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[Immz]

Savber100 wrote...

B*tching about something we know little about is stupid.

Plain and simple. As of now, the whining is casting us as a bunch of ignorant, self-entitled fanboys. Save your rage until the release of the new DLC and THEN decide whether Bioware has misjudged everything.

You missed the point of the whole thread.

We waited until the release of the game to complain about the script, and look, it was horrible!
We waited until the release of the game to complain that all the issues from the demo are STILL in the game, and look, they were all there and THEN some!

So why now, when we know Bioware is explicitly going against what the majority is telling them needs to be done in order to save the series, should we sit and wait for them to be done before we post judgment? We did before, and got nowhere. The time to speak out against them is now, before they go forth on this stupid venture.

[OozesAwesome]

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Modifié par OozesAwesome, 06 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[Immz]

Rammastus wrote...

Immz wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

As I recall, they actually made changes to the ending based on feedback from that leaked script. The fanbase more or less got what it asked for.

We asked for our choices to matter. 

Not one person can say with a straight face that this is the ending that they wanted.

I can say it with a straight face. I liked the endings and found them appropriate.

Alright. So tell me then, why did you like them and found them appropriate?

[Immz]

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

Modifié par Immz, 06 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[AJRimmsey]

Immz wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

B*tching about something we know little about is stupid.

Plain and simple. As of now, the whining is casting us as a bunch of ignorant, self-entitled fanboys. Save your rage until the release of the new DLC and THEN decide whether Bioware has misjudged everything.

You missed the point of the whole thread.

We waited until the release of the game to complain about the script, and look, it was horrible!
We waited until the release of the game to complain that all the issues from the demo are STILL in the game, and look, they were all there and THEN some!

So why now, when we know Bioware is explicitly going against what the majority is telling them needs to be done in order to save the series, should we sit and wait for them to be done before we post judgment? We did before, and got nowhere. The time to speak out against them is now, before they go forth on this stupid venture.

let me try and show you why you are getting people angry and coming off as a ranter

I waited until the release of the game to complain about the script, and look, I THINK it was horrible!
I waited until the release of the game to complain that all the issues
from the demo I THINK are STILL in the game, and look,I THINK they were all there and
THEN some!

So why now, when I THINK Bioware is explicitly going
against what I AM telling them needs to be done in order to
save the series, should I sit and wait for them to be done before I
post judgment? I did before, and got nowhere. The time to speak out
against them is now, before they go forth on WHAT I THINK is a stupid venture.

you never say what you think,you are always trying to rope everyone into your theory by stating everyone follows your theory.

the second anyone says different you then demand they explain themselves to you.

so is it any wonder people are taking you for a fool who thinks they are the only person with a right to an opinion. ?
your attitudes drips with condescension and ignorance.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 06 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Immz]

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

The way Bioware intended it, Starchild was real, and all of that happened in real time. This DLC will elaborate on that, and pretty much disconfirms IT, sadly. Bioware did not put that much thought into the ending. We did. We put those pieces together to make something out of nothing.

[OozesAwesome]

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

Oh go away you irritating little beast of burden.

[Immz]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Immz wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

B*tching about something we know little about is stupid.

Plain and simple. As of now, the whining is casting us as a bunch of ignorant, self-entitled fanboys. Save your rage until the release of the new DLC and THEN decide whether Bioware has misjudged everything.

You missed the point of the whole thread.

We waited until the release of the game to complain about the script, and look, it was horrible!
We waited until the release of the game to complain that all the issues from the demo are STILL in the game, and look, they were all there and THEN some!

So why now, when we know Bioware is explicitly going against what the majority is telling them needs to be done in order to save the series, should we sit and wait for them to be done before we post judgment? We did before, and got nowhere. The time to speak out against them is now, before they go forth on this stupid venture.

let me try and show you why you are getting people angry and coming off as a ranter

I waited until the release of the game to complain about the script, and look, I THINK it was horrible!
I waited until the release of the game to complain that all the issues
from the demo I THINK are STILL in the game, and look,I THINK they were all there and
THEN some!

So why now, when I THINK Bioware is explicitly going
against what I AM telling them needs to be done in order to
save the series, should I sit and wait for them to be done before I
post judgment? I did before, and got nowhere. The time to speak out
against them is now, before they go forth on WHAT I THINK is a stupid venture.

you never say what you think,you are always trying to rope everyone into your theory by stating everyone follows your theory.

the second anyone says different you then demand they explain themselves to you.

so is it any wonder people are taking you for a fool who thinks they are the only person with a right to an opinion. ?
your attitudes drips with condescension and ignorance.

You just do not get it.

This is not about what I personally think. I'm speaking on behalf of every post I've read about this. The ending spits in the face of ME. Bioware's expanding on that ending, sticking with their ending and not altering it in any way. Expanding crap makes it bigger crap. The plot holes are still there, they're just "addressing" them.

I don't know why I'm responding to you, you simply choose to not understand.

It's just.. sad. I've tried reaching out to you. I've explained to you thirty times. I've showed you links, I've shown you threads. I've cited why the endings are horrible, and why they ruin Mass Effect, yet you keep thinking that I'm speaking out of my opinion.

I'm speaking in facts.

ME3 ending = Destroys ME lore entirely. Fact.
Bioware said they are not altering this ending in any way. Fact.
ME lore is ruined. Fact (Still with me?) Extended ending just elaborates on how the lore is ruined. Fact.
Therefore, this DLC serves no purpose than propogating the destruction of everything Mass Effect ever was. 

[FlashedMyDrive]

All they are doing is adding longer cut-scenes. I can pretty safely say that I'm not going to like it.

>Same godchild.
>Same useless color choices.
>Same rushed ending.
>Same destruction of the mass relays.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 06 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[Immz]

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

Oh go away you irritating little beast of burden.

Why? You justified liking the endings as is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory. Bioware has made no indication that this theory is true, at all. What you saw in the ending is what Bioware intended to be real.

Despite how much we want it to be so, the IT will remain as a theory. Bioware wants us to understand that the ending we saw happened real time. Shepard really spoke to the star child. It's sad, and that's the path theyre sticking with. HENCE the outrage.

If you liked the endings for what they were, you wouldn't be speaking about the Indoctrination Theory. This is what I find funny. You don't like the endings the way they are now, you like what fans want it to be, because the alternative is too disgusting to accept.

And do me a favor, instead of just replying with "Lol u waste of space" just respond to what I said. Read it, and just get it. 

Even so, with the perfect and brilliant IT ending you like so much, there's a problem; that there wasn't an actual ending. So we paid money for a game, according to you, that had a great scene where 

Modifié par Immz, 06 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[Darkeus]

Hey Immz

Just leave them alone. The trolls have you hooked....

[Immz]

Darkeus wrote...

Hey Immz

Just leave them alone. The trolls have you hooked....

True, but their arguments are no different than the average pro-ending people, so it's fun just speaking about it

[Sidney]

The DLC won't help. Honestly I'd rather they didn't adjust priorities (translation: delaying real DLC) to try and explain the ending. The problem is nothing can ever give me back my first playthrough on the game where I really experienced the game. Tossing out a DLC 3 months after launch won't make me gooo, oh, ok now I feel better about it.

[TMcKfly]

OozesAwesome thank you so much for the wise input, it's exactly how I feel about the ending. IT is brilliant (even though fan made) I absolutely believe in everything that it stands for. And I'm not stating that all the other "crazed fans" of the series that are currently up in arms about the ending are wrong by not either a) believing in IT or "Holding the line" because that's the sure fire way BioWare will fix their mistakes, I'm just stating that there's another way to look at this and that is may be a more "artistic" view of the ending. Which isn't this how BioWare wanted their game to be and remain?

I'm just throwing in my 2 cents, I'm tired of complaining, 99% of the game was amazing, plus the entire rest of the trilogy. Just don't lose sleep over things like this and look at it in a more positive way. You'll enjoy your life just a tad bit more!

[Sidney]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

All they are doing is adding longer cut-scenes. I can pretty safely say that I'm not going to like it.

>Same godchild.
>Same useless color choices.
>Same rushed ending.
>Same destruction of the mass relays.

I don't think this was rushed. This sort of failure is actually pretty time consuming to come up with. I still say the "original dark mater" ending is not a lick bit better than this so right now they are 0-2 coming up with a rationale for why the Reapers do what they do.

Destruction of the relays isn't a problem (unless you wrongly think they go nova) at all. It is part of the price to stop the reapers.

[CELL55]

We don't need to be told what happens, because we already have a pretty good idea of it. If the Relays explode like the Alpha Relay, then everyone dies. If they don't, then everyone is cut off, and they either starve to death or lack sufficient numbers to sustain a population. Quick death or a long one, we already know what will happen; we don't need a closure DLC to tell us.

[Immz]

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

Oh go away you irritating little beast of burden.

Why? You justified liking the endings as is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory. Bioware has made no indication that this theory is true, at all. What you saw in the ending is what Bioware intended to be real.

Despite how much we want it to be so, the IT will remain as a theory. Bioware wants us to understand that the ending we saw happened real time. Shepard really spoke to the star child. It's sad, and that's the path theyre sticking with. HENCE the outrage.

If you liked the endings for what they were, you wouldn't be speaking about the Indoctrination Theory. This is what I find funny. You don't like the endings the way they are now, you like what fans want it to be, because the alternative is too disgusting to accept.

And do me a favor, instead of just replying with "Lol u waste of space" just respond to what I said. Read it, and just get it. 

Even so, with the perfect and brilliant IT ending you like so much, there's a problem; that there wasn't an actual ending. So we paid money for a game, according to you, that had a great scene where 

Adding on top of that, with that ending you have and support, there is no actual ending. Shepard fights through Indoctrination, wakes up in London, and then what? Game over? The reapers are still there, there wasn't an actual ending.

Bioware said the Extended cut will feature a cinematic and epilogue. So now more gameplay post-ending. This means the IT can't be true, unless Shepard finds a way to stop the Reapers in a cutscene we just get to watch. On top of that, that's not even possible as Hale hasn't been approached to do any lines. So this extended cut would have Shepard not speaking.

IT is a great idea, but Bioware pretty much shut it down with this announcement. You should be just as mad as I am because the ending YOU love and thought was right was shut down, and you're forced to accept that the Starchild encounter really did happen and it was not all in Shepard's head.

Thank you, and good night.

[Immz]

CELL55 wrote...

We don't need to be told what happens, because we already have a pretty good idea of it. If the Relays explode like the Alpha Relay, then everyone dies. If they don't, then everyone is cut off, and they either starve to death or lack sufficient numbers to sustain a population. Quick death or a long one, we already know what will happen; we don't need a closure DLC to tell us.

Which is why everyone is pissed.

We worked through three games of choices and tough calls and sacrifices for nothing. If we betrayed Tali or Legion or united them it doesn't matter. Relays blew up, everyone is dead. The lore states so.

But no, according to tweets, space magic will render these explosions 'controlled' and they can be 'rebuilt' somehow.

It's all so ridiculous.

[OozesAwesome]

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

Immz wrote...

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

Really?

Your reason why you like the ending, is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory? You don't like the ending, so you used the IT to justify it. We all want it to happen, but still. Believing in the IT is another way of saying you dislike the ending they put in front of you. IT is all speculation.

Yeah, like I originally thought.  You're a waste of time....and oxygen.


I should go.

Thanks for the compliment. But I asked you why you liked the endings, and you claim that Bioware intentionally enacted the Indoctrination Theory, when in fact they did not. IT is a fan-made theory that helps justify and give meaning to the ending. I love the IT, because it makes the ending seem less ****. Regardless, you can't say "I love the endings!" and then follow up by explaining a string of speculated points that Bioware didn't intend to be there.

This is what I find funny. So people who hate the ending are calling for justice, and apparently people who like the ending aren't even accepting it for what it was! You reasoned liking the endings provided with your imagination and hopeful speculation.

You don't like the endings, you like the endings with the idea of Indoctrination, which makes it seem so clever and brilliant, but Bioware didn't put that there, fans did.


It's just, I'm sorry, it's hilarious, really. Because you said you "understood" the endings in a way we don't. I understand the Indoctrination Theory, and oh how I truly want it to be real. But if you didn't come on the internet and found the videos and posts explaining it, you would NOT have come to that conclusion. You don't "understand" the ending, you just believe in the Indoctrination Theory. 

I don't know how I can make it any more blunt.

You say you get the endings, when all you did was re-imagine the ending in your head and justified it saying Bioware meant it.

Oh go away you irritating little beast of burden.

Why? You justified liking the endings as is because you believe in the Indoctrination Theory. Bioware has made no indication that this theory is true, at all. What you saw in the ending is what Bioware intended to be real.

Despite how much we want it to be so, the IT will remain as a theory. Bioware wants us to understand that the ending we saw happened real time. Shepard really spoke to the star child. It's sad, and that's the path theyre sticking with. HENCE the outrage.

If you liked the endings for what they were, you wouldn't be speaking about the Indoctrination Theory. This is what I find funny. You don't like the endings the way they are now, you like what fans want it to be, because the alternative is too disgusting to accept.

And do me a favor, instead of just replying with "Lol u waste of space" just respond to what I said. Read it, and just get it. 

I really don't want to respond to you.  You're annoying.  How can I make this more clear?  Don't answer that please, I don't want to hear from you again but I liked the ending because of the Indoctrination story arc.  I don't need Bioware to confirm it for me.

Somehow you're telling me that in actuality I don't like the endings. WTF??  You're trying to come off as somewhat of an intellect but you're just making it worse.

As I said way back, get a life, it's a damn game.  Find some human beings to interact with instead of make believe characters in a role playing game.  One day you'll need to be a productive member of society.

[SLana]

Sidney wrote...
Destruction of the relays isn't a problem (unless you wrongly think they go nova) at all. It is part of the price to stop the reapers.

Or it can be a problem unless you believe in friendly reapers building new relays, delivering supplies and taking everybody back to their home planets so they won't have to starve to death on devastated Earth. I don't even know what's worse.

Modifié par SLana, 06 avril 2012 - 03:19 .

[theoldmanfromscene24]

That "horrible" plot that happened on Rannoch and Tuchanka?

How is it that so many forget the other 99% of the game that we can all agree was great.

[AJRimmsey]

Immz wrote...


I'm speaking in facts.

ME3 ending = Destroys ME lore entirely. Fact.
Bioware said they are not altering this ending in any way. Fact.
ME lore is ruined. Fact (Still with me?) Extended ending just elaborates on how the lore is ruined. Fact.
Therefore, this DLC serves no purpose than propogating the destruction of everything Mass Effect ever was. 

if you dont see how truly stupid what you typed is then you are more ignorant than even i gave you credit for.

you even comment on dlc you have not even seen yet,and it doesnt get any more ignorant than that

[Immz]

theoldmanfromscene24 wrote...

That "horrible" plot that happened on Rannoch and Tuchanka?

How is it that so many forget the other 99% of the game that we can all agree was great.

I never said those plots were horrible. I loved most of the game until I hit the ending.

I'm arguing that this DLC will do nothing except keep us pissed off, because nothing is being done to change it.

[Immz]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Immz wrote...


I'm speaking in facts.

ME3 ending = Destroys ME lore entirely. Fact.
Bioware said they are not altering this ending in any way. Fact.
ME lore is ruined. Fact (Still with me?) Extended ending just elaborates on how the lore is ruined. Fact.
Therefore, this DLC serves no purpose than propogating the destruction of everything Mass Effect ever was. 

if you dont see how truly stupid what you typed is then you are more ignorant than even i gave you credit for.

you even comment on dlc you have not even seen yet,and it doesnt get any more ignorant than that

I'm posting what we have been told about the DLC and what it will explain and won't. It's expanding on these endings, meaning it needs to expand on each individual ending so 1/3 of the players aren't excluded.

This throws IT out the window, since IT only works with Destroy.

Bioware stated they are only releasing this is the only DLC that will be post-end. And it has no gameplay, as explained in the announcement. "Cinematics and epilogue".

I'm merely using the information they gave us and telling you why it's wrong.

You're being ignorant, and you're not even trying to retort. You just say "YOU DONT GET HOW WRONG YOU ARE SO IM NOT EVEN GONNA BOTHER TELLING YOU YOURE WRONG"

Go ahead then, tell me why you think I'm wrong. Let's have a discussion.

[OozesAwesome]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Immz wrote...


I'm speaking in facts.

ME3 ending = Destroys ME lore entirely. Fact.
Bioware said they are not altering this ending in any way. Fact.
ME lore is ruined. Fact (Still with me?) Extended ending just elaborates on how the lore is ruined. Fact.
Therefore, this DLC serves no purpose than propogating the destruction of everything Mass Effect ever was. 

if you dont see how truly stupid what you typed is then you are more ignorant than even i gave you credit for.

you even comment on dlc you have not even seen yet,and it doesnt get any more ignorant than that

It is frustrating isn't it AJ?