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[RunCDFirst]

Recidiva wrote...
I'm a Dalish elf.  Bring it.

There's nothing wrong with being an elf. Come, the Maker will welcome you into the fold sister. Embrace the love of Andraste and you shall enjoy the everlasting peace that you lost when your fake gods deserted you.

[Recidiva]

RunCDFirst wrote...

There's nothing wrong with being an elf. Come, the Maker will welcome you into the fold sister. Embrace the love of Andraste and you shall enjoy the everlasting peace that you lost when your fake gods deserted you.

Does this work on many people?  Or do you have to get them at a young age, indoctrinate them and drug them in order for it to work?  No need to answer, really.  I simply must state the obvious for you as you are unable to observe the world as She would appear to one who grew up whole and strong.

*plays a riff on the air bow*

[KalosCast]

Recidiva wrote...

RunCDFirst wrote...

There's nothing wrong with being an elf. Come, the Maker will welcome you into the fold sister. Embrace the love of Andraste and you shall enjoy the everlasting peace that you lost when your fake gods deserted you.

Does this work on many people?  Or do you have to get them at a young age, indoctrinate them and drug them in order for it to work?  No need to answer, really.  I simply must state the obvious for you as you are unable to observe the world as She would appear to one who grew up whole and strong.

*plays a riff on the air bow*

Hey! You know that air bow's aren't used for that, they're used to shoot airrows 

[Rhys Cordelle]

I love how you can ask for prayer from the chantry and nothing happens. People who are used to D&D are fully expecting to be showered in buffs

[Recidiva]

KalosCast wrote...
Hey! You know that air bow's aren't used for that, they're used to shoot airrows 

I have a bard specialization.  Excellent!

[RunCDFirst]

Recidiva wrote...
Does this work on many people?  Or do you have to get them at a young age, indoctrinate them and drug them in order for it to work?  No need to answer, really.  I simply must state the obvious for you as you are unable to observe the world as She would appear to one who grew up whole and strong.

*plays a riff on the air bow*

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Skogtroll]

I'd say the dwarven "religion" was the most confusing to me, they have the cast system but no gods, only paragons. mostly atheistic, although one might be able to say the ancestors are divine somehow.. The Chantry is a monotheistic religion (christianity, judaism and islam). The elf, at least the Dalish, are polytheistic of some sort.. The Qunari religion/wayoflife is also confusing but seems to have a hindu/atheistic view. The hindu part is compareable to the Varnashra Dharma in hinduism..



Might be taking the comparisons a bit too seriously, but hey religion is my field of study

[Recidiva]

RunCDFirst wrote...
This is why we can't have nice things.

Well, this is ironic, as it appears in my travels that the Chantry has everyone's nice things. 

[Felene]

Skogtroll wrote...

I'd say the dwarven "religion" was the most confusing to me, they have the cast system but no gods, only paragons. mostly atheistic, although one might be able to say the ancestors are divine somehow.. The Chantry is a monotheistic religion (christianity, judaism and islam). The elf, at least the Dalish, are polytheistic of some sort.. The Qunari religion/wayoflife is also confusing but seems to have a hindu/atheistic view. The hindu part is compareable to the Varnashra Dharma in hinduism..

Might be taking the comparisons a bit too seriously, but hey religion is my field of study

I find dwarven religion very close to chinese ancestor workshipping.

As for the Qunari, I won't consider it a religion, its a strange but effective philosophy.

[RunCDFirst]

Recidiva wrote...

RunCDFirst wrote...
This is why we can't have nice things.

Well, this is ironic, as it appears in my travels that the Chantry has everyone's nice things. 

We don't have the Maker, because you won't take him into your heart.

Besides, how else are we suppose to fund the Chanter's board? I could have sworn I saw you stopping by to take a request.

Modifié par RunCDFirst, 04 décembre 2009 - 01:45 .

[Recidiva]

RunCDFirst wrote...

We don't have the Maker, because you won't take him into your heart.

Besides, how else are we suppose to fund the Chanter's board? I could have sworn I saw you stopping by to take a request.

Several times in fact.  I'm willing to take money from people who are apparently too helpess (despite their divine aspirations) to get something done themselves.  I'm ready to kill them and take their belongings if they start out not with a "please" but with the rougher side of their equally-helpless tongues.  Works either either way for me.  The Chantry robs from the poor and I relieve the Chantry of their ill-gained cash.

I benefit, either way.

Perhaps if the Maker put up a decent offer for my faith and my soul on the board, rather than thin hope and garbled fables, I'd consider it.  But likely not, as my faith and my soul are doing just fine without Him.

Modifié par Recidiva, 04 décembre 2009 - 01:55 .

[RunCDFirst]

Recidiva wrote...
Perhaps if the Maker put up a decent offer for my faith and my soul on the board, rather than thin hope and garbled fables, I'd consider it.  But likely not, as my faith and my soul are doing just fine without Him.

They have fancy clothes. Even Alistair agrees!

[David Gaider]

Felene wrote...
I find dwarven religion very close to chinese ancestor workshipping.

As for the Qunari, I won't consider it a religion, its a strange but effective philosophy.

Yes, dwarves engage in ancestor worship -- which is still religion, if not religion that we can identify with very readily here in the West. Their relationship with the Stone borders on animism, as well.

As for the qunari, I would agree. Their philosophy is the sort that kicks down your door and invades your house, however. Which is several kinds of awesome, but I digress.

[MatronAdena]

I kept waiting for there to be a Jade Empire tip of the hat, and have at least a mention of the water dragon * lol* Though I admit, I spent more time paying attention to the Dwarves and Elves and their theology and less about the " maker" and all that as after the first few introductions into the chantry's lore, I really felt like the PC was being forced into a role of a follower, unless you were an utter douche to everyone about it. Any " I don't share your beliefs, but will be respectful" was a little harder to pull off.

Could be that it reflects a certain western faith we have here, and in that felt like it was shoved into my face any chance it got....



Let me just smile, and nod, then go and sit shikintaza and contemplate my 'non-theistic' philosophy before the dwarf sobers up and starts asking me about his pants.

[Endurium]

Yeah I don't pay much attention to the Chantry either. "Maker" is a title or position, not a name, so he's just as nameless as other gods. He also makes mistakes/lacks wisdom/is impotent, etc. As far as I'm concerned he's not much different from any of the greater gods in the D&D pantheon, except that in Thedas he doesn't have much competition. Therefore if a priest calls me a heathen for refusing to accept a do-nothing blessing, that's their shortcoming, not mine. And I didn't stoop to name-calling either; they reflect poorly on their "Maker".

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

The Chantry robs from the poor and I relieve the Chantry of their ill-gained cash.

It's not robbery when they give willingly, then it's just good sales pitch.

Just ask the war veterans in the alienage.

[Kuravid]

Skogtroll wrote...

I'd say the dwarven "religion" was the most confusing to me, they have the cast system but no gods, only paragons. mostly atheistic, although one might be able to say the ancestors are divine somehow.. The Chantry is a monotheistic religion (christianity, judaism and islam). The elf, at least the Dalish, are polytheistic of some sort.. The Qunari religion/wayoflife is also confusing but seems to have a hindu/atheistic view. The hindu part is compareable to the Varnashra Dharma in hinduism..

Might be taking the comparisons a bit too seriously, but hey religion is my field of study

I suspect that the Qunari are based off of Islam. EDIT: the Qun religion, I mean. 

Modifié par Kuravid, 04 décembre 2009 - 04:56 .

[David Gaider]

Kuravid wrote...
I suspect that the Qunari are based off of Islam.

The qunari inspiration was one part Middle Eastern cultures (at least insofar as how advanced they were compared to much of medieval Europe, certainly qunari philosophy has very little in relation to Islam itself), one part Golden Horde and one part Borg.

Modifié par David Gaider, 04 décembre 2009 - 05:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kuravid wrote...
I suspect that the Qunari are based off of Islam. EDIT: the Qun religion, I mean. 

As a person who has studied Islam, I can say that the Qun has nothing to do with it. Islam has no caste system for instance and is in fact encouraging of social mobility. The Qun religion doesn't seem to have a diety, which is not the case for Islam obviously.
The Qun either convert their enemies, throw them into concentration / prison camps or kill them. The Muslims used to give 3 options, conversion, Jizya tax that would ensure protection, toleration and integration along with military exemption (you would in fact become part of the dhimmi, which means protect people), or death if one wishes to keep resisting.
And, if the Chantry is Christianity, then Islam, as a religion, is not wholly antagonistic to it and even views it as a sister, albeit misguided, religion. The same cannot be said about the Qun and their relationship to the Chantry.

[Silensfurtim]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I love how you can ask for prayer from the chantry and nothing happens. People who are used to D&D are fully expecting to be showered in buffs

hell yeah. in my first playthrough i thought im gonna get party buffs or whatever. but in the end of the damn prayer nothing happens.

screw the chantry! screw the maker!

*runs away*

[Original182]

Silensfurtim wrote...
hell yeah. in my first playthrough i thought im gonna get party buffs or whatever. but in the end of the damn prayer nothing happens.

screw the chantry! screw the maker!

*runs away*

*requests for templars to "handle" a heathen*

[Kuravid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kuravid wrote...
I suspect that the Qunari are based off of Islam. EDIT: the Qun religion, I mean. 

As a person who has studied Islam, I can say that the Qun has nothing to do with it. Islam has no caste system for instance and is in fact encouraging of social mobility. The Qun religion doesn't seem to have a diety, which is not the case for Islam obviously.
The Qun either convert their enemies, throw them into concentration / prison camps or kill them. The Muslims used to give 3 options, conversion, Jizya tax that would ensure protection, toleration and integration along with military exemption (you would in fact become part of the dhimmi, which means protect people), or death if one wishes to keep resisting.
And, if the Chantry is Christianity, then Islam, as a religion, is not wholly antagonistic to it and even views it as a sister, albeit misguided, religion. The same cannot be said about the Qun and their relationship to the Chantry.

Islam is not an appropriate topic for this particular post, being that, it is a sensitive subject that can basically ignite a forum fire.  Having made that clear, I already stated above in this post that I am not entirely familiar with the various religions of Dragon Age, and was simply speculating.

In regards to the Qunari being an advanced culture in what seems like the middle ages, and their eagerness to wage war and convert the non-Qun into Qun, I simply got the impression that the Qunari were somehow inspired by medieval Islamic culture.

[Original182]

From my conversations with Sten, I'm not sure if the Qun believes in a "Maker", whereas Islam does. So that is why I never thought of the Qun as Islam. I just saw it as a way of life for them, rather than a religion.

[Statulos]

If we take a "sort of real world inspiration" to me things are clear: if Tevinter used to be a massive empire now become small, that means Rome-Bizantinian Empire. So if the guys smashing at their doors are the qunari; to me, it sounds like Turks or at least Arabs (exalted marches as crusades) so we could say that qunari are a sort of "Buddhist Turks".

[Statulos]

If we take a "sort of real world inspiration" to me things are clear: if Tevinter used to be a massive empire now become small, that means Rome-Bizantinian Empire. So if the guys smashing at their doors are the qunari; to me, it sounds like Turks or at least Arabs (exalted marches as crusades) so we could say that qunari are a sort of "Buddhist Turks/Arabs".