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[Atheosis]

kingsims wrote...

Acutally its better than the geth pulse rifle and the arc pistol which are both gold rare guns.

This is less an endorsement of the Phaeston than a recrimination of the Arc Pistol and GPR.

[FFLB]

Maria Caliban wrote...

But it's not as good as other silver weapons.

I'm not comparing it to gold or black. I'm comparing it to the Phalanx, Mattock, and Vindicator. Heck, I'm comparing it to the Avenger.

Damage-wise, it doesn't compare favorably with those guns, but those guns aren't as effective when it comes to suppressive fire, due to either a low clip size or rate of fire. Also, I've found the Vindicator to be less effective at longer ranges, on non-turians or without a stability module, while the Phaeston can still reliably hit targets further out. Ah, and the Avenger... the Phaeston is much more accurate with a tighter cone of fire in contrast to the Avenger's wider cone. It is terrible at a low level when compared to an Avenger X, due to the weight and comparably low damage, but when it's also at X, it becomes a more versatile weapon. As others have said, it's not the best gun in any category, but it has its niche.

Also, you've gotta love it aesthetically. All of those angles rather than the curvy Avenger... hm... I guess it may require a Turian sensibility... or the human equivalent. Whatever that would be.

Modifié par FFLB, 06 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Ediblestarfish]

I find it a bit incredulous that people are actually using this on Gold. The armor mod in Silver is -30, but it jumps to -50 in Gold, so that even with ammo and rail amps, it's still a pretty miserable experience when you can barely survive popping 2-3 seconds out of cover to use it, unless you're only using it as a supplement to your powers.

If it's your main source of damage, I don't know what to say. A Mattock does about twice the damage if you spam it as fast as you can. Even if you only get about half the rate of fire of maximum, you're still on even ground, and still doing better against armor.

[FFLB]

Since I usually switch between characters every few matches or so, I don't actually get to my characters that are using this weapon, Turian soldier and BF3 soldier with Carnage spam. Most recently when I used my BF3 soldier on gold, I managed to take second behind the sole biotic exploder. I would need to play more matches with this setup in order to get a better idea of how it does when side-by-side with the more common setups, and players of varying skill.

[HEEGZ]

Ediblestarfish wrote...

I find it a bit incredulous that people are actually using this on Gold. The armor mod in Silver is -30, but it jumps to -50 in Gold, so that even with ammo and rail amps, it's still a pretty miserable experience when you can barely survive popping 2-3 seconds out of cover to use it, unless you're only using it as a supplement to your powers.

If it's your main source of damage, I don't know what to say. A Mattock does about twice the damage if you spam it as fast as you can. Even if you only get about half the rate of fire of maximum, you're still on even ground, and still doing better against armor.

I know it doesn't look good on paper. Try a Phaeston X with AP mod and dmg mod on Gold with a Turien Sentinel. I frequently beat Gold in the top spot with over 100k. Most of my points come from overload, tech bursts, and warp. However, I usually get the medal for 25 or 50 assault rifle kills, because I can quickly mop up enemies with the gun. This happens with or without equipment. Typically, if I take no ammo buff, I get the 25 AR kill medal. If I take disruptor ammo, I get 50 AR kills and always over 100k in points. It is just a well rounded gun, and the last Gold match I played I got plenty of Geth Prime kills alternating between warp and Phaeston.

I've gotten so good with it on my Turian Sentinel that I now use this gun on my Human Engineers instead of a pistol and I can easily place over 100k on Gold and win most matches. I definitely am not held back by this gun whatsoever, give it a shot.

[roekenny]

It's like any gun in the game it fits a perfect niche as it's throws 35 ish damage per round and it throws a lot of rounds a second and can quite easily aim most of them into someone's face for the Multiplier to ruin their day. As if take how easy it is to head shot with the Phaeston compared to its cousin the Revenant then it does more DPS but only if head shot 90% of the rounds so skill is required.

Yes the Mattock and the Vindicator have better damage and do the job better for a slightly lower ROF and in most cases they are clearly the better, but the Phaeston has that little niche what is the Turians soldier as they can hit marksman and boost the ROF what tip the scales to the Phaeston favour as the burst mode and semi automatic AR can't utilise it to it's full potential. Still to each his own, as I think it's not bad prefer it to the Revenant as I like my head shots and ability to draw in a crowd to combo.

[Ediblestarfish]

HEEGZ wrote...

I know it doesn't look good on paper. Try a Phaeston X with AP mod and dmg mod on Gold with a Turien Sentinel. I frequently beat Gold in the top spot with over 100k. Most of my points come from overload, tech bursts, and warp. However, I usually get the medal for 25 or 50 assault rifle kills, because I can quickly mop up enemies with the gun. This happens with or without equipment. Typically, if I take no ammo buff, I get the 25 AR kill medal. If I take disruptor ammo, I get 50 AR kills and always over 100k in points. It is just a well rounded gun, and the last Gold match I played I got plenty of Geth Prime kills alternating between warp and Phaeston.

I've gotten so good with it on my Turian Sentinel that I now use this gun on my Human Engineers instead of a pistol and I can easily place over 100k on Gold and win most matches. I definitely am not held back by this gun whatsoever, give it a shot.

Just tried it a little while ago.  Whatever I can do with the Phaeston, I can do with the Mattock better.  I use them very similarly, but the Mattock does the job faster.  Only ceavat is the small ammo ammount on the Mattock, which really pushes you to use the extended clip instead of a damage boost.

I mean sure, I can be a little lazier with fire control with all the extra ammo on the Phaeston, but even with headshots streaming in, it still takes quite a bit of extra time to kill things.  It doesn't really make much sense to me to take the Phaeston when I'm so comfortable with the Mattock.  Considering they weigh the same, there's really no incentive on my end.

[Currylaksa]

Phaeston X has the ideal damage/weight ratio for a Sentinel or a mine-based Turian Soldier.

[Sabresandiego]

Phaeston is one of the worst guns in the game.

[elessarz]

You know, an upgraded Tempest is actually more effective than a Phaeston, especially on Turians, doubly so on Turian Soldiers. It's still my favorite assault rifle, though I wouldn't use it at all if I weren't opposed to the continual click spam of the Mattock & co. On any non power spamming class I basically use the Valiant and some other weapon, usually the Tempest or a shotgun. You just do so much more damage that much more quickly.

[Sacramentum]

phaeston

[Sabresandiego]

The only place a phaeston is moderately useful is on a turian soldier, in which case a revenant, hurricane, or hornet would be a better choice. Phaeston is a garbage gun.

You can use it and do alright on any class, but thats true with any weapon (thanks to power usage).

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 07 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[robertm2]

it look cool and sounds cool but weighs too much for the amount of damage it deals. most AR's dont do much damage so i usually avoid them except for the revenant on krogans and turians.

[Tai MT]

I actually like the Phaeston for bigger targets like Banshees and the like. Pop a Warp and then empty the clip. You're guaranteed to drop AT LEAST four bars of their health on Bronze and about three on Silver. Meanwhile most sniper rifles or semi-auto guns spend more time reloading than putting bullets downrange on this big beasties. It's quite funny to see three sniper rounds go into an enemy and drain maybe a single bar in the same amount of time I put my whole clip down range and drain three or four.

The Phaeston has it's niche to occupy. Just saying.

[TheGreenAlloy]

 Everything goes down too slow.

[Leones Maneres]

Adonijah wrote...

One of the prime arguments against the Phaeston, at least in my opinion, is the fact that it is uncommon.  If you have the two weapons at equal levels (say, X), then Avenger is going to outperform the Phaeston at range.  With the Turian Soldier or Sentinel, the Phaeston performs better due to the Turian's "Turian Veteran" passive providing a good chunk of stability.

So in my opinion/experience, use Phaeston if:
-Playing Turian Soldier or Turian Sentinel
-You chose 1+ Damage and Stability from Turian Veteran
-Phaeston's Weapon Level >= Avenger Weapon Level

Otherwise, use the Avenger.  If you don't have Avenger X, stop being a putz and buy a dozen or so Recruit packs.  Most of the starter weapons are EXCELLENT and really cheap to obtain.

Agreed.  I have tried both the Phaeston X and Avenger X - and for reload speed and killing at a distance (not to mention the ability to stun the target) the Avenger works way better - more headshot kills. 

I've tried most of the common and uncommon ARs - the Revenant is the most fun to shoot (by far!), but too heavy for most char builds, other than Krogan Soldier/Sentinel.  For my other chars, definitely prefer the Avenger.  It's so light, it can be used in place of an SMG for most builds, and has that super fast reload speed.

[X_Bacon]

realgundam wrote...

Let's put it this way,

Phaeston is under-rated by most and over rated by some. You will be the later.

Phaeston is a decent weapon, it's very rounded out and have good stopping power. The stopping power is probably the only thing going for it over Temples, as Temples out preform Phaeston in every other way in the hands of a good player that can control a weapon well.
Being a AR, Phaeston has access to armor piercing, which is what Temples lack. This means you do not need to wear a side arm with Phaeston, where as you need an Anti armor weapon with Temples.

So why is it under rated by most? becuase most ppl do not know how to aim for the head, which is what is required to shin as an AR user. So most ppl have bad experience pting with ppl using Phaeston.

Also, wearing a side arm with Phaeston is a bad idea, for the reason above. You are just grimming your cool down. Most AR are already very rounded so you only need to bring 1 weapon. This is probably the reason why you got kicked. I often use Phaeston with no problem

My score with Phaeston is often the top 2, or in case all 4 players have similar marks. It all depence on how you use it.

That said, it really is a Turian weapon. if you are a human soldier, I'd suggest using Vinc or Mott

Temples... is this some gun's nickname I'm not aware of?

[akula51]

The Phaeston X excels at getting a ton of special ammo downrange very quickly. If I'm not rocking a GPS, I'm usually carrying a Phaeston...but then again, I mainly play support/caster classes, and it's light enough to get some great cooldown percentages...while still maintaining a huge clip size and AP mods.

[TheBigLebowski]

Awful weapon, feels like you are shooting nails or something.

[Mazandus]

wolfstanus wrote...

People unlock low level gun apply low level to no mods or not the right one. Go on gold... then decides it sucks.

Or, people get Geth Plasma Shotgun level 1, shoot it at Gold level enemies, see those enemies die, and say "**** this ****." I'm not playing 5000 silver matches to upgrade an Uncommon gun to X with all of its mods to V via a RNG store to appease some forum ace.

Or, people unlock Asari Adept, get to level 18, 20, 16, whatever, go on Gold, obliterate everything and laugh at forum ace's implication that gear must be upgraded via hardwork before Gold should even be attempted.

The philosophy that  weapons need to be maxed out to be useful assets on Gold is flawed.  Several weapons and classes excel on Gold as soon as they are unlocked. Several weapons and classes are trash on Gold even at level X.


Most of us don't like being hit on the head with the fact we are just rats in a maze pushing a button for food. We like the illusion that the maze is a unique and fun experience and our pushing the button is somehow meaningful. The terrible weapon balance in this game shatters that illusion. A new player can get a Black Widow in their first Spectre pack and breeze through their time with ME3 MP without a care in the world. Another new player can get Krogan Soldier 6 times along with rank V ultralight materials and a Locust X and, despite having a high N7 rating and having played Silver matches till their eyes have bled, that player will get kicked out of Gold lobbies, and rightly so, because their weapon is a piece of steaming ****, no matter what level it is.

[RogenTAU]

Phaestran is not bad weapon, it is more of a support weapon (i use it on turian sentinel), it need right upgrades (axtra damage and AP mod), to increase damage,and decrease armor reduction. It is quite light after the patch, and it even got upgraded damage again.
It is best used as ammo effect delivery system for caster classes it is nice to get tech explosions with overload, as you can control how much damage you apply to target, before triggering overload.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Well, as of today its a little bit better - I noticed normals went down a little bit faster and lo and behold when I checked the forum the AR's got a little boost. I pick it over the Avenger, as the accuracy is better and everyone used the avenger at first, wheras my first unlock was my phaeston.