Mermaid Claire wrote...
I think my favourite part of Skyrim is how their bow and arrow combat works. Would love if Bioware takes inspiration from that!
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Maria Caliban wrote...
Can the DA engine support open-world design? All of their RPGs, even their MMO, is broken up levels.
It doesn't have dynamic loading of "world cells" as far as i can tell. It may be possible to add, but personally i'd rather they didn't -- the whole 'open world' gushing over Skyrim and such is pretty silly when the "worlds" are the size of Disney park rides.Maria Caliban wrote...
Can the DA engine support open-world design? All of their RPGs, even their MMO, is broken up levels.
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lx_theo wrote...
The biggest inspiration DA3 should take from Skyrim is, of course, the open world style immersion.
I don't think DA3 should do it exactly like Skyrim though. I believe with how the DA world works in contrast to the Elder Scrolls one, one big area to explore isn't reasonable.
What I think they should do instead is do the open world experience on a smaller scale, but 4 or so times throughout the game. Obviously the story should involve more parts of the world than one. There could be 4 main areas of conflict in which the Main Character travels, each their own open world style setting.
Skyrim does so much to create tons of things to do in exploration, question and more with the open world style. I think this would help DA3 be a better game if this development route was taken.
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tmp7704 wrote...
It doesn't have dynamic loading of "world cells" as far as i can tell. It may be possible to add, but personally i'd rather they didn't -- the whole 'open world' gushing over Skyrim and such is pretty silly when the "worlds" are the size of Disney park rides.Maria Caliban wrote...
Can the DA engine support open-world design? All of their RPGs, even their MMO, is broken up levels.
I can't remember exact details but Daggerfall wouldn't run for me. I did play Midwinter though, which was similarly large. That's part of the reason why the more modern and so much smaller renditions feel so sillyTommyServo wrote...
Off topic but...did you play Daggerfall?
The open world was something like 160,000 square miles, and you could walk it. There were thousands of towns with unique (randomly generated) NPCs.
It may have been palette swapped, and about on the level of Duke Nukem 3D visually, but goddammit, it was inspiring.
I would assume that an open-world RPG has its own coding issues that BioWare isn't used to dealing with. 'Upgrading' it might take quite a bit of time and resources.lx_theo wrote...
I don't see why not. At the very least they should be able to upgrade it to do stuff like that.Maria Caliban wrote...
Can the DA engine support open-world design? All of their RPGs, even their MMO, is broken up levels.
That's what I was going for.tmp7704 wrote...
It doesn't have dynamic loading of "world cells" as far as i can tell.
Size doesn't matter. It's the experience that matters.It may be possible to add, but personally i'd rather they didn't -- the whole 'open world' gushing over Skyrim and such is pretty silly when the "worlds" are the size of Disney park rides.
Maria Caliban wrote...
I would assume that an open-world RPG has its own coding issues that BioWare isn't used to dealing with. 'Upgrading' it might take quite a bit of time and resources.lx_theo wrote...
I don't see why not. At the very least they should be able to upgrade it to do stuff like that.Maria Caliban wrote...
Can the DA engine support open-world design? All of their RPGs, even their MMO, is broken up levels.
When the size negatively affects the experience, it does matter.Maria Caliban wrote...
Size doesn't matter. It's the experience that matters.
the_one_54321 wrote...
The biggest inspiration DAIII should take from Skyrim is the silent PC.
For a story-based game, a small size positively affects the experience.tmp7704 wrote...
When the size negatively affects the experience, it does matter.Maria Caliban wrote...
Size doesn't matter. It's the experience that matters.
Didn't say anything about the "how." Just said that the PC should be silent.lx_theo wrote...
No, just no. That'd be horrible to go with how Skyrim does silent PC if there is a silent PC at all.the_one_54321 wrote...
The biggest inspiration DAIII should take from Skyrim is the silent PC.
the_one_54321 wrote...
Didn't say anything about the "how." Just said that the PC should be silent.lx_theo wrote...
No, just no. That'd be horrible to go with how Skyrim does silent PC if there is a silent PC at all.the_one_54321 wrote...
The biggest inspiration DAIII should take from Skyrim is the silent PC.
What I hear; "make the game even more expensive to develop, resulting in even greater decrease in content and control than we've already seen."lx_theo wrote...
I also don't think the PC should be silent. In games that emphasize story like Bioware games, its a bit archaic for my tastes. I rather they imporve upon the dialogue system they put in place in DA2.
If the obviously artificial scale breaks my immersion in the story this is not positive effect to me, by any means. Quite the opposite. Especially if the game at the same time tries to make vague noises how the "open world" the size of a closet it's set in is supposed to be its compelling point.Maria Caliban wrote...
For a story-based game, a small size positively affects the experience.
the_one_54321 wrote...
What I hear; "make the game even more expensive to develop, resulting in even greater decrease in content and control than we've already seen."lx_theo wrote...
I also don't think the PC should be silent. In games that emphasize story like Bioware games, its a bit archaic for my tastes. I rather they imporve upon the dialogue system they put in place in DA2.
"For the better" is pretty darn subjective. That's purely a personal taste thing, isn't it? Unless you have a hard list of characteristics that improve content, performance, or appreciation of the game, resulting from voicing every line of the PC.lx_theo wrote...
What I hear is, "Take out a great and iconic feature because I just want to play old games again, rather than have the franchise evolve for the better."the_one_54321 wrote...
What I hear; "make the game even more expensive to develop, resulting in even greater decrease in content and control than we've already seen."lx_theo wrote...
I also don't think the PC should be silent. In games that emphasize story like Bioware games, its a bit archaic for my tastes. I rather they imporve upon the dialogue system they put in place in DA2.
Modifié par the_one_54321, 06 avril 2012 - 06:39 .
It is better for the game. It evolves it. I can't think of one possible upside to silent protagionists that can't be part of a voiced one with tweaks and evolving of the system already in place. Silent protagionist cannot emulate any of the big upsides voiced protagionists have.the_one_54321 wrote...
"For the better" is pretty darn subjective. That's purely a personal taste thing, isn't it? Unless you have a hard list of characteristics that improve content, performance, or appreciation of the game, resulting from voicing every line of the PC.lx_theo wrote...
What I hear is, "Take out a great and iconic feature because I just want to play old games again, rather than have the franchise evolve for the better."the_one_54321 wrote...
What I hear; "make the game even more expensive to develop, resulting in even greater decrease in content and control than we've already seen."lx_theo wrote...
I also don't think the PC should be silent. In games that emphasize story like Bioware games, its a bit archaic for my tastes. I rather they imporve upon the dialogue system they put in place in DA2.
I'm talking about how much this stuff costs the developers, and what they are required to give up in the game if they want to include it.
It's not necessarily for the better (or worse). I actually discovered that I like hearing my PC (especially since it would be really weird *not* to hear her in the cinematic scenes), but I don't always agree with *how* she says things - inflection makes a big difference. I have the same gripe with the dialogue wheel. I want to control what my PC is saying and how she says it, which in turn helps me guide how I perceive my PC, the story, and the characters' relation to each other.lx_theo wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
What I hear; "make the game even more expensive to develop, resulting in even greater decrease in content and control than we've already seen."lx_theo wrote...
I also don't think the PC should be silent. In games that emphasize story like Bioware games, its a bit archaic for my tastes. I rather they imporve upon the dialogue system they put in place in DA2.
What I hear is, "Take out a great and iconic feature because I just want to play old games again, rather than have the franchise evolve for the better."
You're misusing the concept of evolution. Evolutionary changes favor characterstics that perform well. Simply being a change does not automatically imply an improvement, nor better performance. All that has been domonstrated thus far is that voicing the PC offers a change in presentation.lx_theo wrote...
It is better for the game. It evolves it. I can't think of one possible upside to silent protagionists that can't be part of a voiced one with tweaks and evolving of the system already in place. Silent protagionist cannot emulate any of the big upsides voiced protagionists have.
And your acting like its the equivalent to the voice acting for an entire game. Its just the player characters. The rest of the game still has all its voicing.There's still just as much writing. Do you really think they could add in any significant amoutn of content for what they spend recording the VO for the PC?
The very lack of voiced protagonist is an upside for some of the players. It's not something that "tweaks and evolving" can address.lx_theo wrote...
I can't think of one possible upside to silent protagionists that can't be part of a voiced one with tweaks and evolving of the system already in place.
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