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[Tiax Rules All]

Lenimph wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ya, they didnt say "stop talking about It" but the way PR works is, they tell you more then what they will give. If they had extra gameplay included, you can be sure they would have said extra gameplay included. They said extra cinematics, which can be interpreted as pretty much " we will show some Krogans kicking ass in the end and maybe some explaination on what happend to the fleet"

I still don't see how IT theory couldn't be confirmed without gameplay and just a cutscene.   

because IT would mean that Shepard has not won, and the fight is still going on

[SaladinDheonqar]

Never really took to the indoc theory myself, but don't beat yourself up about it. All you're guilty of is belief that Bioware didn't colossally screw things up.

[shepskisaac]

Humakt83 wrote...

IT is not his creation. IT mostly sprung up into existence because of all the in-game elements given in all three games in the trilogy. He was far from the first to connect the dots, though he did give a lot of effort to explain it to some people which should be applauded.

So yeah, IT IS Bioware's creation. People just do not want to see it.

IT sprung from desperation and the fact there IS an indoctrination scene in the game's end - the TIM scene. But the desire to have the endings not suck made people stretch the indoctrination onto other parts of the endings.

[Irishkev]

The IT theroy was good and it is a shame that you came up with a better ending than people that got paid to write this ending we got.

I still am shocked they are using the art defence it just screams PRIDE we won't admit fault we are bioware we are the best

[Noirinsoleil]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

People told me I wouldn't be able to admit when Bioware told me IT was not true and asked if I would apologise..

So here it is.
I'm sorry I pushed indoctrination theory.
I'm sorry for the false hope I may have gave to you.
I'm sorry for when I portrayed IT as truth and not theory.
I'm sorry for implying that people who could not see it were confused
I'm sorry for saying you were wrong for thinking bad writing was the problem (turns out it is)

So there. To all of those who got confort from thinking IT would solve thier confusion, i'm sorry for letting you down and plopping you back into the same pit of sorrow you came from, now with even more dissapointment.

I originally wanted to say sorry to Bioware, but they will never get that response now.

EDIT ADD:
I may not have been the first, but I was here from the start of it and was one of the major supporters of it. Not trying to claim that all the creativity behind it was from me. Many conributed to its great ideas.

I don't think you need to apologize for coming up with a theory.  I will accept the part about pushing the theory as truth and claiming people were confused if they didn't like your theory.  You were invested in the theory, your reaction isn't that surprising, but claiming it was fact before Bioware confirmed... well.

I really takes a big person to admit you were wrong like this, kudos.

[Lenimph]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ya, they didnt say "stop talking about It" but the way PR works is, they tell you more then what they will give. If they had extra gameplay included, you can be sure they would have said extra gameplay included. They said extra cinematics, which can be interpreted as pretty much " we will show some Krogans kicking ass in the end and maybe some explaination on what happend to the fleet"

I still don't see how IT theory couldn't be confirmed without gameplay and just a cutscene.   

because IT would mean that Shepard has not won, and the fight is still going on

And there's something stating somewhere that it's Shepard who has to end the fight? That it has to be done with a giant boss battle and not a cutscene? 

[Humakt83]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Its the not adding gameplay that sealed it. IT didnt have to "change" anything but without a little bit of gameplay added it cannot be given any justice. This will be a very brief and very free "let us spell it out for you" conclusion.

Believe me I wish it was otherwise.

Explaining the ending with indoctrination via cutsenes isn't impossible or even hard.

Sure, I too hoped for additional gameplay but then again I never really was that discontent with the ending because I did perceive Shepard was being tricked.

And who knows we might still get additional gameplay. Remember how Aria T'Loak stated that she will retake Omega after she helps Shepard retake Earth? Omega DLC. Alpha and Omega.

Modifié par Humakt83, 06 avril 2012 - 12:57 .

[Aaleel]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ya, they didnt say "stop talking about It" but the way PR works is, they tell you more then what they will give. If they had extra gameplay included, you can be sure they would have said extra gameplay included. They said extra cinematics, which can be interpreted as pretty much " we will show some Krogans kicking ass in the end and maybe some explaination on what happend to the fleet"

I still don't see how IT theory couldn't be confirmed without gameplay and just a cutscene.   

because IT would mean that Shepard has not won, and the fight is still going on

OK, this was how I took it.  I thought the IT meant that everything that we saw after Shepard got hit by the beam didn't really happen, and if he broke the attempt he went on in the fight.  If I'm wrong please correct me.

[Caz Tirin]

Persephone wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I still haven't actually seen it explained how today's announcement did anything but rain on the parade of those who screamed "Hold the Line!" and asked for completely redone endings.

In regards to everything else, it's neutral - especially when we know nothing about this "Extended Cut" other than that it's adding new cinematics, which (believe it or not) doesn't preclude additional gameplay.

Precisely this.

"No added gameplay" is not confirmed. Jessica Merizan even DENIED it on her Twitter.

It wouldn't take MONTHS to make some cutscenes & epilogues. Have a little faith.

Straight from the FAQ:

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?

For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer
extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to
the conclusion of Commander Shepard’s journey.

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.



What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?


BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating
additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending
sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity
and closure to Mass Effect 3.

Cinematics is all that's mentioned.  Nothing about additional gameplay.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

People told me I wouldn't be able to admit when Bioware told me IT was not true and asked if I would apologise..

So here it is.
I'm sorry I pushed indoctrination theory.
I'm sorry for the false hope I may have gave to you.
I'm sorry for when I portrayed IT as truth and not theory.
I'm sorry for implying that people who could not see it were confused
I'm sorry for saying you were wrong for thinking bad writing was the problem (turns out it is)

So there. To all of those who got confort from thinking IT would solve thier confusion, i'm sorry for letting you down and plopping you back into the same pit of sorrow you came from, now with even more dissapointment.

I originally wanted to say sorry to Bioware, but they will never get that response now.

EDIT ADD:
I may not have been the first, but I was here from the start of it and was one of the major supporters of it. Not trying to claim that all the creativity behind it was from me. Many conributed to its great ideas.

It's okay. When I'm 90 we'll finally get the true report about the Kennedy Assassination.

[balance5050]

Humakt83 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Its the not adding gameplay that sealed it. IT didnt have to "change" anything but without a little bit of gameplay added it cannot be given any justice. This will be a very brief and very free "let us spell it out for you" conclusion.

Believe me I wish it was otherwise.

Explaining the ending with indoctrination via cutsenes isn't impossible or even hard.

Sure, I too hoped for additional gameplay but then again I never really was that discontent with the ending because I did perceive Shepard was being tricked.

And who knows we might still get additional gameplay. Remember how Aria T'Loak stated that she will retake Omega after she helps Shepard retake Earth? Omega DLC. Alpha and Omega.

[Lmaoboat]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

People told me I wouldn't be able to admit when Bioware told me IT was not true and asked if I would apologise..

So here it is.
I'm sorry I pushed indoctrination theory.
I'm sorry for the false hope I may have gave to you.
I'm sorry for when I portrayed IT as truth and not theory.
I'm sorry for implying that people who could not see it were confused
I'm sorry for saying you were wrong for thinking bad writing was the problem (turns out it is)

So there. To all of those who got confort from thinking IT would solve thier confusion, i'm sorry for letting you down and plopping you back into the same pit of sorrow you came from, now with even more dissapointment.

I originally wanted to say sorry to Bioware, but they will never get that response now.

EDIT ADD:
I may not have been the first, but I was here from the start of it and was one of the major supporters of it. Not trying to claim that all the creativity behind it was from me. Many conributed to its great ideas.

Being right didn't make me as happy as I thought it would.

[shadey]

plz stop quoting jessica's twitter as any evidence, she thought the normandy crashed on earth.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ya, they didnt say "stop talking about It" but the way PR works is, they tell you more then what they will give. If they had extra gameplay included, you can be sure they would have said extra gameplay included. They said extra cinematics, which can be interpreted as pretty much " we will show some Krogans kicking ass in the end and maybe some explaination on what happend to the fleet"

I still don't see how IT theory couldn't be confirmed without gameplay and just a cutscene.   

because IT would mean that Shepard has not won, and the fight is still going on

What gameplay is even needed? He gets up after getting hit by the beam, goes into the citadel to push the kill reapers button.

[Shiran]

shadey wrote...

plz stop quoting jessica's twitter as any evidence, she thought the normandy crashed on earth.

Couldn't be. If you do destroy or control ending with low PMS all life on Earth is destroyed. But hey, it's about as logical as thinking that ending was "fake"

[GeoFukari]

I was always on the fence with IT. It was a love-hate relationship. I thought it was mad. But mad in a brilliant way. But still mad. Yet now I'm mad.

And now I want to see Bioware squirm out of the mess they just crawled themselves into. The line must be held, they might think they won, but we will fight.

[Disnaster]

Additional cinematics and epilogue scenes. I do not see the words "no gameplay." Granted, I don't see the word "gameplay" at all, but what do epilogue scenes entail? Do you know, and can you even surmise from the somewhat cryptic post from Bioware, that these scenes won't entail gameplay of some sort and that, perhaps, maybe IT might prove to be true?

I don't see anything in the announcement that leads to all the conclusions people are reaching here. Perhaps it's because everyone here really dislikes the words "artistic vision," and seeing those set them off?

I am clearly a fan of Bioware. I didn't hate the ending, as I really expected my Shepherd to die in that final battle, but I really was underwhelmed. If this new DLC can "re-whelm" me, I will be happy.

[Caz Tirin]

Disnaster wrote...

Additional cinematics and epilogue scenes. I do not see the words "no gameplay." Granted, I don't see the word "gameplay" at all, but what do epilogue scenes entail? Do you know, and can you even surmise from the somewhat cryptic post from Bioware, that these scenes won't entail gameplay of some sort and that, perhaps, maybe IT might prove to be true?

I don't see anything in the announcement that leads to all the conclusions people are reaching here. Perhaps it's because everyone here really dislikes the words "artistic vision," and seeing those set them off?

I am clearly a fan of Bioware. I didn't hate the ending, as I really expected my Shepherd to die in that final battle, but I really was underwhelmed. If this new DLC can "re-whelm" me, I will be happy.

If there was going to be additional game play, they would have said so.  Can you think of any (sane, sensible) reason to leave such an important detail out of the FAQ?

[Dendio1]

IT still continues to make more sense than the current endings. Why has bioware not flat out denied IT? Its not as if they could be ignoring it all together, even forbes did a critque around it.

Is bioware always this cryptic and tightlipped about their products?

Modifié par Dendio1, 06 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[Ashilana]

shadey wrote...

plz stop quoting jessica's twitter as any evidence, she thought the normandy crashed on earth.

Good times, good times.

[shadey]

well considering you die in 2 choices, then gameplay isn't an option to add.

[Aaleel]

Disnaster wrote...

Additional cinematics and epilogue scenes. I do not see the words "no gameplay." Granted, I don't see the word "gameplay" at all, but what do epilogue scenes entail? Do you know, and can you even surmise from the somewhat cryptic post from Bioware, that these scenes won't entail gameplay of some sort and that, perhaps, maybe IT might prove to be true?

I don't see anything in the announcement that leads to all the conclusions people are reaching here. Perhaps it's because everyone here really dislikes the words "artistic vision," and seeing those set them off?

I am clearly a fan of Bioware. I didn't hate the ending, as I really expected my Shepherd to die in that final battle, but I really was underwhelmed. If this new DLC can "re-whelm" me, I will be happy.

Epilogue means after the game is over.  After you've either defeated the reapers, or were defeated by the reapers due to lack of military strength.  What would be the need to have gameplay at this point? 

[hardermob5]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

People told me I wouldn't be able to admit when Bioware told me IT was not true and asked if I would apologise..

So here it is.
I'm sorry I pushed indoctrination theory.
I'm sorry for the false hope I may have gave to you.
I'm sorry for when I portrayed IT as truth and not theory.
I'm sorry for implying that people who could not see it were confused
I'm sorry for saying you were wrong for thinking bad writing was the problem (turns out it is)

So there. To all of those who got confort from thinking IT would solve thier confusion, i'm sorry for letting you down and plopping you back into the same pit of sorrow you came from, now with even more dissapointment.

I originally wanted to say sorry to Bioware, but they will never get that response now.

EDIT ADD:
I may not have been the first, but I was here from the start of it and was one of the major supporters of it. Not trying to claim that all the creativity behind it was from me. Many conributed to its great ideas.

You've got way more humility than Bioware.  I really liked indoctrination theory.  It was the *only* theory that 1) made sense and 2) if true, would mean that the folks at Bioware were truly crazy, eccentric geniuses.   Sadly, it's
not true. 

IT made so much sense, I really thought it must be the truth for a while... I was like, OMG... I totally F'd up by not choosing Destroy!  Thank you... no need to be sorry, it was an awesome theory... much MUCH better than the apparent dismal reality of the ending.

[phat0817]

There's no reason for you to be sorry

[Reth Shepherd]

You have nothing to apologize for. Even if it turned out not to be canon-true, IT gave us comfort in a dark time and lives in on many, MANY head-canons (including mine). It was also one of the ideas behind the unparalleled Marauder Shields comic.