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[MintyCool]

Back Lot Basher wrote...

MintyCool, I'm not sure what all the animosity is about here, but I for one think your post is well written, insightful, and shows a keen sense of observation. You make a lot of very salient points about themes and the imagery used to convey them. I wouldn't worry too much about the comments from some of these folks; I get the sense that many of them are barely literate.

Anyway, thanks very much for posting that. I wish Bioware would provide a separate forum for people who enjoyed the ending, and would like to discuss its meaning without being shouted down by people whose only contribution is a lack of imagination.

Cheers!

Thanks mate! The hardest part is that upset Retakers say, "Respond to our posts with some intelligence."

Yet, if you look the majority of their thoughts with-in this thread....

- They call me troll
- They belittle me without stating why they feel my views are astray
- They demand no one respond to threads that they personally disagree with
- They demand that I be banned because I disagree with their own views

To me, it just seems they're in denial about the end of Retake, so they just resort to attacks....

I'm always up for new insight. Just hard to start a discussion....

Thanks for the thoughts!

Modifié par MintyCool, 05 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[mrderp27]

know what's awesome? mondo fruit drinks

[Sparse]

MintyCool wrote...

Thanks mate! The hardest part is that upset Retakers say, "Respond to our posts with some intelligence."

Yet, if you look the majority of their thoughts with-in this thread....

- They call me troll
- They belittle me without stating why they feel my views are astray
- They demand no one respond to threads that they personally disagree with
- They demand that I be banned because I disagree with their own views

To me, it just seems they're in denial about the end of Retake, so they just resort to attacks....

I'm always up for new insight. Just hard to start a discussion....

Thanks for the thoughts!

People call you a troll because you keep posting pretty much the same thing over and over again.

If you want insight then I can assure you that you are completely wrong in how you define artistic integrity.

Artistic vision exists in the artist's mind and the purpose of the piece of art they produce is to transfer that vision as coherently and accurately as possible into the minds of their audience.

If the piece of art fails to do that then the artist can change it, or throw it away and start over (and frequently they do) without compromising their integrity because the piece of art is merely a delivery system, it is not an integral part of any vision.

As any creative person will be able to come up with countless completely different ways to express precisely the same vision the whole idea that any change to a piece of art somehow compromises the artist's vision is totally wrong.

[legion999]

vertigo72 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Agreed.

I have a pile of poo on steam, but ME is only game that I can replay. Sorry for retakers, go play CoD or something

Nah I'll play Fallout and The Witcher. See my choices MATTER.

I tried Fallout, but there is so much bull**** familly issues that i stopped. Also it's depressive. I don't like games with swords. Sci-fi is more acceptable than pseudo-past.

You don't like games with swords? You must dislike Mass Effect 3 then.

And which Fallout has bull**** family issues? Also I find it more depressing knowing that characters I formed an emotioal attachment to starve to death.

[Vromrig]

MintyCool was banned the last time he went about like this. In time it'll happen again.

[Tedler]

OP, your style of writing makes me want to disagree with you, even though I agree with you. You should work on that.

[DarkSpider88]

"They demand that I be banned because I disagree with their own views"

No I want to see you banned because you post the exact same thread every week or so. You use the word checkmate in a way that asks to inspire hatred. You are entitled to an opinion if you can do so in a non-antagonistic manner.

[Turkeysock]

Sparse wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Thanks mate! The hardest part is that upset Retakers say, "Respond to our posts with some intelligence."

Yet, if you look the majority of their thoughts with-in this thread....

- They call me troll
- They belittle me without stating why they feel my views are astray
- They demand no one respond to threads that they personally disagree with
- They demand that I be banned because I disagree with their own views

To me, it just seems they're in denial about the end of Retake, so they just resort to attacks....

I'm always up for new insight. Just hard to start a discussion....

Thanks for the thoughts!

People call you a troll because you keep posting pretty much the same thing over and over again.

If you want insight then I can assure you that you are completely wrong in how you define artistic integrity.

Artistic vision exists in the artist's mind and the purpose of the piece of art they produce is to transfer that vision as coherently and accurately as possible into the minds of their audience.

If the piece of art fails to do that then the artist can change it, or throw it away and start over (and frequently they do) without compromising their integrity because the piece of art is merely a delivery system, it is not an integral part of any vision.

As any creative person will be able to come up with countless completely different ways to express precisely the same vision the whole idea that any change to a piece of art somehow compromises the artist's vision is totally wrong.

Don't forget Minty was also attempting to derail a lot of threads that had an opinion that differed from his/her own. Which is why he/she got a temp ban.

[liggy002]

Thank God this isn't real and just a troll.

[paynesgrey]

Congratulating EA for "checkmating", in other words... beating, winning out over the fans of the game. Yeah. That's something to be proud of. Defeating your customers and denying them what they wanted. Trying to explain why the railroad tracks are nice doesn't change the fact that they all lead to the same place with no real impact from the choices and accomplishments the players made.

[Tony208]

Mintycool is an obvious troll, making these threads over and over again.

Mintycool already made half a dozen threads saying the EXACT SAME THING.

Modifié par Tony208, 05 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[ThunderSoul]

MintyCool wrote...

The winds of change.....



On behalf of the Mass Effect fan base;

Thank you for bringing more clarity to the Crucible narrative by releasing free DLC for the fan base:

Dr Ray Muzyka wrote..."With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team's artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe."

The Crucible narrative will now forever be cemented into the Mass Effect lore.

EA you have just performed a Checkmate, congrats!

Sincerely,

Fans of Mass Effect




With This News, We Can Surmise a Few Things:

- EA and Bioware support artistic integrity by respecting the Mass Effect narrative in its original entirety.

- EA and Bioware feel that it's not the public's right to demand that the fiction of the Mass Effect Universe be altered just because they disagree with narratives conclusion. If changes were made to the fiction; they felt the repercussions will send devastating ripples throughout the entire industry.

- EA and Bioware have allied with Pro-enders, the media, and the public regarding the ending.




Why The Ending Simply Works:

1. Shepard, war torn and exhausted, leaped into the crucibles energy source sacrificing his life to intertwine existences between synthetics and organics.

A few hours ago, this is how my tale ended after five years of Mass Effect; and I was quite satisfied with the ending.

2. The writing team behind Mass Effect 3 was able to elevate the narrative premise by weaving a philosophical debate about the relationship between organic and synthetic coexistence. The entire story throughout the third addition is laced with the ideas of life, harmony, and self preservation.

More than ever, the story has morphed into a game about big themes and big ideas.

Just some of the thoughts explored throughout this game...

EDI and free will, Synthetic dominance, Lineage, Genophage, Causality, Geth/quarian conflict, Determinism, Legacy - Miranda's father, Synchronicity and Kaiden, False Theology-Asari Prothean Gods, personal fulfillment, etc.

Compared to the previous installments that may have skimmed over some of these topics, all the philosophical and sociological debates/conflicts in this iteration have the main goal of bolstering the main theme of Mass Effect 3,

The existence of The Creators vs. The Created.

3. Two camps are formed because of this instance. The story the writers wish to tell, and the fans who feel entitled to observe the story they themselves envisioned.

The writers, it seems, realized the message that they wanted people to take from this third installment. This had the team shifting the narrative focus to a more elevated dynamic.

The coexistence of Synthetics vs. Organics.

4. To this end, Mass Effect 3 succeeds in weaving a narrative from beginning to end. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Philosophical themes trounce the Neanderthal-dopamine induced urges people wish to see in this addition. Especially in the end game where this theme becomes the stories main focal point.

Honestly is a cameo appearance from Wrex for the 50th time really going to add anything to the finality of this story? No.

5. Unfortunately I find a Star Wars Syndrome happening with this series. A fan base digesting every bit of corn fructose they can gulp down. Needing everything to be spelled out; desperate to know every last bit of information.

Why must one need to see Tali's face? Why do we need to know a detailed history of the Protheans? How come we need to see the Rachni and Krogan attack the enemy? Isn't the struggle of loss and war already inferred multiple times throughout the story? The focus of the end game is obviously being developed on a much deeper/different theme.

Midichlorians anyone? You do not need to know how exactly the force works...

This desperate need to dig up plot holes and inconsistencies from the hard core is entirely unhealthy for the series and its fans. All stories have inconsistencies, stories you tell to your friends are punched up exaggerations of what really happened. Your Facebook account is not a mirror image of the life you lead, but the life you wish you lived.

You had the chance to say goodbye to the entire main cast in one way or another. Multiple times is it mentioned/inferred that all races are about to battle the Reapers.

Needing to know a detailed resolution of what happens to everyone in the galaxy only dilutes the escapist reality the writers created.

Some things are better left to the imagination. Less is more and allowing the mind to explore possibilities is one of the great strengths of human thought.

6. In the end, it would seem the Bioware writing team effectively succeeded in what they wanted to say in the Mass Effect saga. This is something I can respect. Instead of appeasing to the vocal mob; they finished the story on their own terms.

Mass Effect became a tale about cultural synthesis. The Mass Effect team was finally able to find this series a voice. Knowing this, makes me content that I have finished this series in its entirety; in the way it was meant to be seen.

And I enjoyed every minute of it.




Industry Supporters of the Ending:

Forbes: http://www.forbes.co...ith-free-dlc/2/
BioShock Creator Ken Levine: http://www.digitalsp...ken-levine.html

Penny Arcades Ben Kuchera: http://www.penny-arc...the-series-mass

Kotaku: http://www.kotaku.co...ver-be-changed/

Colin Moriarty: http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

ThumbCulture: http://thumb-culture...n-mass-effects/

Destructoid: http://www.destructo...ew-223218.phtml

Daniel Starky: http://www.destructo...wn-223966.phtml

Shack News: http://www.shacknews...effect-3-review

Garnett Lee: http://www.shacknews...-gdc-remainders

Jeff Cannata: http://www.shacknews...-gdc-remainders

Game Informer: www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/21/hey-bioware-while-you-39-re-at-it.aspx



Continue to check back for more updates, news, checkmate, and more.

rofl u must b dillusional... taking side of a bad ending just because you cant admit the truth: it sucked. it sucks admiting that you spent 5 years for nothing, doesnt it? denial much?

[Canis_Major]

I respect OP for liking deus ex machina endings.

Some people just need it simple.

Good for you!

[Tovanus]

Art can in fact be judged based on technical skill. It's true in painting. It's true in music. It's true in writing. Artistic integrity does not mean defending poor artistic skill. The writing is inconsistent, makes use of rightly mocked plot devices, breaks with genre and themes, and generally fails the audience.

To use a music analogy, it's a little bit like listening to a John Williams tune. Things are going great. Then you get to the last few measures of the music piece, and suddenly you hear "Hot Cross Buns" being played..... with a recorder..... by a kid in first grade..... who clearly didn't do his homework assignment to practice playing it.

If the composer insisted that every performance include that ending, despite the fact that his fans hated it and were urging him to change it, it would come across as artistic arrogance, not artistic integrity.

(Note, the actual ending music of Mass Effect sounds great to me, so I'm not criticizing the game's composer at all, I'm just making a musical analogy to story telling).

Modifié par Tovanus, 05 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[Taboo]

Tovanus wrote...

Art can in fact be judged based on technical skill. It's true in painting. It's true in music. It's true in writing. Artistic integrity does not mean defending poor artistic skill. The writing is inconsistent, makes use of rightly mocked plot devices, breaks with genre and themes, and generally fails the audience.

To use a music analogy, it's a little bit like listening to a John Williams tune. Things are going great. Then you get to the last few measures of the music piece, and suddenly you hear "Hot Cross Buns" being played..... with a recorder..... by a kid in first grade..... who clearly didn't do his homework assignment to practice playing it.

If the composer insisted that every performance include that ending, despite the fact that his fans hated it and were urging him to change it, it would come across as artistic arrogance, not artistic integrity.

(Note, the actual ending music of Mass Effect sounds great to me, so I'm not criticizing the game's composer at all, I'm just making a musical analogy to story telling).

MintyCool does not understand art. Please do not explain it to him.

[Turbotanden]

Holo-kid lies about the destroy ending, so he probably lies about the other endings. So we actually know nothing about the current ending. How do they clarify something that is currently nothing?

[clarkusdarkus]

yawn

[Dragoni89]

MintyCool wrote...

Back Lot Basher wrote...

MintyCool, I'm not sure what all the animosity is about here, but I for one think your post is well written, insightful, and shows a keen sense of observation. You make a lot of very salient points about themes and the imagery used to convey them. I wouldn't worry too much about the comments from some of these folks; I get the sense that many of them are barely literate.

Anyway, thanks very much for posting that. I wish Bioware would provide a separate forum for people who enjoyed the ending, and would like to discuss its meaning without being shouted down by people whose only contribution is a lack of imagination.

Cheers!

Thanks mate! The hardest part is that upset Retakers say, "Respond to our posts with some intelligence."

Yet, if you look the majority of their thoughts with-in this thread....

- They call me troll
- They belittle me without stating why they feel my views are astray
- They demand no one respond to threads that they personally disagree with
- They demand that I be banned because I disagree with their own views

To me, it just seems they're in denial about the end of Retake, so they just resort to attacks....

I'm always up for new insight. Just hard to start a discussion....

Thanks for the thoughts!

When was the last time you did not get shut down with all the probelms with the endings? You still have not answered any of the probelms raised with the ending. Please stfu

Just one of stupid things you said, can't find exact thing but sounds about right

Mintycool : " There are no plot holes or probelms in the game about the ending, just replay the game and you get everything about the ending. So the miniorty can only whine, they did not see the clues that explains everything about the ending.

Dragoni89: Where is the evidence? Rather than just stating a pointless statement, actually display some evidence.

Mintycool: silence
A person who posts he liked the post

Mintycool: So you like my post you get the endings unlike the retakers, no plot holes at all. Everything explained int the game. All they got is look for the clues.

Another poster: What clues explain or show.

Mintycool silence

Thats pretty much how it goes.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 05 avril 2012 - 11:47 .

[Khayness]

MintyCool wrote...

Why The Ending Simply Works:

2. The writing team behind Mass Effect 3 was able to elevate the narrative premise by weaving a philosophical debate about the relationship between organic and synthetic coexistence. The entire story throughout the third addition is laced with the ideas of life, harmony, and self preservation.

More than ever, the story has morphed into a game about big themes and big ideas.

Just some of the thoughts explored throughout this game...

EDI and free will, Synthetic dominance, Lineage, Genophage, Causality, Geth/quarian conflict, Determinism, Legacy - Miranda's father, Synchronicity and Kaiden, False Theology-Asari Prothean Gods, personal fulfillment, etc.

Compared to the previous installments that may have skimmed over some of these topics, all the philosophical and sociological debates/conflicts in this iteration have the main goal of bolstering the main theme of Mass Effect 3,

The existence of The Creators vs. The Created.

3. Two camps are formed because of this instance. The story the writers wish to tell, and the fans who feel entitled to observe the story they themselves envisioned.

The writers, it seems, realized the message that they wanted people to take from this third installment. This had the team shifting the narrative focus to a more elevated dynamic.

The coexistence of Synthetics vs. Organics.

4. To this end, Mass Effect 3 succeeds in weaving a narrative from beginning to end. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Philosophical themes trounce the Neanderthal-dopamine induced urges people wish to see in this addition. Especially in the end game where this theme becomes the stories main focal point.

Sounds like an awesome game, what is it called?

[Alamar2078]

While I don't really care for the OP's post do we have to throw stones at our fellow ME fan??? Yeah I think the OP is getting a kick out of being on the winning side but I have much bigger fish to fry currently.

FYI: I'm a "retaker" and really detest the endings. I feel jipped that BW "deliberately mislead" many people about the endings so in no way am I on the OP's side.

[Gmandam]

Ah yes Minty's non bias we have dismissed this claim.

[WilliamDracul88]

Why is not this troll thread locked?

[Roudy3006]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Guys this is the same person who stated "Checkmate" after every badly organized post.

Exactly....search for "Checkmate" in the forums and you'll find the other 5 or so threads Minty has created. Don't worry though, you won't have to read them since they all contain about 90% of the same text with some new imaginative trolling added to the top...

[Taboo]

Just report the thread. Stanley has closed them before for being hate groups........

[Geomon19]

I'm a bit confused actually. For those who say they like the ending as is, why would you want the DLC? There's a good chance it might ruin that warm bubbly feeling you have right now with the current unexplained ending.

But either way, I'm actually glad some people out there got to enjoy their money's worth and hopefully will enjoy it even more with clarification.