

Btw, the carni with scope and HCB is my weapon of choice and the only one I carry so that's more or less what I'm comparing the BW to.

They don't relate to the size of the barrel exactly.  The majority of the weapons in ME (the exceptions being the Graal, GPS, Disciple, etc) are essentially rail cannons.  The pieces are actually very small, and their impact is all based at the mass effect assisted velocity that piece is launched.  The higher the velocity, the greater the recoil and, possibly, the heat.

Not sure exactly what you mean but if the forces the causes the projectile to move is behind the projectile then said projectile would form to the barrel. Also, if they are all the same size then how would one account for increased stopping power of different guns?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 06 avril 2012 - 12:10 .

[RazRei]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Black Widow can shoot through Guardians' shield without a shredder mod. It therefore wins.

So can the widow and javelin so void.

[ArkkAngel007]

realgundam wrote...

it increases spare rounds, like Shotguns. It's in the description :S

FYI, (if you didn't know) thermal clips are not the actual bullets. It's a system to cool down the weapon.
Don't really know where the infinite amount of bullets are coming from. Maybe they are just shooting out mass effect fields? or super charged plasma?

It's basically a metal block.  Pieces are sheared off and launched through a mass effect field at a force equivilent to the intended impact.

Thermal clips came later to prevent the overheating weapons in lore, and to put an ammo mechanic into ME2.

[tabaac]

Blind2Society wrote...

I only put the extended barrel on it. Does the ammo extension increase the clip size or spare rounds? I know with the phalanx it increased clip size from 16 to 20 but when I tried it on the regular widow all it did was increase spare rounds. I imagine that's all it does for the BW as well?

It's in the title, Magazine upgrade and Spare ammo upgrade are in fact different. As to your issue with the black widow on bronze, I have no problem one shotting husks on bronze with any character, regardless of shot placement (XBL).

[KingNothing125]

RazRei wrote...

So can the widow and javelin so void.

Widow is one-round-magazine and Javelin has that annoying charge-up time.

[Blind2Society]

tabaac wrote...

It's in the title, Magazine upgrade and Spare ammo upgrade are in fact different.

Yeah, I have to admit, When talking weapon mods I usually just look at the pick and the numbers. For a while I didn't know the difference b/w EB and HCB, they both increase damage and both look the same. I'm on PC so I can't check and post at the same time so I just aksed. Hopefully I can buck the trend of just looking at the pics and numbers on the weapon mods from now on ; )

tabaac wrote...

As to your issue with the black widow on bronze, I have no problem one shotting husks on bronze with any character, regardless of shot placement (XBL).

That seems to be the case for most everybody but me unfortunately.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 06 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[Shepard VI]

I have the Black Widow I, Widow IX Valiant I and Javelin I.

I have used all snipers extensively (and by extensively I mean at least one successful gold match per, although for all except the Javelin much more than that, since I just unlocked it.)

I'm partial to the Widow right now, owing to the fact that it's almost maxed out. It's way lighter, carries more ammo, and most importantly, it's a juggernaut that deals the most damage per shot than anything else.

While I wish my premium spectre packs would yield some Black Widow upgrades, I have to live with the Widow for now, and I'm fine with that. But once the BW is upgraded, I fully intend to use it the most. It is the most enjoyable sniper out of all of them, all things considered.

[Volmax]

The Black Widow is one of the best guns in the game if you know how to use it. (ie, get headshots, or even better, cloak and then headshot).

If you don't know how to use it, like the OP, then it's not good. No gun is good when wielded by an incompetent.

[ArkkAngel007]

Blind2Society wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

There is a caliber though. It is a metal junk and the gun shaves off bits as ammunition. As that bit of metal goes through the barrel it form into the shape and size of the barrel, it then has a calber. Considering all weapons use the same size chunk and the amount of shots each weapon can fire varies, the size of the projectile is then different. They compare, I think the carni, to the desert eagle which we all know is mainly 50cal. The carni can shoot a lot more rounds than the BW/W therefore the they must shoot a larger projectile.

Unless I'm completely wrong however, in which case someone can clarify.

Btw, the carni with scope and HCB is my weapon of choice and the only one I carry so that's more or less what I'm comparing the BW to.

They don't relate to the size of the barrel exactly.  The majority of the weapons in ME (the exceptions being the Graal, GPS, Disciple, etc) are essentially rail cannons.  The pieces are actually very small, and their impact is all based at the mass effect assisted velocity that piece is launched.  The higher the velocity, the greater the recoil and, possibly, the heat.

Not sure exactly what you mean but if the forces the causes the projectile to move is behind the projectile then said projectile would form to the barrel. Also, if they are all the same size then how would one account for increased stopping power of different guns?

It's in the codex under small arms I believe, and is also discussed in ME Revelation (prequel to ME1), though I'm sure the ME wiki has all that information.  

The length of the barrel factors into the velocity more than likely, but the radius of the barrel may not due to the mechanics behind the system in ME.  The pieces are probably larger, but not incredibly so.  

The stopping power is related to the launched velocity of the round.  For example, you could fire a round capable of the same destructive capabilities as a nuclear weapon with a Widow.  However, the recoil would be about equal to the force of that impact.  In that case, the user of the weapon would not survive that shot, nor will anything nearby in the direction the recoil is directed towards.

[Blind2Society]

Maybe you just read the OP and skipped the rest there Volmax, so I'll repeat the warning (AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST!). Any more trolling, insulting posts like yours WILL be reported.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 06 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[Blind2Society]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


It's in the codex under small arms I believe, and is also discussed in ME Revelation (prequel to ME1), though I'm sure the ME wiki has all that information.  

The length of the barrel factors into the velocity more than likely, but the radius of the barrel may not due to the mechanics behind the system in ME.  The pieces are probably larger, but not incredibly so.  

The stopping power is related to the launched velocity of the round.  For example, you could fire a round capable of the same destructive capabilities as a nuclear weapon with a Widow.  However, the recoil would be about equal to the force of that impact.  In that case, the user of the weapon would not survive that shot, nor will anything nearby in the direction the recoil is directed towards.

I suppose so. I wish a dev would magically appear and say 'this is how it works, no ifs ands or buts.'  ; )

[RazRei]

Volmax wrote...

The Black Widow is one of the best guns in the game if you know how to use it. (ie, get headshots, or even better, cloak and then headshot).

If you don't know how to use it, like the OP, then it's not good. No gun is good when wielded by an incompetent.

Why do you have to insult a person for not liking the samething as you?

To the OP just go and use it more and you'll see its worth after a few rounds.  I had a widow X on and a Widow VIII befor I ever got my 1st BW and I also didn't like it at 1st. You ALWAYS had to get a headshot and we all know how hard that can be at times with all the stuff happening around you.  IE Biotic explosions the HHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEE Nova's of human vanguards making sure you'll never get that headshot.  But after a few rounds with it, it just clicks.  If you can't get headshots all the time then I suggest going to the Widow/Javelin/Mantis.

[Blind2Society]

It may be true, it doesn't necessarily suck. But for me, it serves no purpose. If it can't kill regular enemies in one shot (for most it does but for me it doesn't) then it serves me no purpose, I would rather stick with my carnifex.

Maybe that's not completely true either now that I think of it. It does seem to do very good damage to mid to heavy enemies and I rarely use powers so I could use it along with my carni and switch to it for the big guys? Still just wish it would one shot regular enemies for me though.

[ArkkAngel007]

Blind2Society wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


It's in the codex under small arms I believe, and is also discussed in ME Revelation (prequel to ME1), though I'm sure the ME wiki has all that information.  

The length of the barrel factors into the velocity more than likely, but the radius of the barrel may not due to the mechanics behind the system in ME.  The pieces are probably larger, but not incredibly so.  

The stopping power is related to the launched velocity of the round.  For example, you could fire a round capable of the same destructive capabilities as a nuclear weapon with a Widow.  However, the recoil would be about equal to the force of that impact.  In that case, the user of the weapon would not survive that shot, nor will anything nearby in the direction the recoil is directed towards.

I suppose so. I wish a dev would magically appear and say 'this is how it works, no ifs ands or buts.'  ; )

Like I said, it's in the actual game if you open up the Codex.  You may have to check back in the first two though, since I noticed a lot of the lore entries in those games didn't carry over in ME3, even if they did between 1 and 2.

[phantom121294]

3>1
ED will not drain some of enemys shields completely.
BW+TC= most dps of any weapon in the game.
3 shots before cloak ends= more damage than any sniper can put out.
Even if someone guy comes along with a wall of text to counteract above statement, shield gate still makes Bw the best sniper in the game. Javalin level X is debatable.

3>1

Modifié par phantom121294, 06 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[RazRei]

Blind2Society wrote...

It may be true, it doesn't necessarily suck. But for me, it serves no purpose. If it can't kill regular enemies in one shot (for most it does but for me it doesn't) then it serves me no purpose, I would rather stick with my carnifex.

Maybe that's not completely true either now that I think of it. It does seem to do very good damage to mid to heavy enemies and I rarely use powers so I could use it along with my carni and switch to it for the big guys? Still just wish it would one shot regular enemies for me though.

Well if you're an infiltrator the BW, Widow, Javelin, Mantis, GPS, Claymore, Carnifex, Paladin, and valiant are all useful weapons. 

So if it doesn't work for you just put it down and pick up something else.  No one is forcing you to use it.

IE on consoles its kind of hard at times to get headshots with the analog stick (for me anyways) compared to just reaming with my mouse.  So if you can't get headshots on most enemies that need headshots then its going to be a useless weapon for your needs.

Modifié par RazRei, 06 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[Blind2Society]

Trust me I read the codex religiously on my first playthroughs of 1 and 2 (it's been quite a while which is why I'm not all that sure), not so much with 3 because I figured they would be relatively the same.

It appears I'll have to go through them again on my next playthrough of the series though.


Oh, one thing I forgot to mention, my widowII does one shot regular enemies on bronze if I recall correctly (it's been a while)

Modifié par Blind2Society, 06 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[Vipala]

RazRei wrote...

How much health does the cannibal have in Silver? Because a BW 1 can't take one out with a body shot, you need a head shot.

Black Widow.. why .. are you talking about.. SILVER at all ?