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[Atheosis]

It's simple. People hate on the Phaeston because the Phaeston is hot garbage. Roughly the same damage as an equal level Avenger while being considerably heavier. Come on now...

[born2beagator]

Brymfyre wrote...

I don't care how good or bad it is, it sounds awesome!

and I play turian a lot so it goes with the character:)

[The Spamming Troll]

the GPS sucks. all the full auto weapons suck. its a shame i cant get a full auto mattock or saber. theres no such thing, or what?

i use my AR as a backup weapon to my pistol in SP.

the paladin is awesome. i rarely dont use it.

[KelbornX]

ttchip wrote...

The bottom line is: The Avenger is about as good as the Phaeston while weighing way less and being less rare.

Avenger has much higher recoil than the Phaeston.  And yes, it's very noticable.  

I tired a game with it after I got the Phaeston, and wow (was using Mattock before, I know I was kind of stupid).  Useless for long range, bad at mid range.  Even with the +55% stability from Turian Veteran and Marksman active.  The only way the Avenger is good is with an Assault Rifle Stability Damper, but if you take even 2 points in Turian Veteran...  your stability would be over 100%, and it starts to drag your reticle down (instead of up, with normal recoil).  Until they fix that bug...  I'll be sticking with my Phaeston w/ Clip + Piercing mods.  

Modifié par KelbornX, 05 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[Atheosis]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

the GPS sucks. all the full auto weapons suck. its a shame i cant get a full auto mattock or saber. theres no such thing, or what?

i use my AR as a backup weapon to my pistol in SP.

the paladin is awesome. i rarely dont use it.

Go get a controller or mouse with an auto feature and then all semi-autos become full autos if you want them to be.

[Lybra]

Someone had mentioned something in a similar thread that nobody took seriously:

For some reason, the Phaeston works admirably when firing *bursts*. Try something between 5-10 rounds and it can diss out tons more damage than just spraying the target top to bottom. I love the weapon, and even though I can't say it's top choice (especially for gold matches), bursts from the Phaeston work a lot better.

[Atheosis]

Lybra wrote...

Someone had mentioned something in a similar thread that nobody took seriously:

For some reason, the Phaeston works admirably when firing *bursts*. Try something between 5-10 rounds and it can diss out tons more damage than just spraying the target top to bottom. I love the weapon, and even though I can't say it's top choice (especially for gold matches), bursts from the Phaeston work a lot better.

Burst fire with a gun that does piddly damage even in full auto?  Yeah okay...

[realgundam]

Let's put it this way,

Phaeston is under-rated by most and over rated by some. You will be the later.

Phaeston is a decent weapon, it's very rounded out and have good stopping power. The stopping power is probably the only thing going for it over Temples, as Temples out preform Phaeston in every other way in the hands of a good player that can control a weapon well.
Being a AR, Phaeston has access to armor piercing, which is what Temples lack. This means you do not need to wear a side arm with Phaeston, where as you need an Anti armor weapon with Temples.

So why is it under rated by most? becuase most ppl do not know how to aim for the head, which is what is required to shin as an AR user. So most ppl have bad experience pting with ppl using Phaeston.

Also, wearing a side arm with Phaeston is a bad idea, for the reason above. You are just grimming your cool down. Most AR are already very rounded so you only need to bring 1 weapon. This is probably the reason why you got kicked. I often use Phaeston with no problem

My score with Phaeston is often the top 2, or in case all 4 players have similar marks. It all depence on how you use it.

That said, it really is a Turian weapon. if you are a human soldier, I'd suggest using Vinc or Mott

Modifié par realgundam, 05 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[ttchip]

KelbornX wrote...

ttchip wrote...
The bottom line is: The Avenger is about as good as the Phaeston while weighing way less and being less rare.

Avenger has much higher recoil than the Phaeston.  And yes, it's very noticable.  

I tired a game with it after I got the Phaeston, and wow (was using Mattock before, I know I was kind of stupid).  Useless for long range, bad at mid range.  Even with the +55% stability from Turian Veteran and Marksman active.  The only way the Avenger is good is with an Assault Rifle Stability Damper, but if you take even 2 points in Turian Veteran...  your stability would be over 100%, and it starts to drag your reticle down (instead of up, with normal recoil).  Until they fix that bug...  I'll be sticking with my Phaeston w/ Clip + Piercing mods.

I just checked it on good ol' soldier-Shep. Both weapons have their fair share of recoil with the Avenger seeming to have slightly more. None of them require turian stability or recoil dampeners in order to be managable - at least for me (in contrast to the Revenant, for example).

[Ediblestarfish]

If you want to fire in controlled bursts, use a Vindicator. It's one of the higher damage weapons, in burst and over time. Really good if you can land the occasional head shot.

[Lybra]

Atheosis wrote...

Lybra wrote...

Someone had mentioned something in a similar thread that nobody took seriously:

For some reason, the Phaeston works admirably when firing *bursts*. Try something between 5-10 rounds and it can diss out tons more damage than just spraying the target top to bottom. I love the weapon, and even though I can't say it's top choice (especially for gold matches), bursts from the Phaeston work a lot better.

Burst fire with a gun that does piddly damage even in full auto?  Yeah okay...

I'm saying, it works better in bursts than it does when hosing a target continuously.  I'm uncertain why it is so, but I've tried it numerous times and it seems to be the case. 
You could correct me in this, however you seem to know better already...

[WWNSX]

after using it for awhile and leveling it up to V It's not too bad on Silver and Bronze. I have a Avenger X and the accuracy and fire rate on my Phaeston V are better. I use it with a Assault barrel III (wish I had a V), Themal clip magazine upgrade V, whatever ammo power I have, and a assault rifle amp.

I think it's better suited for a engineer or adept. I have used it with my Quarian Engineer and it wasn't too bad when i ranked 2nd in bronze and kill Atlases with it.

[tvih]

Sadly that gun has ******-poor damage - both per bullet and per second.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

I use my weiner ray

[Skullheart]

phaeston with a turian soldier works fine

[Atheosis]

realgundam wrote...

Let's put it this way,

Phaeston is under-rated by most and over rated by some. You will be the later.

Phaeston is a decent weapon, it's very rounded out and have good stopping power. The stopping power is probably the only thing going for it over Temples, as Temples out preform Phaeston in every other way in the hands of a good player that can control a weapon well.
Being a AR, Phaeston has access to armor piercing, which is what Temples lack. This means you do not need to wear a side arm with Phaeston, where as you need an Anti armor weapon with Temples.

So why is it under rated by most? becuase most ppl do not know how to aim for the head, which is what is required to shin as an AR user. So most ppl have bad experience pting with ppl using Phaeston.

Also, wearing a side arm with Phaeston is a bad idea, for the reason above. You are just grimming your cool down. Most AR are already very rounded so you only need to bring 1 weapon. This is probably the reason why you got kicked. I often use Phaeston with no problem

My score with Phaeston is often the top 2, or in case all 4 players have similar marks. It all depence on how you use it.

That said, it really is a Turian weapon. if you are a human soldier, I'd suggest using Vinc or Mott

Err...Temples?

Oh and I aim for the head with all guns that benefit from it, and the Phaeston still sucks.  Probably because I aim for the head with the better guns as well...

[Cenwolf]

Cut n paste all the dps numbers you want, but using turian soldier and unloading a Phaeston clip with AP mod+inferno ammo through guardians shields and into their faces is the most fun I have in this game.

[Atheosis]

Lybra wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Lybra wrote...

Someone had mentioned something in a similar thread that nobody took seriously:

For some reason, the Phaeston works admirably when firing *bursts*. Try something between 5-10 rounds and it can diss out tons more damage than just spraying the target top to bottom. I love the weapon, and even though I can't say it's top choice (especially for gold matches), bursts from the Phaeston work a lot better.

Burst fire with a gun that does piddly damage even in full auto?  Yeah okay...

I'm saying, it works better in bursts than it does when hosing a target continuously.  I'm uncertain why it is so, but I've tried it numerous times and it seems to be the case. 
You could correct me in this, however you seem to know better already...

I'm going to guess it's because you can land more headshots with it, but if you are using it as a burst fire gun, the Vindicator is a hundred times better.

[FFLB]

Phaeston X is viable on gold depending upon what sort of character you use it with. I pair it with power-heavy classes that rely on their powers to take out enemies rather than relying on the gun to do so. It's good for keeping up pressure before unleashing your actual weapon. Could I have done better with another weapon? Probably, but if you're looking for a weapon that will fit with your build, the Phaeston could be just that.

Modifié par FFLB, 05 avril 2012 - 11:45 .

[AsheraII]

The Phaeston is definitely better than the Avenger: less recoil, slightly higher damage per bullet, way higher fire rate. Just a bit heavier.
The Revenant is slightly better than the Phaeston again with a slightly higher damage per bullet, but at the cost of even more weaight and a heavier recoil.

For a full-automatic, I'd personally actually prefer the Phaeston over the Revenant because of the lower recoil and higher accuracy.

Semi-automatics are simply a different type of weapons. They're also called assault rifles, but they work differently. So to me, there's little point to making comparisons.
Same with the three-round burst Vindicator. It works different, so there's no comparison to me. There's no point comparing them even.

The only thing that's an issue I think, is that AR's overall aren't too great for silver/gold games. They're just not ideal against armored enemies. Snipers, biotics and tech are simply way better against armor than even an AR with an AP mod is. Armor is really the weakness of ARs, and there's lots of armor running around on silver and gold games.

[spacehamsterZH]

The Phaeston is basically the Revenant Lite. Not quite as powerful, but also a heck of a lot easier to handle. I like it just fine and dandy.

[Sabresandiego]

Phaeston is one of the worst weapons in the game.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 06 avril 2012 - 12:03 .

[swjobson]

You don't need the stability mod or extended mag on a human soldier. The ap and barrel mods make it useable on armored enemies, and firing from cover gives both an accuracy and recoil bonus that makes most automatic weapons useable at range.

Still need ammo power, though. I recommend warp because it adds even more armor bypass (25/35/50%) but most people think it's trash and use ap ammo already.

[realgundam]

Atheosis wrote...

realgundam wrote...

Let's put it this way,

Phaeston is under-rated by most and over rated by some. You will be the later.

Phaeston is a decent weapon, it's very rounded out and have good stopping power. The stopping power is probably the only thing going for it over Temples, as Temples out preform Phaeston in every other way in the hands of a good player that can control a weapon well.
Being a AR, Phaeston has access to armor piercing, which is what Temples lack. This means you do not need to wear a side arm with Phaeston, where as you need an Anti armor weapon with Temples.

So why is it under rated by most? becuase most ppl do not know how to aim for the head, which is what is required to shin as an AR user. So most ppl have bad experience pting with ppl using Phaeston.

Also, wearing a side arm with Phaeston is a bad idea, for the reason above. You are just grimming your cool down. Most AR are already very rounded so you only need to bring 1 weapon. This is probably the reason why you got kicked. I often use Phaeston with no problem

My score with Phaeston is often the top 2, or in case all 4 players have similar marks. It all depence on how you use it.

That said, it really is a Turian weapon. if you are a human soldier, I'd suggest using Vinc or Mott

Err...Temples?

Oh and I aim for the head with all guns that benefit from it, and the Phaeston still sucks.  Probably because I aim for the head with the better guns as well...

SMG

Full auto fire weapon is best used on Turian only. much more effective that way, very easly HS at long range consistently even in full auto result in effective dps.
If you can't drop a Murada on Gold within seconds with Phaeston on a Turian, you are doing something wrong

Of couse, again not to say it is the best weapon. It is just decent. If you are good with Geth Shotgun, I'd go for that

Modifié par realgundam, 06 avril 2012 - 12:17 .

[HEEGZ]

I main a Turian sentinel and I only equip a Phaeston X with armor piercing and damage mods. I use it to mop up enemies and stagger them. Aim for the head and 191% recharge speed. I routinely score over 100k on Gold and have no issues with the gun whatsoever. It is very easy to get headshots at medium range which is where this gun shines, also, the stagger at close range on gold helps a ton. The ammo count at 50 is just right to fit in two long firing sessions between Overload shots. Launch a rank 6 warp on the armored bad guys and do visible damage with the Phaeston in between warp shots.

Granted there are semi automatic weapons that do more damage, but I don't enjoy spamming the trigger. I think most people should try a Phaeston X on a Turian sentinel before dismissing it completely. It's a perfect fit, though admittedly not well suited for most classes and builds.

[edit]
Forgot to mention that I equip disruptor ammo for gold Geth runs and it's pretty amazing synergy with Overload and Energy Drain. Tech bursts are even more awesome now after their recent buff.

Modifié par HEEGZ, 06 avril 2012 - 12:19 .