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[Computron2000]

Computron2000 wrote...

Why are all of you falling for this attention seeker? This moron bumps his own thread after it no on responds to him for 20 minutes because people ignore him, then he links this thread in other inflammatory posts.

This is a classic case of a low self esteem person who feels the need to be noticed by people. Pity him but ignore this type of person and let this thread die

[Denora]

Lmaoboat wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

You're a troll.

whiteraider wrote...

OP: I can only assume you are an EA Shill...

chuckles471 wrote...

I just feel sorry for you.

NAWhisperBlade wrote...

Troll. Art doesn't sell.

DarkSpider88 wrote...

You know sometimes I wished I could wield the ban hammer just once... well today is one of those days.

LordSlavius wrote...

If you think he's a troll then STOP F***ING BUMPING THE DAMN THREAD.

Most of you have replaced others experiences with your own. You have lost your individuality by becoming absorbed into a mob mentality. You became part of a Retake Hivemind.

What happens when someone comes along and states a different view or offers new insight?

You attack, belittle, and use vitriolic statements. If that doesn't work, you demand others to be silent so that the thread is shunned into infinity.

The Retake Hivemind.



Creativity wins. Always. Checkmate.

I see you're back to your old tactics of showing absolutely disgusting level of condescension, while simultaneously acting like everyone is lashing out at you with unprovoked attacks.

^ Agreed,
EVERY time I see this person, it's always an aggressive post seeming designed to create hate and belittle others.

You attack, belittle, and use vitriolic statements. If that doesn't
work, you demand others to be silent so that the thread is shunned into
infinity.

Seriously, you do the same thing to everyone who disagrees with you. People like you cause this forum to be filled with hate and flame wars. Why so many people I know have left the forums because they can't have actual discussions without being yelled at.

So Thank you very much.

Modifié par Denora, 06 avril 2012 - 01:01 .

[MintyCool]

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

[quote]Computron2000 wrote...

Why are all of you falling for this attention seeker? This moron bumps his own thread after it no on responds to him for 20 minutes because people ignore him, then he links this thread in other inflammatory posts.

This is a classic case of a low self esteem person who feels the need to be noticed by people. Pity him but ignore this type of person and let this thread die[/quote]
[/quote]

Keeping copying and pasting your comment....

Another Retake member who feels a topic should be shunned by all because he disagrees with someone else's views.

How cute. Off to dinner.

[quote]Denora wrote...

[quote]Lmaoboat wrote...

[quote]MintyCool wrote...


[quote]Leafs43 wrote...

You're a troll.[/quote]
[quote]whiteraider wrote...

OP: I can only assume you are an EA Shill...[/quote]
[quote]chuckles471 wrote...

I just feel sorry for you.[/quote]
[quote]NAWhisperBlade wrote...

Troll. Art doesn't sell.[/quote]
[quote]DarkSpider88 wrote...

You know sometimes I wished I could wield the ban hammer just once... well today is one of those days.[/quote]
[quote]LordSlavius wrote...

If you think he's a troll then STOP F***ING BUMPING THE DAMN THREAD.[/quote]

Most
of you have replaced others experiences with your own. You have lost
your individuality by becoming absorbed into a mob mentality. You became
part of a Retake Hivemind.

What happens when someone comes along and states a different view or offers new insight?

You
attack, belittle, and use vitriolic statements. If that doesn't work,
you demand others to be silent so that the thread is shunned into
infinity.

The Retake Hivemind.



Creativity wins. Always. Checkmate.
[/quote]
I
see you're back to your old tactics of showing absolutely disgusting
level of condescension, while simultaneously acting like everyone is
lashing out at you with unprovoked attacks.

[/quote]

^ Agreed,
 time I see this person, it's always an aggressive post seeming designed to create hate and belittle others.

[quote] You attack, belittle, and use vitriolic statements. If that doesn't
work, you demand others to be silent so that the thread is shunned into
infinity.[/quote]


So many people I know have left the forums because they can't have actual
discussions without being yelled at.

[/quote]

You have read Retakes responses to my thoughts right? Cause there reaction fits your description perfectly.


Note: For the few of you that actually did respond with some intelligence. After dinner with some friends; I'll try to respond to your thoughts when i get back. luv!

Modifié par MintyCool, 06 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[YohkoOhno]

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

[Tony208]

MintyCool wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Why are all of you falling for this attention seeker? This moron bumps his own thread after it no on responds to him for 20 minutes because people ignore him, then he links this thread in other inflammatory posts.

This is a classic case of a low self esteem person who feels the need to be noticed by people. Pity him but ignore this type of person and let this thread die

Keeping copying and pasting your comment....

Another Retake member who feels a topic should be shunned by all because he disagrees with that persons views.

How cute. Off to dinner.


Note: For the few of you that actually did respond with some intelligence. After dinner with some friends; I'll try to respond to your thoughts when i get back. luv!

Copying and pasting? Isn't that what you do every time your thread gets locked? Isn't this like the 6th iteration?

[Computron2000]

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

I would recommend you check the person's post history before defending said person.

[MintyCool]

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

Thank you.

[Silvren555]

Ea and BioWare can enjoy their artistic integrity all they like, but they will not again enjoy the contents of my wallet.

[QuantumSheep13]

There's a difference between voicing your opinion and being a condescending tool.

[DarkSpider88]

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

There are posters you should defend and then there is Minty Cool <_<

[stuka1000]

MintyCool wrote...

The winds of change.....



On behalf of the Mass Effect fan base;

Thank you for bringing more clarity to the Crucible narrative by releasing free DLC for the fan base:

Dr Ray Muzyka wrote..."With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team's artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe."

The Crucible narrative will now forever be cemented into the Mass Effect lore.

EA you have just performed a Checkmate, congrats!

Sincerely,

Fans of Mass Effect




With This News, We Can Surmise a Few Things:

- EA and Bioware support artistic integrity by respecting the Mass Effect narrative in its original entirety.

- EA and Bioware feel that it's not the public's right to demand that the fiction of the Mass Effect Universe be altered just because they disagree with narratives conclusion. If changes were made to the fiction; they felt the repercussions will send devastating ripples throughout the entire industry.

- EA and Bioware have allied with Pro-enders, the media, and the public regarding the ending.




Why The Ending Simply Works:

1. Shepard, war torn and exhausted, leaped into the crucibles energy source sacrificing his life to intertwine existences between synthetics and organics.

A few hours ago, this is how my tale ended after five years of Mass Effect; and I was quite satisfied with the ending.

2. The writing team behind Mass Effect 3 was able to elevate the narrative premise by weaving a philosophical debate about the relationship between organic and synthetic coexistence. The entire story throughout the third addition is laced with the ideas of life, harmony, and self preservation.

More than ever, the story has morphed into a game about big themes and big ideas.

Just some of the thoughts explored throughout this game...

EDI and free will, Synthetic dominance, Lineage, Genophage, Causality, Geth/quarian conflict, Determinism, Legacy - Miranda's father, Synchronicity and Kaiden, False Theology-Asari Prothean Gods, personal fulfillment, etc.

Compared to the previous installments that may have skimmed over some of these topics, all the philosophical and sociological debates/conflicts in this iteration have the main goal of bolstering the main theme of Mass Effect 3,

The existence of The Creators vs. The Created.

3. Two camps are formed because of this instance. The story the writers wish to tell, and the fans who feel entitled to observe the story they themselves envisioned.

The writers, it seems, realized the message that they wanted people to take from this third installment. This had the team shifting the narrative focus to a more elevated dynamic.

The coexistence of Synthetics vs. Organics.

4. To this end, Mass Effect 3 succeeds in weaving a narrative from beginning to end. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Philosophical themes trounce the Neanderthal-dopamine induced urges people wish to see in this addition. Especially in the end game where this theme becomes the stories main focal point.

Honestly is a cameo appearance from Wrex for the 50th time really going to add anything to the finality of this story? No.

5. Unfortunately I find a Star Wars Syndrome happening with this series. A fan base digesting every bit of corn fructose they can gulp down. Needing everything to be spelled out; desperate to know every last bit of information.

Why must one need to see Tali's face? Why do we need to know a detailed history of the Protheans? How come we need to see the Rachni and Krogan attack the enemy? Isn't the struggle of loss and war already inferred multiple times throughout the story? The focus of the end game is obviously being developed on a much deeper/different theme.

Midichlorians anyone? You do not need to know how exactly the force works...

This desperate need to dig up plot holes and inconsistencies from the hard core is entirely unhealthy for the series and its fans. All stories have inconsistencies, stories you tell to your friends are punched up exaggerations of what really happened. Your Facebook account is not a mirror image of the life you lead, but the life you wish you lived.

You had the chance to say goodbye to the entire main cast in one way or another. Multiple times is it mentioned/inferred that all races are about to battle the Reapers.

Needing to know a detailed resolution of what happens to everyone in the galaxy only dilutes the escapist reality the writers created.

Some things are better left to the imagination. Less is more and allowing the mind to explore possibilities is one of the great strengths of human thought.

6. In the end, it would seem the Bioware writing team effectively succeeded in what they wanted to say in the Mass Effect saga. This is something I can respect. Instead of appeasing to the vocal mob; they finished the story on their own terms.

Mass Effect became a tale about cultural synthesis. The Mass Effect team was finally able to find this series a voice. Knowing this, makes me content that I have finished this series in its entirety; in the way it was meant to be seen.

And I enjoyed every minute of it.




Industry Supporters of the Ending:

Forbes: http://www.forbes.co...ith-free-dlc/2/
BioShock Creator Ken Levine: http://www.digitalsp...ken-levine.html

Penny Arcades Ben Kuchera: http://www.penny-arc...the-series-mass

Kotaku: http://www.kotaku.co...ver-be-changed/

Colin Moriarty: http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

ThumbCulture: http://thumb-culture...n-mass-effects/

Destructoid: http://www.destructo...ew-223218.phtml

Daniel Starky: http://www.destructo...wn-223966.phtml

Shack News: http://www.shacknews...effect-3-review

Garnett Lee: http://www.shacknews...-gdc-remainders

Jeff Cannata: http://www.shacknews...-gdc-remainders

Game Informer: www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/21/hey-bioware-while-you-39-re-at-it.aspx



Continue to check back for more updates, news, checkmate, and more.

Dostoevsky re-wrote one of his finest books eight times before he was happy that the public would like his final draft.  Bioware lost sight of the fact that they were writing for an audience and in that moment any thought of artistic integrity was moot.
Sure, like any starving artist they can put down what they like on paper and call it gold but if the audience see it as monkey dung then that's exactly what it is and the only person that will hang it on the wall is the artist himself.

Have a guess at how many times one of the greatest works of fiction ever got a makeover before the author was satisfied with it?  I am of course talking about lord of the rings, did you know that Frodo died in Tolkien's original text but he changed it because the publisher asked him to.

Here is another for you.  Harry Potter should have died in the last book but JK Rowley changed the ending based on the pleas of her fans.

If you are creating a work of art for yourself then by all means knock yourself out and create anything you please, but if you are creating that art for an audience then the wishes of that audience must be considered.

[jla0644]

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

There's a difference between voicing your opinion and being a condescending tool.

But if he's not condescending, how is he supposed to make sure we know he's smarter than we are? The repeated use of the word "elevated", and "philosophical", and his favorite phrase, "Neanderthal-dopamine" just don't quite do the trick.  And we certainly can't tell by the fact that he doesn't know the difference between "addition" and "edition". Hence, we get the condescending tone.

[azerSheppard]

Ken Levine doesnt support the ending, he just thinks that further dlc would make it even worse...
Get your facts straight, he is a WRITER ffs, he can smell sh!t on paper from miles away.

Forbes doesnt support the ending.... AT ALL


All i see is people from reviewing websites or magazines that receive early copies of games for playing nice and not telling the truth.

You'd think just one of them would have said, "ending not as good as it should have been, promise about closure and plot not kept."

Modifié par azerSheppard, 06 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[Well]

Computron2000 wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

I would recommend you check the person's post history before defending said person.

They still have the right to post their opinion.To many Pro Enders try to prevent others from posting theirs.Either way it isn't their call.I get as tired seeing the same talking points but why become like them.Some are actually funny.They actually believe what they post.

[Denora]

You have read Retakes responses to my thoughts right? Cause there reaction fits your description perfectly.


Note: For the few of you that actually did respond with some intelligence. After dinner with some friends; I'll try to respond to your thoughts when i get back. luv!

Look, I respect your opinion, I honestly do and I'd love to have a real discussion on why I disagree with your thoughts on the artistic integrity argument. But when you post threads like you do, your naturally going to attract people who act the same way.

[Tony208]

Well wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

I would recommend you check the person's post history before defending said person.

They still have the right to post their opinion.To many Pro Enders try to prevent others from posting theirs.Either way it isn't their call.I get as tired seeing the same talking points but why become like them.Some are actually funny.They actually believe what they post.

90% of Mintycool's threads contain the same words, letter for letter. That's not posting an opinion anymore, that's spam.

[Well]

Tony208 wrote...

Well wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.

I would recommend you check the person's post history before defending said person.

They still have the right to post their opinion.To many Pro Enders try to prevent others from posting theirs.Either way it isn't their call.I get as tired seeing the same talking points but why become like them.Some are actually funny.They actually believe what they post.

90% of Mintycool's threads contain the same words, letter for letter. That's not posting an opinion anymore, that's spam.

Then report it as such.Just get the links from other post and add them to your report.That way you show that it is just spam.

[Big I]

MintyCool wrote...
Why must one need to see Tali's face? Why do we need to know a detailed history of the Protheans? How come we need to see the Rachni and Krogan attack the enemy? Isn't the struggle of loss and war already inferred multiple times throughout the story? The focus of the end game is obviously being developed on a much deeper/different theme.

...

Needing to know a detailed resolution of what happens to everyone in the galaxy only dilutes the escapist reality the writers created.

Some things are better left to the imagination. Less is more and allowing the mind to explore possibilities is one of the great strengths of human thought.

I disagree. People want answers to questions raised in stories they're invested in. Certain types of fiction, like mysteries, HAVE to answer their questions. If we never learnt who Keyser Soze is at the end of the Usual Suspects the story would not have been as satisfying. If we never learnt that Leia and Han got together at the end of Star Wars we're left unsatisfied.


Almost all fiction is about resolving conflict. If at the ultimate end of a story the audience feels the conflict is unresolved the person telling the story has failed. The only way to ensure that the audience accepts the resolution to the story conflict as satisfying is to provide them with enough details to explain the conclusion to themselves.

[Ozai75]

 I thought you got banned.  Unfortunately not.  And I also thought I put you on ignore.  Hmmm.  Troll thread Bioware.. of course, not like you'll do anything about it.

[Computron2000]

MintyCool wrote...

Note: For the few of you that actually did respond with some intelligence. After dinner with some friends; I'll try to respond to your thoughts when i get back. luv!

You actually proved me correct...

The above "Created about 1 hour ago, Modified 42 minutes ago "

http://social.biowar...dex/11058068/10
"Created 11 minutes ago, Modified 10 minutes ago "

A microwave dinner with people you know only through the internet is not "dinner with friends". I truly do feel somewhat sorry for you so i will just say thing. Go out with someone or even get a dog, it will help with your problem

[dkear1]

OP....have you even read all of the Forbes articles? If so you would not be counting them as part of the "pro-enders". The vast majority of the Forbes articles point out what a train wreck the ending is and also call for bioware to scrap and redo them if they really care about fans. All in all it is not that bioware "wins or loses". The fans are the ones who lose in this case as many will leave and not come back.

[FemmeShep]

Explain to me...how this is a "wind of change"...

If anything it's "Maintaining the status quo"...

OP, I respect your opinion. But I think you are beyond misguided with this one.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 06 avril 2012 - 02:17 .

[MintyCool]

Computron2000 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Note: For the few of you that actually did respond with some intelligence. After dinner with some friends; I'll try to respond to your thoughts when i get back. luv!

You actually proved me correct...

The above "Created about 1 hour ago, Modified 42 minutes ago "

http://social.biowar...dex/11058068/10
"Created 11 minutes ago, Modified 10 minutes ago "

A microwave dinner with people you know only through the internet is not "dinner with friends". I truly do feel somewhat sorry for you so i will just say thing. Go out with someone or even get a dog, it will help with your problem

Celtics are up on the Bulls, 24-22. Would you like a slice of pizza and join us?



Computron2000,

You have posted spam SIX times in this thread and counting... That's a lot of energy....and time....

I would like to ask your opinion and views of this topic but unfortunately; you blocked me from pming you.


So you spam my thread, decry outrage, and make it impossible for me to discuss your quarrel.

It's quite cowardice.


I don't report, so no worries. I would just like to hear your thoughts on this topic, and why my opinion seems to rile you up so much? Checkmate.


Side Note: When the game is over I'll get to your questions.

luv, Mintycool.

Modifié par MintyCool, 06 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[MintyCool]

[quote]MaltMilchek wrote...

Well written post Minty.

I guess the frustrating thing is that there are people on here that genuinely dislike the ending for legitimate reasons and then there are trolls who like to join the group mentality.[/quote]

It's tough sometimes; but I just try to ignore the ignorant. They may verbally attack me and continually report me for no reason, but I just try respond to people who bring interesting discussion to the table.

Thanks for the support.

[quote]jla0644 wrote...

But if he's not condescending, how is he supposed to make sure we know he's smarter than we are? The repeated use of the word "elevated", and "philosophical", and his favorite phrase, "Neanderthal-dopamine" just don't quite do the trick. And we certainly can't tell by the fact that he doesn't know the difference between "addition" and "edition". Hence, we get the condescending tone.
[/quote]

A page full of thoughts will sometimes have grammatical errors.

Read this Wired article, I think you may enjoy it: http://www.wired.com...ay_autocorrect/

[quote]Skyblade012 wrote...

Where was their artistic integrity when the original ending (dark energy) was leaked a year ago and they changed it because of that?[/quote]

I think you are confusing the crafting process a bit. I have no problem when someone decides to try multiple drafts when it comes to any medium of art. The Mass Effect team was finally able to find this series a voice.

Whether you like the ending or not does not disqualify the dev team the artistic freedom to end the game on their terms. Knowing this, makes me content that I have finished this series in its entirety; in the way it was meant to be seen.

[quote]Strategyking92 wrote...

Really, the Star Wars argument? Do you even know why people almost unanimously agree that Lucas raped the series with those prequels? [/quote]

Read my topic again when you have the chance mate. Star Wars has oversaturated its lore. It's become bloated.
Star Wars fans have become desperate to consume anything relating to this saga. Whether it is books, comics, cartoons, etc.

Digesting corn fructose constantly is quite unhealthy.

Doing this also makes you lose a bit of your individuality and personal opinion. You instantly become swayed by others thoughts.

When the original Mass Effect script leaked occurred would swarm like a pack of cockroaches to analyze it. When a screen shot or video was released you guys would rush to the forums depicting every last detail.

While all this was happening you continued to become swayed by what others were saying. You ended up learning everything about the man behind the curtain, did you feel better?

No, it only fueled your impulses for a more potent fix.

[quote]GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Yah yah, of course free DLC to clarify what happened still is not enough for the Retake Movement, BioWare is doing this just because of your outcry and it is still not enough, goes to show the greed of the movement, a blight on the gaming community really.[/quote]
I think the reason why Retake members have become so thin-skinned is because they know this announcement pretty much marks the end of their journey. They know they failed their mission.
[quote]Turkeysock wrote...

A product that is produced for mass production, is not a product that can use "Artistic Integrity" as a defense. If this was a indie gaming company, yes, they could use this as a reason for their games, but then again, an indie gaming company wouldn't disfranchise their customers like Bioware is doing right now.

This isn't a victory for artistic integrity or creative freedom. This is a victory for crappy story telling.
[/quote]

Artistic Integrity is such a polarizing word because of its ability to shade-in with a variety of descriptions. So people try to find clarity aligning the word with their personal projection of what they think it means.

A "victory for crappy storytelling" is purely your opinion and openly debatable.

[quote]Back Lot Basher wrote...

MintyCool, I'm not sure what all the animosity is about here, but I for one think your post is well written, insightful, and shows a keen sense of observation. You make a lot of very salient points about themes and the imagery used to convey them. I wouldn't worry too much about the comments from some of these folks; I get the sense that many of them are barely literate.

Anyway, thanks very much for posting that. I wish Bioware would provide a separate forum for people who enjoyed the ending, and would like to discuss its meaning without being shouted down by people whose only contribution is a lack of imagination.

Cheers![/quote]

It sounds like a solid idea but I think we're witnessing the last riots from Retake. Things should start winding down soon. Already the public is tired of this controversy and Retake is not doing themselves any favors by acting like a screaming unhinged mob.

Cheers to you!

[quote]mrderp27 wrote...

know what's awesome? mondo fruit drinks[/quote]
And Lemonade.

[quote]Sparse wrote...

Artistic vision exists in the artist's mind and the purpose of the piece of art they produce is to transfer that vision as coherently and accurately as possible into the minds of their audience.

If the piece of art fails to do that then the artist can change it, or throw it away and start over (and frequently they do) without compromising their integrity because the piece of art is merely a delivery system, it is not an integral part of any vision.

As any creative person will be able to come up with countless completely different ways to express precisely the same vision the whole idea that any change to a piece of art somehow compromises the artist's vision is totally wrong.

[/quote]

“But it would have made me a **** to leave it incomplete. It would have made it easier to leave future work incomplete. It would have made it more and more difficult to draw upon that additional aching surge of effort that is always the difference between integrity and deceit in a created work. I would not be the **** to my own existence. Can you understand that? I would not be the **** to my own existence.”

― Chaim Potok

[quote]Tovanus wrote...

Art can in fact be judged based on technical skill. It's true in painting. It's true in music. It's true in writing. Artistic integrity does not mean defending poor artistic skill. The writing is inconsistent, makes use of rightly mocked plot devices, breaks with genre and themes, and generally fails the audience.

To use a music analogy, it's a little bit like listening to a John Williams tune. Things are going great. Then you get to the last few measures of the music piece, and suddenly you hear "Hot Cross Buns" being played..... with a recorder..... by a kid in first grade..... who clearly didn't do his homework assignment to practice playing it.

If the composer insisted that every performance include that ending, despite the fact that his fans hated it and were urging him to change it, it would come across as artistic arrogance, not artistic integrity.

(Note, the actual ending music of Mass Effect sounds great to me, so I'm not criticizing the game's composer at all, I'm just making a musical analogy to story telling).[/quote]

Your analogy breaks down in a few places and your focus seems a bit off, so I'm just going to try to respond best I can.

Art is based in its own niche genre mostly. This is why a composition piece from Terence Blanchard and a song from Mika are considered both art. If art was solely judged on technical skill, by your definition, someone like Cataracts should be a complete failure. Successful artists create products that bring the crowd to them. The cycle works in only one direction, which creates a viral spread of fandom.

[quote]Tovanus wrote...

MintyCool does not understand art. Please do not explain it to him.

[/quote]
luv you.
[quote]Geomon19 wrote...

I'm actually glad some people out there got to enjoy their money's worth and hopefully will enjoy it even more with clarification.[/quote]
Summer should be interesting.
[quote]Exeider wrote...

Taking credit for something you has nothing to do with.....pathetic.

But even if you did have something to do with it i have this:

It must give you such satisfaction to be right. pay no mind that, it essentially prevents future forays into this universe. or that it basically means sequels or an MMO will never come into existence for the possible enjoyment of millions of other people. Or that other books, comic books, or other media may have been written that Non-gamers could of enjoyed for years afterward. Potentially bringing the series beyond being "just a game" and be the series of our generation, this generation's Star Wars or Star Trek, and not to mention the potential millions upon millions the owners of this franchise could of made int he process.

No, none of that matters, just so long that your right.

Congratulations.....you just screwed us all. Thanks....
I hope it feels good.

[/quote]
Your Romanization with Mass Effect clearly harkens back to my paragraph about corn fructose. Your level of focal ignorance is equitable American Christianity. A paragraph of logic will not change your mind after a lifetime of indoctrination. This unhealthy level of praise is.... fascinating?
But, yes, I murdered Mass Effect. Whatever helps your sleep....

[quote]YohkoOhno wrote...

People have a right to their opinions.

The big problem right now with the Retake movement is that they are crossing the line from just being disappointed to attacking anybody who doesn't agree with them. That's wrong. Stop calling people trolls just because they like the ending or agree with Bioware. Shouting down those who disagree with you is not going to work and going to make you look bad.[/quote]
Agreed mate.
[quote]Silvren555 wrote...

Ea and BioWare can enjoy their artistic integrity all they like, but they will not again enjoy the contents of my wallet.[/quote]

That is up to you, but something tells me you'll be in line for the next AAA Bioware Title.

(Hint: your registered games)

You're a guaranteed asset. Live with that.

[quote]stuka1000 wrote...
Dostoevsky re-wrote one of his finest books eight times before he was happy that the public would like his final draft. Bioware lost sight of the fact that they were writing for an audience and in that moment any thought of artistic integrity was moot.

If you are creating a work of art for yourself then by all means knock yourself out and create anything you please, but if you are creating that art for an audience then the wishes of that audience must be considered.[/quote]

George R. R. Martin, author of the series A Song of Ice and Fire breaks your statements into a million little pieces.
Martin does not write for the audience, the audience flocks to his writing. Short and simple.

[quote]LookingGlass93 wrote...
I disagree. People want answers to questions raised in stories they're invested in. Certain types of fiction, like mysteries, HAVE to answer their questions. If we never learnt who Keyser Soze is at the end of the Usual Suspects the story would not have been as satisfying. If we never learnt that Leia and Han got together at the end of Star Wars we're left unsatisfied.

Almost all fiction is about resolving conflict. If at the ultimate end of a story the audience feels the conflict is unresolved the person telling the story has failed. The only way to ensure that the audience accepts the resolution to the story conflict as satisfying is to provide them with enough details to explain the conclusion to themselves.

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There is obviously a difference between the progression of the plot and the pillaging of lore. I think you misinterpreted my earlier statements. Give 'em another read, if you're still confused, I'll elaborate.

[quote]Ozai75 wrote...

I thought you got banned. [/quote]

You're not the first Retaker to wish this, Checkmate.

Modifié par MintyCool, 06 avril 2012 - 05:38 .