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[leapingmonkeys]

That was very mature and gracious. Bioware could learn a great deal from you.

[HurricaneGinger]

Don't be sorry. You have NOTHING to be sorry about. It is not your fault BioWare took the easy way out.

*hugs*

[Humakt83]

IT is not his creation. IT mostly sprung up into existence because of all the in-game elements given in all three games in the trilogy. He was far from the first to connect the dots, though he did give a lot of effort to explain it to some people which should be applauded.

So yeah, IT IS Bioware's creation. People just do not want to see it.

Modifié par Humakt83, 06 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[ShadowOptik]

paynesgrey wrote...

You meant well, and it's not your fault Bioware just isn't willing to spend the money to complete the game with an ending worthy of the franchise.

I agree, they would much rather make a whole new game and charge for that one. With teh real ENDING...

[fle6isnow]

All glory to the hypnotoad!

But no, seriously, don't apologize. It was one of the more interesting interpretations of the ending.

[AtlasMickey]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Lol, BioWare had already told you indoc was wrong.

Sources. Use them. Never did BioWare say anything of the sort. They've merely been talking much and saying little.

The epilogue is a storyteller's comment. In it they explicitly answer the question, "did that all really happen?" with "yes... it all happened." If you have subtitles turned on, it's literally spelled out for you.

Vexia2070 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Lol, BioWare had already told you indoc was wrong.

Untile they POST HERE IN THIS FORUM BioWare has said nothing Of relevence to anyone.

So the epilogue is irrelevant? One might think that, since it's actually part of the game, it might even be more relevant than what's said in the forum. Maybe lots more relevant. Maybe that's why they haven't bothered to say as much in the forum? May. Be.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 06 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[rebo_tfc]

Respect Tiax for stating this!

Modifié par rebo_tfc, 06 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[Rip504]

I laugh at your sorrow and pain..
Then walk away in shame...
Feeling the same...
I was never a fan of IT.

[AtlasMickey]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

You gave people hope...
And frankly your ending is better.

Is the banner in your signature there by mistake?

[Montana]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Don't be sorry bro.....it was Genius compared to what we got....dead serious....don't apologize to anybody

Agreed

It was a fantastic theory, even if I never believed in it.

Edit: I may have been hoping for it to be true, but never fully believed in it.

Modifié par Tony77A, 06 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[Aaleel]

ForceXev wrote...


They never said they are not adding gameplay.  They said cutscenes and epilogue scenes.  People are automatically assuming "epilogue" means text only because that's what Dragon Age did, but this is not the Dragon Age development team.  I don't think the ME3 team would want to just go copy something that the Dragon Age team did.  Epilogue can very well be an episode of gameplay, dialogue scenes, whatever.  (Jessica Merizan seems to deny that there is no gameplay, for whatever that's worth)

They may have had something ready to go for DLC but after the response decided it's not going to cut it anymore.  Or they may have planned to leave the ending open to interpretation and theories.  Or they had a full DLC ready with a whole new story, and now want to separate out the ending stuff from the new story stuff so they can still sell the new stuff as a paid DLC.  Lots of possibilities, we really don't know anything because they haven't told us very much.  People are just making HUGE assumptions based on almost nothing, including the assumption that IT is out of the picture.

Epliogue by definition means after the ending.  For the IT to be true, there would need to be some gameplay between when you break the indoctrination attempt and the actual end of the game.  Gameplay after you defeat or don't defeat the reapers would accomplish what exactly?

[shadey]

wow are people still clinging to the idea of bioware shoving in IT into this dlc.

it's an EPILOGUE, it's just going to clarify the ending as is, indoc theory would change the whole game not only the ending.

There was never indoc. theory. , they said they aren't changing the end

[Lenimph]

Humakt83 wrote...

IT is not his creation. IT mostly sprung up into existence because of all the in-game elements given in all three games in the trilogy. He was far from the first to connect the dots, though he did give a lot of effort to explain it to some people which should be aplauded.

So yeah, IT IS Bioware's creation. People just do not want to see it.

This 

I mean people thought of the kid being a first stage of indoctrination... what... almost a year ago before the game even came out? 

[Johcande XX]

I don't think that anyone is going to be happy saying "I told you it was just a terrible ending!", and inversely, most would have been ok had IT worked out.

IT was far too intricate and broad, it was something that had to have been in canon since the beginning. Hudson and Walters didn't put that much thought into it.

[Wrathra]

You had some really good arguments, and your posts were interesting reads. You don't have anything to apologize for, as far as I'm concerned.

[VikingDream]

even if you polish a turd it is still a turd just like the endings BW gave ME3 nothing will change how much of turd they made you just tried to polish it.

[Tiax Rules All]

Humakt83 wrote...

IT is not his creation. IT mostly sprung up into existence because of all the in-game elements given in all three games in the trilogy. He was far from the first to connect the dots, though he did give a lot of effort to explain it to some people which should be applauded.

So yeah, IT IS Bioware's creation. People just do not want to see it.

You are right. but they are not actually using it. It may have been started by Bioware but never finished by them.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 06 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[Humakt83]

shadey wrote...

wow are people still clinging to the idea of bioware shoving in IT into this dlc.

it's an EPILOGUE, it's just going to clarify the ending as is, indoc theory would change the whole game not only the ending.

There was never indoc. theory. , they said they aren't changing the end

False. Indoctrination changes how you perceive the game. It never required anything more than an extension to the ending. Extension we are getting.

[AtlasMickey]

Oh yuck. Gotta get out of this thread...

I'll say one positive thing about IT, though. That one video was very well-edited. It clearly took a lot of time, thought, and patience to make. It even had a sensible artistic eye. I've edited plenty of video before and I'm definitely envious of the talent and skill that went into making it.

What it had to say, though, stunk worse than my socks lol.

[Tiax Rules All]

Humakt83 wrote...

shadey wrote...

wow are people still clinging to the idea of bioware shoving in IT into this dlc.

it's an EPILOGUE, it's just going to clarify the ending as is, indoc theory would change the whole game not only the ending.

There was never indoc. theory. , they said they aren't changing the end

False. Indoctrination changes how you perceive the game. It never required anything more than an extension to the ending. Extension we are getting.

Its the not adding gameplay that sealed it. IT didnt have to "change" anything but without a little bit of gameplay added it cannot be given any justice. This will be a very brief and very free "let us spell it out for you" conclusion.

Believe me I wish it was otherwise.

[goose2989]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Don't be sorry bro.....it was Genius compared to what we got....dead serious....don't apologize to anybody

Yea, this /\\

Plus, ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

Modifié par goose2989, 06 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[Aaleel]

I can't believe people are still hanging on to this.

SO we're saying that Bioware planned this from the start, left all these clues, but now needs a few months to flesh it all out? Really?

[Gmandam]

Your honesty in saying sorry does you so very much credit OP. You have proven that not only can you admit to being wrong but that you go out and apologize for any damage you might've caused while pushing IT.

You do your self a lot of credit. You also make bioware look bad.

[TheBlackBaron]

I still haven't actually seen it explained how today's announcement did anything but rain on the parade of those who screamed "Hold the Line!" and asked for completely redone endings.

In regards to everything else, it's neutral - especially when we know nothing about this "Extended Cut" other than that it's adding new cinematics, which (believe it or not) doesn't preclude additional gameplay.

[Tiax Rules All]

Aaleel wrote...

I can't believe people are still hanging on to this.

SO we're saying that Bioware planned this from the start, left all these clues, but now needs a few months to flesh it all out? Really?

If you percieve this as a pro-IT thread then I think you need to read the OP again. But Bioware did say they had the idea of doing a indoctrination ending as late in developement as november. So I believe the clues were put in though the punchline was left out in the end by Hudson and Walters.