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[CELL55]

It seems then that everyone here has reached some level of basic agreement: it's about choosing the LEAST worse choice rather than the 'best' choice.

[Alex_SM]

Destroy is the only one that makes a little sense for any kind of shepard.

[KyuzoS7]

Kris69 wrote...

So, all in all...paragon Shepard HAS to die if we want him to be a paragon to the end? It sucks...

he doesn't die ffs if you have enough EMS he lives the video name of that scene in the files is called.

end03_shepard_alive_male(and theres a female one)

hopefully i don't get in trouble.

[Kris69]

KyuzoS7 wrote...

Kris69 wrote...

So, all in all...paragon Shepard HAS to die if we want him to be a paragon to the end? It sucks...

he doesn't die ffs if you have enough EMS he lives the video name of that scene in the files is called.

end03_shepard_alive_male(and theres a female one)

hopefully i don't get in trouble.

He lives, but only if you chose red ending...and red is not very paragon.

[KyuzoS7]

Kris69 wrote...

KyuzoS7 wrote...

Kris69 wrote...

So, all in all...paragon Shepard HAS to die if we want him to be a paragon to the end? It sucks...

he doesn't die ffs if you have enough EMS he lives the video name of that scene in the files is called.

end03_shepard_alive_male(and theres a female one)

hopefully i don't get in trouble.

He lives, but only if you chose red ending...and red is not very paragon.

but it proves that the AI was lying because it said shepard would die too.

believing anything this reaper AI says is total bull anyway you can tell by the tone of it's voice when it talks about red option

Modifié par KyuzoS7, 06 avril 2012 - 01:03 .

[Mutineer81]

My choices...

My main play through (ME1-ME2 upload), paragon, male: destroyed the Reapers.

My other paragon (ME Genesis-ME2), female: synthesis.

My renegade (ME Genesis-ME2), male: controlled the Reapers.

I just wanted to see all three endings, but I soon learned it didn't matter.

[Nerevar-as]

Alex_SM wrote...

Destroy is the only one that makes a little sense for any kind of shepard.

I have to agree with this. Destroy is the lesser evil. And we know Shepard can survive through metagaming, Starbrat says s/he would die being partly synthetic.

Control doesn´t imply you can fly the Reapers into the sun or a black hle, and those things are too durable to trust we´ll be able to hack them (literally) forever.

Synthesis forces the whole galaxy to change, turns all life into the same kind of being (so all will have same vulnerabilities), means nothing to the Singularity as any new AI will be just synthetic and thus different from its creators, and the execution is space magic whatever BW claims.

[KyuzoS7]

Mutineer81 wrote...

My choices...

My main play through (ME1-ME2 upload), paragon, male: destroyed the Reapers.

My other paragon (ME Genesis-ME2), female: synthesis.

My renegade (ME Genesis-ME2), male: controlled the Reapers.

I just wanted to see all three endings, but I soon learned it didn't matter.

of course it doesn't but knowing atleast 1 is better than the other 2 counts for something.

the AI trys to get shepard to choose the green choice the most and away from the red choice by adding a few white lies and he already knows shepard would fail the control choice hes basically half dead already no way he could over come them.

[Nerevar-as]

Kris69 wrote...

KyuzoS7 wrote...

Kris69 wrote...

So, all in all...paragon Shepard HAS to die if we want him to be a paragon to the end? It sucks...

he doesn't die ffs if you have enough EMS he lives the video name of that scene in the files is called.

end03_shepard_alive_male(and theres a female one)

hopefully i don't get in trouble.

He lives, but only if you chose red ending...and red is not very paragon.

Anderson is mostly paragon and is used for the destroy ending. TIM is used for control which I think was blue.

In a way the three options are renegade. Control can imply you´ll use the Reapers to bully the galaxy, Synthesis forces all life into a same template without giving them any option and leaves Reapers around, Destroy means genociding Geth and any AIs in the unexplored galaxy.

[Corbinus]

Kris69 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

blue

But I've just said to TIM that we're not ready for such power and that control is not an option...and now they want me to control them myself?

1) Other options are WORSE - geth genocide or massive change of DNA? Mind control of mass murders, I am sorry, but I refuse to see it as unethical
2) TIM has evil goals. Paragon Shepard have noble ones. Reapers are tools that can be used as you want.
3)Besides, if you really don't want Reapers to stick around and help just go to Dark Space

Destroy IS NOT a Paragon option.
Since when Paragons do genocide?

Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[The Razman]

No ending is best for any singular alignment. They're all meant to be morally and ethically ambiguous.

[Corbinus]

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Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 01:18 .

[Ericus]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Destroy is the only one that makes a little sense for any kind of shepard.

I have to agree with this. Destroy is the lesser evil. And we know Shepard can survive through metagaming, Starbrat says s/he would die being partly synthetic.

Control doesn´t imply you can fly the Reapers into the sun or a black hle, and those things are too durable to trust we´ll be able to hack them (literally) forever.

Synthesis forces the whole galaxy to change, turns all life into the same kind of being (so all will have same vulnerabilities), means nothing to the Singularity as any new AI will be just synthetic and thus different from its creators, and the execution is space magic whatever BW claims.

Completely agree with this.  I played through the entire series as a Paragon, and picked the Red/Destroy ending.  To my mind, the Green/Synthesis ending is the most unethical, because you change every sentient being in the galaxy at a fundamental level without their consent.  Control intially sounds like a good option because everyone (except you) gets to live, but it's unrealistic to assume that the Reapers can be held at bay forever.  Control is only delaying their inevitable return.  But with Destory, as Shepard says during the confrontation with TIM, if we destroy the Reapers, then this ends today.  Forever.  The destruction of the Geth and EDI is horrible, but it is the only way to create a galaxy without fear, and that can start to create its own future.

[Tirigon]

Not picking any Renegade choices, thus being shot by the illusive man.

Sad, but the only logical ending.

[red800222]

Blue= Control, you get the power you've always wanted bein able to choose what you want to do with the rest of the life in the galaxy killing who you want one your whim (This is the most like renagade)

Green= Merge synthetics and organics making the apex of evolution however, you are also doing so without thinking about what the rest of the galaxy would say (Considered the real ending)

Red= Destroy the reapers I tried all of them and this one felt the most satisfying the people that said this ending was genocide is wrong because if you were dumb and rushed through the ending you would have Earth die but if you were smart had at least 3000 ems (which you should have had) then this ending would be fine because the reapers are actually dead in this ending unlike the other two so they still pose a threat in the other two endings and Shepard can actually live so if they make the ending DLC you can probably see Shepard getting picked up and being hailed as a war hero on Earth But on a side note* if you killed the quarians and chose the geth then this is not for you because the geth will die

[Corbinus]

Ericus wrote...
 Control intially sounds like a good option because everyone (except you) gets to live, but it's unrealistic to assume that the Reapers can be held at bay forever.  Control is only delaying their inevitable return.  \\

Oh? We spared Rachni. We cured Krogan. We saved Geth. They all can start a war.
Unreaslistic? Hate to break it to you man, that's a sci fi videogame, not reality. We have no reasons to assume that  "their return is inevitable"

Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[Alex_SM]

red800222 wrote...

Green= Merge synthetics and organics making the apex of evolution however, you are also doing so without thinking about what the rest of the galaxy would say (Considered the real ending)

And that's something that makes me mad. There are too many signs out there pointing that BW considered the synthesis ending as the "best one" and somehow the "canon ending". And that's HORRIBLE.

So the best ending is the total destruction of everyone's free will and natural evolution? It's quite disturbing. More or less like making brainwash a "paragon" option. Totally rotten. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 06 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[Hyrist]

Which ending is best for paragon Shepard?

The one where you shut off the game, realize just how mistaken you were to ever have invested such time into a series that ultimately didn't care about your choices, and walk out into the wide, real world to write your own story much better than BioWare seems to want to.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Red.

[Nerevar-as]

Corbinus wrote...

Ericus wrote...
 Control intially sounds like a good option because everyone (except you) gets to live, but it's unrealistic to assume that the Reapers can be held at bay forever.  Control is only delaying their inevitable return. 

Oh? We spared Rachni. We cured Krogan. We saved Geth. They all can start a war.
Unreaslistic? Hate to break it to you man, that's a sci fi videogame, not reality. We have no reasons to assume that  "their return is inevitable"

None of those have been tens of millions of years genociding species without anyone being able to stop them. That´s what the Reapers were created for. That´s the only thing they do.

[digby69]

best would be to head but the space kid,

or better still put him over Shep's knee and give him a jolly good thrashing for not doing his hoework and messing up the galaxy, not to mention the 100's of hours of game play that fans have invested in.

[TheNevincer]

None of the endings work for a paragon shepard. That's why it's so bad.

[TheGreenAlloy]

TheNevincer wrote...

None of the endings work for a paragon shepard. That's why it's so bad.

It's good for Renegade Shep, though. You get to choose 3 different colours to **** up the galaxy in!

[BigEvil]

Corbinus wrote...
Since when Paragons do genocide?

When they play Arrival.

My mostly Paragon Shepard took Destroy (I say took, because it didn't seem like much of a choice). Regardless of being Paragon or Renegade the primary motivation for Shepard is to destroy the Reapers, to eliminate them as a threat. Destroy is the only option which allows that, even if there is a horrendous price to pay for it.

Not that I've been able to bring myself to put any of my other Shepards into ME3, but assuming I did, they would reach the same conclusion.

[Alex_SM]

The only think that makes sense is to tell the starchild to STFU and destroy it.