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[TheGreenAlloy]

BigEvil wrote...

Corbinus wrote...
Since when Paragons do genocide?

When they play Arrival.

My mostly Paragon Shepard took Destroy (I say took, because it didn't seem like much of a choice). Regardless of being Paragon or Renegade the primary motivation for Shepard is to destroy the Reapers, to eliminate them as a threat. Destroy is the only option which allows that, even if there is a horrendous price to pay for it.

Not that I've been able to bring myself to put any of my other Shepards into ME3, but assuming I did, they would reach the same conclusion.

I always choose Destroy. The other choices make no sense.

[Corbinus]

BigEvil wrote...

Corbinus wrote...
Since when Paragons do genocide?

When they play Arrival.

Doesn't count. There was no choice offered (even your warning gets cut), and no real alternative.
Motivation? Yes, yes, I heard this before. But... You must stop Reapers, yes, but destroying them is merely one way.
With Control it is possible not only to stop Reapers, but to make useful, to bring help to devastated Galaxy.
Destroy just stops them and kills another race.

Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[BigEvil]

Corbinus wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

Corbinus wrote...
Since when Paragons do genocide?

When they play Arrival.

Doesn't count. There was no choice offered (even your warning gets cut), and no real alternative.

There was no real choice given in the ME3 ending and no alternative. You say it doesn't count, well, good for you. It's nice to see some people can disregard what is or isn't genocide when it suits their argument.

EDIT: And addressing your additional points. You've heard it all before, great counter there. As for control, we don't know that. In the control ending, Shepard dies. We have no knowledge of what control truly entails (unless this is something which is expanded on in the Extended Cut DLC, but until then it's a moot point).

Modifié par BigEvil, 06 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[Corbinus]

BigEvil wrote...



There was no real choice given in the ME3 ending and no alternative

Prove it. I see 3 choices.
1) Destroy
1) Control
3) Synthesis.
Prove me that they are not real. Go on!

[BigEvil]

Corbinus wrote...

BigEvil wrote...
There was no real choice given in the ME3 ending and no alternative

Prove it. I see 3 choices.
1) Destroy
1) Control
3) Synthesis.
Prove me that they are not real. Go on!

You couldn't even be bothered to address any of the points I raised, why should I bother. Clearly you've made up your mind and don't actually want to discuss things. You're a waste of my time.

[fchopin]

Destroy is the only ending as far as i am concerned. No way i would pick any other ending.

[ArMedSuRViVoR]

 The Reapers want you to think Blue is good and Red is bad. If you choose blue you kind of... lose the game. So either green or red (I chose red for extra Shepard scene!)

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Not really... while it may seem that way initially, the Blue ending IS the most compassionate ending.. You don't force anything on anyone and don't wipe out an entire race of synthetics to stop the Reapers. Blue is the Paragon ending.

Red IS the most ruthless ending. Shepard is willing to send the Geth (and EDI) to their deaths in order to stop the Reapers. They don't settle and don't compromise... the Reapers must die.

[Delta_S]

Power.  Simply turn the console/PC off and headcanon the rest.

[Visserian99]

My Paragon Shepard is the paragoniest paragon who ever paragoned and I hobbled him over to destroy without a second thought. It was the only option I could accept that even remotely aligned with his beliefs. The other 2 seemed too evil or too open to abuse.

[Thrombin]

Visserian99 wrote...

My Paragon Shepard is the paragoniest paragon who ever paragoned and I hobbled him over to destroy without a second thought. It was the only option I could accept that even remotely aligned with his beliefs. The other 2 seemed too evil or too open to abuse.

You see, I don't get this. A paragon isn't going to abuse that power by definition of being a paragon. He just has to think of a command for the Reapers (eg. Go away and never come back) and that's it. The galaxy never has to fear the Reapers again and nobody else has to die. Or, if his consciousness does survive the process (which i only assume after reading the Prima guide - my Shepard assumed he was going to die) he can hang around and protect the Galaxy from any upstart races intent on more organic genocide.

I cannot comprehend how killing your enemies and your friends and allies is somehow morally better than forcing your enemies to leave everyone alone and go home.

Now, you can argue that it won't be effective but you're only choosing any of these choices because you believe the Catalyst and the Catalyst says it will be effective. Infect, it's the red ending which the Catalyst says could ultimately lead to the death of all organics. If you don't believe the catalyst, why are you taking his word for it and blowing yourself up? I can just imagine if the catalyst was just tricking Shepard into destroying the crucible  instead of the Reapers!

Modifié par Thrombin, 06 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[Shinobu]

Refuse to choose.

[Darkin30]

For my Paragon Shepard there was only one option,

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

[red800222]

Destroy is the only logical ending because you finish the mission and when did people start to get this genocide train of thought you don't kill anything besides the reapers and the meaning of genocide: the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group i dont think giant cyborg space ship are part of a national racial political or cultural group

[red800222]

Also with destroy ending Shepard can tell everyone what the calalyst said since he actually survives

[survivor_686]

There is such "best ending"?

[Swordfishtrombone]

I'd say red is the right one for both paragon and renegade, because Sheppard has little reason to trust anything that the spaceboy says, and at least the red ending involves shooting at something, rather than plunging yourself into some device that may or may not do what the spacekid claims. They might as well be weird looking trash compactors.

But really, anything but the green ending. Why? Because space magic that turns everybody into cyborgs is an offense to anyone who thought that this was a scifi, not a fantasy series.

[Brettic]

Red always seemed like the paragon one to me, Green was control wasn't it? That one's the renegade one IMO, and blue seems like the noncommital shep.

I think I got the colors right.

[steev02]

The game lacks narrative coherence.
It's impossible to pick a paragon or renegade option.
Yet that's what the game has been about since that mission on Eden Prime, your choices and their impact.

[Ieldra]

Darkin30 wrote...
For my Paragon Shepard there was only one option,

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

And you think THAT attitude is Paragon? The amount of self-deception on these forums is starting to get ridiculous. Are you really so blind as not to notice that this is a Renegade attitude?

[Chewin]

Kris69 wrote...

For renegate Shep it's quite simple - red. (...)

Please don't say you think so b/c of the color option.

[LogicGunn]

My paragon FemShep went the destroy route. Why? Cause she and I have spent 5 years trying to kill the Reapers and we'll be damned if some little faux-boi-AI is going to get between us and our goal.

But I WAS tempted by the synthesis ending...

[dheer]

Which ending is best for paragon Shepard?

After your conversation with TIM and Anderson, shut off the game.

Imagine what your Shepard would do and it's a much better end than the one he/she got in game.

[Ryzaki]

As someone already said they're all bad and stupid.

My paragon picked destroy though. For the same reason he chose destroy the heretics. At least they died as themselves.

Of course he doesn't believe a word coming out of that snake goddler's mouth so meh.

[xPandaHunterx]

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