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[Maferath]

The genocide ending felt like the least "worst" choice for my paragon, he who had supported the geth all along the trilogy.

And people ask me why I'm pissed about the ending.

Modifié par Maferath, 05 avril 2012 - 10:55 .

[78stonewobble]

Obviously the relay explosions didn't kill everyone eventhough they're as powerfull as supernovas.

Why?

Well seeing the galaxy from outside the explosions radiate out over hundreds or thousands of lightyears in miliseconds. So the explosions are FTL and thus doesn't interact with normal matter.

*cough* ... My explanation for it.



Anyhow. You could call the red ending a genocide of the reapers but on the other hand they could just have left everyone alone right and not ended up in that situation. Might as well call it reaper suicide by Shepard (instead of train or cop).

Maferath wrote...

The genocide ending felt like the least "worst" choice for my paragon, he who had supported the geth all along the trilogy.

And people ask me why I'm pissed about the ending.

Right there with you...

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 05 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[Thrombin]

The whole point of Paragon is that the end doesn't justify the means. You always try to find a solution with the minimum innocent casualties. That's blue. No question,

[admcmei]

Thrombin wrote...

The whole point of Paragon is that the end doesn't justify the means. You always try to find a solution with the minimum innocent casualties. That's blue. No question,

Sadly true. They all suck, but without the choice to do anthing else, that's it. The paragon would never genocide the Geth after all he/she has learned in these last two games. 

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

Control, I guess. You sacrifice yourself and supposedly end up with the greatest gain for everyone in the end. You don't forcibly rewrite the genetic structure of everything living thing in the galaxy and don't have to sacrifice any species. It's rather ambiguous, but it's the best ending for the short term at least. It doesn't really stop the possibility of future Reapings, though.

[AlexMBrennan]

So, not wanting to die is Paragon now? OK...

You always try to find a solution with the minimum innocent casualties. That's blue. No question,

Green has no more casualties than blue. Further, Green is arguably better because you don't mindrape the Reapers. If it wasn't for the contrived link to geth genocide then Blue and Red would be equally bad.

However, this discussion is academic. Paragons use violence as a last resort *but* that means that they will use violence with necessary. The crucial question is if paragonShep thinks that a non-violent solution is possible, i.e. if Shepard believes Guardian. If he does, then Shep would pick Green (preferable to Blue because it doesn't require mindraping a sentient species), else Red.

As the number of followers of the "Indoctrination Theory [sic]" show, there's plenty of reason for Shepard to doubt their sanity at the end, and I can't see Shepard trusting a Reaper about their ability to control the Reapers moments after shooting TIM

Edit to add:

The paragon would never genocide the Geth after all he/she has learned in these last two games.

Paragon does not mean "clinically stupid". If killing the geth is the only option, paragonShep will take it. Question is, does Shepard think that Red is the only option? Does Shepard trust a Reaper telling him that he can control the Reapers moments after shooting TIM, who had been told by the Reapers that he'd be able to control the Reapers?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 05 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[AlanC9]

Maferath wrote...

The genocide ending felt like the least "worst" choice for my paragon, he who had supported the geth all along the trilogy.

How'd your thinking work there? What was wrong with blue? (Just curious, not trying to start an argument). Or if you follow Alex's logic, there's green.

I agree that Synthesis isn't a very paragon-y choice; way too arrogant. But arguably better than blue if you give a damn about what happens to the Reapers.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
Paragon does not mean "clinically stupid". If killing the geth is the only option, paragonShep will take it. Question is, does Shepard think that Red is the only option? Does Shepard trust a Reaper telling him that he can control the Reapers moments after shooting TIM, who had been told by the Reapers that he'd be able to control the Reapers?

Yeah, but if those statements aren't true then all bets are off anyway -- Shepard might as well roll a die.

[AlexMBrennan]

You're overriding the free will of a sentient species, which is exactly paragon...

[Ashilana]

Ctrl-Alt-Del while shep is bleeding out.   You die a hero and never get forced to become the villain.

[Maferath]

AlanC9 wrote...

Maferath wrote...

The genocide ending felt like the least "worst" choice for my paragon, he who had supported the geth all along the trilogy.

How'd your thinking work there? What was wrong with blue? (Just curious, not trying to start an argument). Or if you follow Alex's logic, there's green.

I agree that Synthesis isn't a very paragon-y choice; way too arrogant. But arguably better than blue if you give a damn about what happens to the Reapers.

Well, basically what the post above yours said. Trusting you can control Starchild makes no sense to me. Also Shepard's paragon speech to TIM explains it better than I could.

[o Ventus]

The one that everyone and their mom was trying to tell Shepard over the course of the game -- destroy.

[Dormin]

SavageNoble wrote...

Red = Genocide, Green = Eugenics, Blue = Mind Control. Methinks they're all morally wrong.

Having said that, I chose destroy. Better to kill them than take away their free will or violate the body of every living being in the galaxy.

This! Free will, sacrifice and choice are key themes. RED is the only choice.

[SSHSpartan]

RED!!!! What was Shepards goal from the first game all the way until the end STOP THE REAPERS!!!! If the Geth and Edi have to be sacrificed so be it, but Blue makes no sense to me oh hey I'm in control now you can all go back to dark space to probably come back in a couple thousand years.

Don't even get me started on Green, it be like in Star Trek if the Federation just say hey whatever the Borg apparently know more then we do, we might as well become one with the collective. That would have made a great Star Trek series...

They are all horrible choice no matter what its more or less pick your poison you have a choice: Blue: Cyanide, Green: Thallium , Red: Atropine

Modifié par SSHSpartan, 05 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[Crazyjeffy]

I'm 100% Paragon and I chose red. Green dooms everyone and blue gives you ultimate power, which is bad. Red is the most practical (as far as practicality goes in a situation like that)

[SalsaDMA]

Genocide (red), Eugenics (green) or Slavery (blue)? Pick your poison!

It's basicly plague, pox or cholera you are choosing between.

There is no inherently paragon choice between the ones given.

[Overule]

Purple. It's the imaginary end color explosion that turns reapers into candy and mass effect relays into gold.

It fits about as well as any existing color.

[Icinix]

Paragon Shep ending would have been the one where the sales person interrupted you, took back the copy and told you its for the best.

[HairyMadDog1010]

A Shepard no matter what morality should not trust the Reaper king. Destroy.

[Han Shot First]

KyuzoS7 wrote...

for paragon shepard? red for renegade shepard? red for any type of shepard? red....

you came all this way for 1 thing and that is red.

This.

Blue and Green are just different color variations of a fail ending. In both blue and green, the Reapers survive. The Green ending is quite possibly the worst. Were the Asari or Turians or Krogan your favorite race? All gone now - everyone is a cyborg.

[JBONE27]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

They're not paragon or renegade. They're all stupid.

This

[CELL55]

Blue: You place your trust in the Deus ex Machina that you will not only be able to control the Reapers, but to do so for any meaningful length of time.
Green: You merge organics and synthetics, removing the Reaper's reason for being there. What happens if a new, unaltered race evolves, and the Reapers return, destroying all who stand in their way? What happens if the current races make a new race of synthetics, and the Reapers decide to fix their mistake by killing everyone?
Destroy: Geth die. EDI may not in fact die, as some players who brought her along for the Earth assault have reported seeing her emerge from the Normandy at the end. Though this may be a glitch.
Conclusion: There is no Paragon option. There is no good option. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only failure.