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[Ieldra]

LogicGunn wrote...
My paragon FemShep went the destroy route. Why? Cause she and I have spent 5 years trying to kill the Reapers and we'll be damned if some little faux-boi-AI is going to get between us and our goal.

That's very much OK for your Shepard if that was the goal all along. Just admit that your Paragon Shepard made a Renegade decision in the end because she thought it was best. It isn't the end of the world, you know. None of my own Shepards was totally one-sided in their decisions.

It wasn't my Shepard's goal though. I always wanted to preserve something of the Reapers' knowledge and technology if it was at all possible without losing the war.....

But I WAS tempted by the synthesis ending...

....which is why I chose Synthesis for my main Shepard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 avril 2012 - 10:27 .

[MrnDpty161]

As much as I can't stand the choices -

I picked Destroy as my first play through, after all, that is what he started this quest for anyway, to destroy the Reapers.

Plus as bad as it sounds, it was for the preservation of Humanity... not Turian, not Salarian, not Asari. --- but to keep the Earth and humans from being processed. So--- there it is, mission complete with a heap of dead Geth, a non-working EDI, no FTL hyperspace, 0 synthetics, but what was pretty much the end of a mission: Save Earth.

None of these choices are really paragon, their all Renegade in many ways.

[MrnDpty161]

As far as the Green choice ---

I disagree. What your doing is playing god and transforming everyone's DNA ( magically) into what basically can be seen as Reaper Possession in a massive Galactic scale. You are basically choosing to re-create all life without their consent. Its basically intergalactic slavery if you think of it, doing the job the reapers pretty much have done for millions of years.

Its also contrary to the overall Mission ---  Preserve Human Life.  What this does is re-write human life and now your like the Geth in many ways, if not " Terminators" of some kind.

Modifié par MrnDpty161, 08 avril 2012 - 10:31 .

[ZombifiedJake]

I don't really know since none of them are any good, but I can tell you that synthesis is the worst ending.

[slyborg]

I choose red, always.

Blue-I am supposed to trust the thing that created the Reapers, with no guarantee that I can actually control the Reapers and stop the conflict.

Green-Does nothing to prevent the organic/synthetic hybrids from warring against each other (which still does nothing to solve the "chaos" it just ends diversity in the galaxy). Organics versus organics is a pretty big theme in the series with the the rachni wars, krogan rebellions, skyllian blitz, first contact war, etc.

[Pythonicus]

My Shepard went there to destroy the Reapers. Any other option is a failure.

RED

[Ieldra]

MrnDpty161 wrote...
As far as the Green choice ---

I disagree. What your doing is playing god and transforming everyone's DNA ( magically) into what basically can be seen as Reaper Possession in a massive Galactic scale.
You are basically choosing to re-create all life without their consent. Its basically intergalactic slavery if you think of it, doing the job the reapers pretty much have done for millions of years.

Its also contrary to the overall Mission ---  Preserve Human Life.  What this does is re-write human life and now your like the Geth in many ways, if not " Terminators" of some kind.

There is no indication at all that the Synthesis is even remotely similar to Reaperization. That's a baseless assumption. The Catalyst says it's a step forward in evolution. A reasonable interpretation is that every side, organic and synthetic, gets desirable traits from the other. Everything - the description, the symbolism, even the fact that you see EDI and Joker very much as themselves, points to the Synthesis having desirable results.

As for deciding without consent - what right do you have to expose all organics to the risk of eventual extinction at the hands of synthetics if you choose Destroy? What right do you have to decide that organics need a synthetic guardian if you choose Control? The ethical problems are similar for all endings. I can see nothing bad in hybridization as such. In the end, being organic or being synthetic is nothing special. Being life is something special, and the narrative makes the point again and again that synthetics are life. 

And I am most emphatically supporting the idea of stealing fire from the gods. I am not "playing god", I am trying to act as a responsible god, because fate puts me at a fulcrum of events where I have such reponsibility, without the option to walk away from it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 avril 2012 - 10:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh for pete's sake.

No one goes extinct in Destroy except for the Geth and EDI.

FTL travel is 12light years per hour. That's enough for all races to get back home. It'll take a goddamn while. And they'll need to rebuild stations while they're at it but it certainly doesn't doom them to extinction.

According to BW anyway.

[YeKnight94]

Red is the only ending possible to live through so choose wisely...

[Chewin]

YeKnight94 wrote...

Red is the only ending possible to live through so choose wisely...

Which you can only possibly know through meta gaming.

[Aeowyn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Darkin30 wrote...
For my Paragon Shepard there was only one option,

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

And you think THAT attitude is Paragon? The amount of self-deception on these forums is starting to get ridiculous. Are you really so blind as not to notice that this is a Renegade attitude?

I don't think we can apply paragon and renegade to any of the endings, but if we could, why would destroy be the renegade ending?

Keep the Collector Base and low EMS score = automatic Control ending
Destroy the Collector Base and low EMS score = automatic Destroy ending

How many of these people playing uber paragon kept the Collector base?

[Frolk]

Either blue or green seems like a paragon choice for me.

Blue: Controlling the giant cyborg cuttlefish so that they leave everyone alone seems like a pretty good solution. While some might say it's immoral to strip the Reapers of their autonomy, it seems justifiable given the circumstances. To me, it's no worse than rewriting the heretics in Mass Effect 2.

Green: I've seen people throw the word "eugenics" around, and I don't think that's quite fair. Yes, you're changing all life in the galaxy into cyborgs, but it seems like individuals retain their autonomy and supposedly this option prevents the "inevitable" war between synthetics and organics. Besides, transhumanism is cool.

[MrnDpty161]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MrnDpty161 wrote...
As far as the Green choice ---

I disagree. What your doing is playing god and transforming everyone's DNA ( magically) into what basically can be seen as Reaper Possession in a massive Galactic scale.
You are basically choosing to re-create all life without their consent. Its basically intergalactic slavery if you think of it, doing the job the reapers pretty much have done for millions of years.

Its also contrary to the overall Mission ---  Preserve Human Life.  What this does is re-write human life and now your like the Geth in many ways, if not " Terminators" of some kind.

There is no indication at all that the Synthesis is even remotely similar to Reaperization. That's a baseless assumption. The Catalyst says it's a step forward in evolution. A reasonable interpretation is that every side, organic and synthetic, gets desirable traits from the other. Everything - the description, the symbolism, even the fact that you see EDI and Joker very much as themselves, points to the Synthesis having desirable results.

As for deciding without consent - what right do you have to expose all organics to the risk of eventual extinction at the hands of synthetics if you choose Destroy? What right do you have to decide that organics need a synthetic guardian if you choose Control? The ethical problems are similar for all endings. I can see nothing bad in hybridization as such. In the end, being organic or being synthetic is nothing special. Being life is something special, and the narrative makes the point again and again that synthetics are life. 

And I am most emphatically supporting the idea of stealing fire from the gods. I am not "playing god", I am trying to act as a responsible god, because fate puts me at a fulcrum of events where I have such reponsibility, without the option to walk away from it.

What ever floats your boat  llusive Man   

[metawanderer]

I choose Green for my paragon Shep. I could not see destorying the Geth or controlling the reapers since he just argued earlier with the Illusive Man about it. I started a similar thread like this a month ago and I got so many conflicted opinions. I have come to the conclusion that the endings were not meant to be for only paragon & renegade. Every ending is jutisfiable depending upon your alignment, it's up to you to determine which ending is the lesser evil.

[Khayness]

Suicide by Marauder Shields.

[Ieldra]

MrnDpty161 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MrnDpty161 wrote...
As far as the Green choice ---

I disagree. What your doing is playing god and transforming everyone's DNA ( magically) into what basically can be seen as Reaper Possession in a massive Galactic scale.
You are basically choosing to re-create all life without their consent. Its basically intergalactic slavery if you think of it, doing the job the reapers pretty much have done for millions of years.

Its also contrary to the overall Mission ---  Preserve Human Life.  What this does is re-write human life and now your like the Geth in many ways, if not " Terminators" of some kind.

There is no indication at all that the Synthesis is even remotely similar to Reaperization. That's a baseless assumption. The Catalyst says it's a step forward in evolution. A reasonable interpretation is that every side, organic and synthetic, gets desirable traits from the other. Everything - the description, the symbolism, even the fact that you see EDI and Joker very much as themselves, points to the Synthesis having desirable results.

As for deciding without consent - what right do you have to expose all organics to the risk of eventual extinction at the hands of synthetics if you choose Destroy? What right do you have to decide that organics need a synthetic guardian if you choose Control? The ethical problems are similar for all endings. I can see nothing bad in hybridization as such. In the end, being organic or being synthetic is nothing special. Being life is something special, and the narrative makes the point again and again that synthetics are life. 

And I am most emphatically supporting the idea of stealing fire from the gods. I am not "playing god", I am trying to act as a responsible god, because fate puts me at a fulcrum of events where I have such reponsibility, without the option to walk away from it.

What ever floats your boat  llusive Man   

Well, TIM's methods might be evil, but he's right in one thing: we shouldn't let ourselves be limited by stupid preconceptions like "humans aren't meant to have such power". That's cultural conditioning by ideologies who want to monopolize power in the hands of few, in order to reconcile people to the fact that they have no power.
Being powerless is not a virtue, and pushing the envelope in science and technology is not evil. How you got about it, that makes the difference. That TIM isn't a shining example in his methods doesn't reflect badly on the idea as such.

[Anaki86]

There is no definitive choice for a paragon Shepard or a renegade Shepard. Each choice could be justified for either alignment based on the individual player's preference.

[ramnozack]

Letting Marauder Shields kill you and then quitting the game right then and there.

[Harorrd]

Renegade = Blue- Unlimited power, and the power to destroy all aliens in the galaxy leaving it for the humans to exploit

Paragon = Red- Destroy the reapers, peace amongst all alien races

Paragon = Green-Everyone is the same, no racism

[EHondaMashButton]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There is no indication at all that the Synthesis is even remotely similar to Reaperization. That's a baseless assumption. The Catalyst says it's a step forward in evolution. A reasonable interpretation is that every side, organic and synthetic, gets desirable traits from the other. Everything - the description, the symbolism, even the fact that you see EDI and Joker very much as themselves, points to the Synthesis having desirable results.

Starchild: My solution is have reapers preserve organics as organic-synthetic beings (more reapers) to prevent you from creating synthetics that would rebel against their creators and destroy all organics. 
Shepard: Unacceptable

Starchild: The cruicible has changed me.  My new solution is to have you jump off that cliff and turn everyone into organic-syntetic beings (totally not more reapers) to prevent you from creating synthetics that would rebel against their creators and destroy all organics.

No mention of how being part synthetic stops us from creating robot butlers that could rebel against us and kill all organosynthetics.

Shepard: Well when you phrase it that way, sounds good to me

Everyone else  

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 08 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[CanonShepard]

The Razman wrote...

No ending is best for any singular alignment. They're all meant to be morally and ethically ambiguous.

Exactly.

OP, pick what you feel is right for your Shepard and stop worrying about what's Paragon or Renegade.

[julio77777]

Actually my ending was "none of the above".

When given the choice of the road I stood there dumb not willing to choose any because they seemed all wrong...and got a game over.
I didn't play SP since.

Read about the endings later and I must say i'm glad with my choice, let the civilisations in 50000 years deal with Starchild and its crappy logic....

[Filanwizard]

The one thing I wonder at the end of control is if the Citadel is ever removed from earth orbit. that thing would certainly be causing tidal issues for what is left of the cities on Earth.