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[_Arkayne_]

OozesAwesome wrote...

SLana wrote...

Immz wrote...

SLana wrote...

While I do not agree at some points with IT fans for example, those people made a lot of videos and writing to explain why they feel the way they feel about endings. A person who made the vid in my signature did great job explaining why he thinks endings are bad, without IT. But Ididn't see anything like that from people who liked endings. Just "why u no understand they are great" or "I like they are grim"...

Weird how that happens right? It makes you wonder whether these people even really like the ending.

They maybe like the ending, but I suppose they don't care much about details, logic and rules of science fiction.

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

The detail is this....the Reapers use indoctrination to bend an organics will to their own.  The Reapers, in particular Harbinger, have been trying unsuccessfully to indoctrinate Shepard.  Who they realized is one of the most significant threats to their existance.

This is a story arc that needed to be addressed.  How come Shepard has been able to fight indoctrination up to this point when so many other organics, even Saren, have succumbed to it?  Had this not been addressed would have been a major plot hole in itself.

How Bioware dealt with this story arc is absolutely brilliant.  Since you control the actions of Shepard your mind had to make a choice.  You.  Two choices that you can make have you accepting that the Reapers should still exist.  One has you making the choice that the Reapers should be destroyed, which is what has been Shepards goal ever since he/she uncovered the Reaper threat.

The ending is a mind game.  The ending is playing with the players mind.  You don't sit passively by watching whether Shepard gets indoctrinated or not.  YOU make that choice.  The ending is astonishingly brilliant.

I watched 30 seconds of your video to conclude that the person that made the video doesn't understand the ending either.  Those that hate the ending beleive that what is playing out is happening in reality.  What is playing out is Shepards mind being torn apart by Harbinger.  Logic and reason no longer applies.  Have your dreams ever made sense when you woke up from them?

You have one right choice, and it is the most important decision of the series thus far.  Your Shepard either takes a breath in the rubble of London or not.  This ending clarification DLC will likely explain what happens next.

Immz you wanted me to enlighten?  Well there you go.

I'm done.

I should go.

I want to believe IT, but there would have been evidence in the leaked script.
There wasn't.

[SLana]

OozesAwesome wrote...

Those that are comfortable with the ending are so because they understand the detail.  Logic and rules of science fiction are thrown out the window when someone's mind is being torn apart.

They think they understand. Until BW says it was indoctrination, this is just a theory. I wish it was as you say, but I can't afford myself to tell somebody it is real because I think it was so, even if it was logically concluded.

Modifié par SLana, 06 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Tovanus]

Erixxxx wrote...

As I recall, they actually made changes to the ending based on feedback from that leaked script. The fanbase more or less got what it asked for.

Not sure where you got that from. What I've heard is that the ending was leaked, people said it was terrible, and Bioware essentially stuck with the terrible ending they had. Any changes they made were for minor elements; the ending that ultimately came out of it was clearly not from the fanbase or being requested by the fanbase. You can tell from the pre-release comments of the producer. They KNEW what the fans wanted, they made statements touting what fans would supposedly get based on that. Sure, the statements weren't truthful, but obviously Bioware was aware of what was wanted.

And no one, anywhere, ever asked for Starchild. No one. People might have asked that answers be given about the Reapers, but you can find amateur answers done in forum fanfiction with 10 times the skill than was demonstrated by the writers of the game in coming up with Starchild. It wouldn't have taken much to avoid that abomination.

[Rammastus]

Immz wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

As I recall, they actually made changes to the ending based on feedback from that leaked script. The fanbase more or less got what it asked for.

We asked for our choices to matter. 

Not one person can say with a straight face that this is the ending that they wanted.

I can say it with a straight face. I liked the endings and found them appropriate.

[LolaLei]

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

[AJRimmsey]

Rammastus wrote...

Immz wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

As I recall, they actually made changes to the ending based on feedback from that leaked script. The fanbase more or less got what it asked for.

We asked for our choices to matter. 

Not one person can say with a straight face that this is the ending that they wanted.

I can say it with a straight face. I liked the endings and found them appropriate.

me too

worthy of a movie blockbuster

[ReaperDominator]

LolaLei wrote...

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

that is fair enough but to have the OP try and force it on others is rediculous, and to then say to anyone who disagreeds with him or his opinions that they are wrong......i agree is OP is entitled to his opinion...but so is every one else....

[RebelTitan428]

thedosbox wrote...

Some people really need to get a life.

i agree, you do need to get a life

[LolaLei]

ReaperDominator wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

that is fair enough but to have the OP try and force it on others is rediculous, and to then say to anyone who disagreeds with him or his opinions that they are wrong......i agree is OP is entitled to his opinion...but so is every one else....

It's just anger and frustration, I don't think he/she means to offend.

[tobiasks]

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

[Rammastus]

LolaLei wrote...

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

You and the OP are both entitled to your opinions. I get that. But I for one am not saying do nothing else untill the DLC is released. Go find a game you do like and when in a few months it comes out, come back try it (if you still own a copy of the game) then say. But assuming the worst without any valid evidence is just as bad as assuming the best without valid evidence. Yes, I say wait to complain or praise the DLC untill it comes out then judge the content. If your skeptical, thats ok, just don't complain about something that is not even out yet and you only know *few* details of for sure.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Rammastus wrote...

Immz wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

As I recall, they actually made changes to the ending based on feedback from that leaked script. The fanbase more or less got what it asked for.

We asked for our choices to matter. 

Not one person can say with a straight face that this is the ending that they wanted.

I can say it with a straight face. I liked the endings and found them appropriate.

You actually liked the fact the catalyst straight up says synthetics and organics cannot work together when the geth are volanteering  to upgrade the software of quarian suits so that the quarians can acclomate to the outside world faster and then assisting in the defeat of the reapers along side organics? WHY!!!

[AJRimmsey]

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

[LolaLei]

Rammastus wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

You and the OP are both entitled to your opinions. I get that. But I for one am not saying do nothing else untill the DLC is released. Go find a game you do like and when in a few months it comes out, come back try it (if you still own a copy of the game) then say. But assuming the worst without any valid evidence is just as bad as assuming the best without valid evidence. Yes, I say wait to complain or praise the DLC untill it comes out then judge the content. If your skeptical, thats ok, just don't complain about something that is not even out yet and you only know *few* details of for sure.

Oh I'm not angry or anything, I'm happy to knock around for a while and wait to see what the endings are like... if they are bad then I want to experience it with my own eyes, to let it properly sink in etc. If the dlc turns out to be good then thats a bonus.

I just understand where the OP is coming from tis all.

Modifié par LolaLei, 06 avril 2012 - 01:03 .

[SLana]

ReaperDominator wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I can understand OP not trusting Bioware.

There's only so many times you can give someone (in this case Bioware) the benefit of the doubt before it starts to take the ******. Are we going to be sitting here in 2 or 3 months time spitting nails about how bad the the extended ending dlc is? Maybe, maybe not but you can't blame OP for expecting the worst.

that is fair enough but to have the OP try and force it on others is rediculous, and to then say to anyone who disagreeds with him or his opinions that they are wrong......i agree is OP is entitled to his opinion...but so is every one else....

Is it really better to build hopes to have them crushed again?  I don't apologize forcing others, but I guess OP just wants us to be a little less optimistic in order to spare our feelings in case if we will get another kick. Just think about it - if you don't wait anything from that DLC and it will be bad, you will just say "oh well", no rage and extremely bad feelings again. And if it will be good - you'll get more positive feelings than you would if you will wait for it impatiently

Modifié par SLana, 06 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[LolaLei]

AJRimmsey wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

Well ****, that explains where I've been going wrong then!

[AJRimmsey]

LolaLei wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

Well ****, that explains where I've been going wrong then!

especially when the guy is sitting in your tree watching your mrs and then calls you out to comment on the size of your wifes bristols.

btw..you owe me for a keyb cleaning...

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 06 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[Rammastus]

Yes, in most universes, Synthetics and Organics are unable to live together. Blade Runner, Armitage III, Borg from Star Trek, Not to mention the 3 Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov (fairly sure I spelled wrong). Members of one side will always try to kill the other side. As I wasn't able to get them both in the game. As we are in a non spoiler section of the thread, I won't go into specific ME3 detail. To put it like this: How can you fully trust something that can change from liking you to killing you because of corrupted data or a simple computer virus changing its mind? The race that built the Catalyst could have felt that in their experience, there can't be piece so created the catalyst. Now its been god knows how many years later, it's still following it's programming. It's programming would still after all this time say that synths and organics can't. It follows logically to me.


**EDIT**

Forgot to mention the Terminators trying to kill humans.

Modifié par Rammastus, 06 avril 2012 - 01:09 .

[LolaLei]

AJRimmsey wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

Well ****, that explains where I've been going wrong then!

especially when the guy is sitting in your tree watching your mrs and then calls you out to comment on the size of your wifes bristols.

btw..you owe me for a keyb cleaning...

LOL! I like you, you're fun!

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

AJRimmsey wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

[AJRimmsey]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

tobiasks wrote...

Saying OP is mentally unstable because he gets attached to the game, which I believe most users on this forum did, is just... well you have to be trolling.

theres a difference between sending a girl a birthday card and sitting in a tree watching her shower every night.

its not trolling to tell that guy hes not normal for sitting in that tree.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

just trying to highlight levels of lunacy

when we get storms here on the welsh coast i like to go to witchs point where the body count is in the hundreds,and stand on a cliff while hell is unleashed around me.

is this lunacy ?

most think it is until they try it.

[SLana]

Rammastus wrote...

Yes, in most universes, Synthetics and Organics are unable to live together. Blade Runner, Armitage III, Borg from Star Trek, Not to mention the 3 Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov (fairly sure I spelled wrong). Members of one side will always try to kill the other side. As I wasn't able to get them both in the game. As we are in a non spoiler section of the thread, I won't go into specific ME3 detail. To put it like this: How can you fully trust something that can change from liking you to killing you because of corrupted data or a simple computer virus changing its mind? The race that built the Catalyst could have felt that in their experience, there can't be piece so created the catalyst. Now its been god knows how many years later, it's still following it's programming. It's programming would still after all this time say that synths and organics can't. It follows logically to me.

So a couple of simple questions - why create synthetics to wipe out organics to prevent them from being wiped out by synthetics? Why just not wipe out synthetics every xxx years for example? What's the point and purpose of organic life if it will be destroyed despite anything? What's the point in storing those lost civilizations in reaper form? 

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Rammastus wrote...

Yes, in most universes, Synthetics and Organics are unable to live together. Blade Runner, Armitage III, Borg from Star Trek, Not to mention the 3 Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov (fairly sure I spelled wrong). Members of one side will always try to kill the other side. As I wasn't able to get them both in the game. As we are in a non spoiler section of the thread, I won't go into specific ME3 detail. To put it like this: How can you fully trust something that can change from liking you to killing you because of corrupted data or a simple computer virus changing its mind? The race that built the Catalyst could have felt that in their experience, there can't be piece so created the catalyst. Now its been god knows how many years later, it's still following it's programming. It's programming would still after all this time say that synths and organics can't. It follows logically to me.


**EDIT**

Forgot to mention the Terminators trying to kill humans.

But see here is the thing I did get the ending where the geth and the quarians worked together, why am I getting the shaft because I worked damn hard to makes sure those two races could live in peace. Also the whole synthetics vs organics is a pile of croc anyway, synthetics have totally different needs than organics and vice versa. The geth seeing as how they have no need for food, money, or air do not need to live on a garden world. They could move to Mercury and that wouldn't bother us at all. The fear that the computer will just go out and kill you is baseless, if we were to actually come into conflict due to resources a computer would just more than likely let us have them as a computer is immortal and has infinite patience, they can just leave and find another rock to call home because all it costs them is time and because they are immortal time has no meaning to them.

[AJRimmsey]

SLana wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Yes, in most universes, Synthetics and Organics are unable to live together. Blade Runner, Armitage III, Borg from Star Trek, Not to mention the 3 Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov (fairly sure I spelled wrong). Members of one side will always try to kill the other side. As I wasn't able to get them both in the game. As we are in a non spoiler section of the thread, I won't go into specific ME3 detail. To put it like this: How can you fully trust something that can change from liking you to killing you because of corrupted data or a simple computer virus changing its mind? The race that built the Catalyst could have felt that in their experience, there can't be piece so created the catalyst. Now its been god knows how many years later, it's still following it's programming. It's programming would still after all this time say that synths and organics can't. It follows logically to me.

So a couple of simple questions - why create synthetics to wipe out organics to prevent them from being wiped out by synthetics? Why just not wipe out synthetics every xxx years for example? What's the point and purpose of organic life if it will be destroyed despite anything? What's the point in storing those lost civilizations in reaper form? 

borg

terminator

vorolon v shadow

the base story has been used many times before.

we create a slave race of synthetics
they become self aware
they revolt

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

AJRimmsey wrote...

SLana wrote...

Rammastus wrote...

Yes, in most universes, Synthetics and Organics are unable to live together. Blade Runner, Armitage III, Borg from Star Trek, Not to mention the 3 Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov (fairly sure I spelled wrong). Members of one side will always try to kill the other side. As I wasn't able to get them both in the game. As we are in a non spoiler section of the thread, I won't go into specific ME3 detail. To put it like this: How can you fully trust something that can change from liking you to killing you because of corrupted data or a simple computer virus changing its mind? The race that built the Catalyst could have felt that in their experience, there can't be piece so created the catalyst. Now its been god knows how many years later, it's still following it's programming. It's programming would still after all this time say that synths and organics can't. It follows logically to me.

So a couple of simple questions - why create synthetics to wipe out organics to prevent them from being wiped out by synthetics? Why just not wipe out synthetics every xxx years for example? What's the point and purpose of organic life if it will be destroyed despite anything? What's the point in storing those lost civilizations in reaper form? 

borg

terminator

vorolon v shadow

the base story has been used many times before.

we create a slave race of synthetics
they become self aware
they revolt

Why?