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[Hibernating]

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

^ This

[Sublyminal]

FemmeShep wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm not making any personal statements here.

But the way I see it, most did not want clarification of the ending. So it's hard for them to feel thankful for something they didn't ask for.

Have you ever been given a really bad gift at Christmas? Like an itchy sweater? Are you thankful to your loved one for getting it...sure. Do you like it? No. So on that level, you aren't truly thankful for it.

Then in my eyes and in the eyes of others, you're ungrateful. Simply put.  As I have stated numerous times, BW didn't have to give us anything period.

Sure, but I'm being honest.  And truth be told, no one is truly grateful for an itchy sweater.

It's the thought that counts but you still hate the gift. Also, you don't pay for your gift, so you shouldn't expect anything. I also think you are missing the part where, BioWare promised certain things about the game, and lied about it. And so, they aren't addressing those complaints (which IMO was the biggest complaint about the endings) - and instead, are just clarifying their ending.

Actually if it was the prospect of getting nothing and getting an itchy sweater, I'd go with the itchy sweater any day of the week. 

[Nigawatts]

If it wasn't free the ****storm on this thread would be so massive that half of us would be banned. And the other half would be buying some ****ty DLC.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

I should be thankful that they are giving us more crap to try and fix their other crap?

The only thing that could have fixed this ending would be to argue that synthetics are not inherently going to destroy organics. But seeing as how the VAs of Shepard have not been called in to do and voice work I don't think that is happening.

[xsdob]

liggy002 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

There is no downside to this really. It costs nothing, adds clarification, and could possible fix the ending that so many people seem to have a problem with. I actually liked the ending but obviously people didnt and they did something about it. FOR FREE! so what if they didnt completely change it get over it its not going to happen. No other company in the world would do something like this so could all the people bashing them for doing something that is unheard of at least reserve judgement until it is released. Or until then get off the forums and take your games back or throw them in the trash. Its not going to happen so just let it go you are just wasting your keyboards vitality. They are not doing any other dlc until this is released which means no extra gameplay no extra multiplayer nothing. And they are doing it for you. How about some gratitude for once on this god forsaken website.

Right... I am thankful that they didn't listen to their fans.  I'm thankful that they cut out Harbinger and aren't going to give me any extra gameplay with him.  Additional cinematics aren't enough and they know it, but it seems that they are too arrogant to see that.  No other company in the world would do that?  Bethesda did it and Bioware isn't half the company they are.  They could at least have the integrity to tell me right off the bat if there is going to be any gameplay.  It doesn't sound like it.  I've wasted my time with these series and I am done wasting my time.

1. you don't know about the gameplay part.
2. fans hated harbinger and wanted him cut because he was too "saturday morning cartoon villian"ish for the fans liking, and why they made the reaper on rannoch more like soverign.

[CPTHughJardon]

im pretty sure alot of people wanted diferent endings.in that way everyones a winner they could charge for it while keeping their "autistic (sorry) artistic integrity",the people who liked the endings could stop acting like internet albert einstein's and the end-haters could stop complaining.everyones happy.to me BW's actions,relations and practices (without going into detail),is why im annoyed with them.so OP exactly what is there to be thankful for?

[Sublyminal]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

I should be thankful that they are giving us more crap to try and fix their other crap?

The only thing that could have fixed this ending would be to argue that synthetics are not inherently going to destroy organics. But seeing as how the VAs of Shepard have not been called in to do and voice work I don't think that is happening.

They will be called in. 

[The Almighty Ali]

I never expected a complete and utter "victory", however if they do manage to clarify the endings so they make more sense then it's better then nothing.

Regardless we've done something remarkable and while the end of the road may be a little more bitter then we had hoped, we can atleast say we gave it our all. We created possibly one of, if not the, most organized movement for a common goal and in the progress we've not only voiced our opinions and got eachothers backs, but we also gave money to charity and created cupcakes.
Give yourself a pat on the shoulder.

As much as some want to downplay this, the fact is that the Gaming Community has taken notice, not just Bioware and EA.

As far as the extended DLC goes, I ain't gonna pass judgement on it until I've tried it, and considering Bioware has done alot more things good then bad, then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[FemmeShep]

Sublyminal wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm not making any personal statements here.

But the way I see it, most did not want clarification of the ending. So it's hard for them to feel thankful for something they didn't ask for.

Have you ever been given a really bad gift at Christmas? Like an itchy sweater? Are you thankful to your loved one for getting it...sure. Do you like it? No. So on that level, you aren't truly thankful for it.

Then in my eyes and in the eyes of others, you're ungrateful. Simply put.  As I have stated numerous times, BW didn't have to give us anything period.

Sure, but I'm being honest.  And truth be told, no one is truly grateful for an itchy sweater.

It's the thought that counts but you still hate the gift. Also, you don't pay for your gift, so you shouldn't expect anything. I also think you are missing the part where, BioWare promised certain things about the game, and lied about it. And so, they aren't addressing those complaints (which IMO was the biggest complaint about the endings) - and instead, are just clarifying their ending.

Actually if it was the prospect of getting nothing and getting an itchy sweater, I'd go with the itchy sweater any day of the week. 

Derp.

Look fellow, it was a joke. But the comparison isn't even the same because like I said, you don't pay for your gifts. You have no reasonable expectation when getting a gift.

Mass Effect 3 is not a gift. You paid for it. You have reasonable expecations. BioWare promised certain things, hell advertised certain things. And lied about it. So the situation isn't the same. So why should you expect fans to be grateful for something they didn't want, and something that ignores their main complaints?

[FemmeShep]

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

True, but I also don't think this is the MAIN feedback fans gave. So it's kind of like, they cherrypicked.

[stalin931]

Shiran wrote...

They don't need to redo anything. It's their work, its their story. You, as consumer, have a right to not buy it, but they abosultely should not kowtow to tyranny of the very vocal minority.

Clarification is perfect, because there are a few questions that do need to be answered, main one being why was Normandy in FTL travel, and where did it crash.

Sure, but what I'm saying is they can't genuinely call it a response to fan feedback, as it wasnt what the majority of people who provided feedback asked for. What this is is essentially a compromise, and who knows it may improve the endings, hell it may even be better than just adding new endings, but I will say that with the amount of plot holes in the ending, they have their work cut out for them. And it may not be enough

[Primalrose]

Raptr569 wrote...

I appreciate the offer from Bioware and look forward to seeing it.

However I'm being cautious as this may not fix my issues with the ending and still doesn't fulfil some of Biowares prerelease promises etc.

Exactly how I feel, really. I will reserve any real judgement until the DLC is released. I still love ME and I'm still hopeful.

[Shiran]

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm not making any personal statements here.

But the way I see it, most did not want clarification of the ending. So it's hard for them to feel thankful for something they didn't ask for.

Have you ever been given a really bad gift at Christmas? Like an itchy sweater? Are you thankful to your loved one for getting it...sure. Do you like it? No. So on that level, you aren't truly thankful for it.

Wow. You are pretty horrible person, aren't you? If someone took time to knit you a freaking sweater, and you rolled your eyes on it becuase it's "itchy" Of course it's itchy, it's pure natural wool, and you are not meant to wear it over bare skin, it goes over a nice long sleeve flannel shirt, that someone probably gave you. And the only feeling normal people have in this situation is feeling of utter total grattitude that someone cares for you, no matter what your personal faults are to spend weeks making this for you.

[xsdob]

FemmeShep wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

True, but I also don't think this is the MAIN feedback fans gave. So it's kind of like, they cherrypicked.

Actually, fans did ask for what the DLC offers, the only problem is that fans changed their minds about 2 weeks ago after someone suggested that the mere exsistence of the starchild broke continuity. Everyone agreed and the goalpost for bioware was moved back 20 yards from what they were aiming for.

[Ariq]

robertm2 wrote...

There is no downside to this really.

Sure there is a downside. It works as a justification for not addressing the real problems.

a) "Well, it's free, you can't expect much from it."
 "Since it's free you shouldn't expect it to change, alter or expand on the endings with gameplay."
c) Afterwards: "You had your fix. And it was free. Too bad it still left all of the problems there, it's done now."

[aliengmr1]

I would be more thankful if they would actually speak to us. Not commenting on the endings at Pax is the most absurd thing I have heard yet.

They made a decision, and I'll respect that decision.

[liggy002]

xsdob wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

There is no downside to this really. It costs nothing, adds clarification, and could possible fix the ending that so many people seem to have a problem with. I actually liked the ending but obviously people didnt and they did something about it. FOR FREE! so what if they didnt completely change it get over it its not going to happen. No other company in the world would do something like this so could all the people bashing them for doing something that is unheard of at least reserve judgement until it is released. Or until then get off the forums and take your games back or throw them in the trash. Its not going to happen so just let it go you are just wasting your keyboards vitality. They are not doing any other dlc until this is released which means no extra gameplay no extra multiplayer nothing. And they are doing it for you. How about some gratitude for once on this god forsaken website.

Right... I am thankful that they didn't listen to their fans.  I'm thankful that they cut out Harbinger and aren't going to give me any extra gameplay with him.  Additional cinematics aren't enough and they know it, but it seems that they are too arrogant to see that.  No other company in the world would do that?  Bethesda did it and Bioware isn't half the company they are.  They could at least have the integrity to tell me right off the bat if there is going to be any gameplay.  It doesn't sound like it.  I've wasted my time with these series and I am done wasting my time.

1. you don't know about the gameplay part.
2. fans hated harbinger and wanted him cut because he was too "saturday morning cartoon villian"ish for the fans liking, and why they made the reaper on rannoch more like soverign.

You're correct I don't know about the gameplay but based on the way that announcement was worded, it seems like there wont be any game play.  Regarding Harbinger, fans need to lay off the crack pipe.  Replacing Harbinger with TIM and Kai Leng?  That's the worst writing decision ever.  Harbinger was a huge part of the whole mystery of the Mass Effect Universe.  It's the idea that you are fighting a mysterious threat and don't know what is going to happen.

Modifié par liggy002, 06 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[FemmeShep]

Shiran wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm not making any personal statements here.

But the way I see it, most did not want clarification of the ending. So it's hard for them to feel thankful for something they didn't ask for.

Have you ever been given a really bad gift at Christmas? Like an itchy sweater? Are you thankful to your loved one for getting it...sure. Do you like it? No. So on that level, you aren't truly thankful for it.

Wow. You are pretty horrible person, aren't you? If someone took time to knit you a freaking sweater, and you rolled your eyes on it becuase it's "itchy" Of course it's itchy, it's pure natural wool, and you are not meant to wear it over bare skin, it goes over a nice long sleeve flannel shirt, that someone probably gave you. And the only feeling normal people have in this situation is feeling of utter total grattitude that someone cares for you, no matter what your personal faults are to spend weeks making this for you.

It was a joke.

Jeez people. Get all uptight when I compare Mass Effect 3's DLC to an itchy sweater.

Look IRL if someone gave me an awful gift that I didnt' like, of course I would be grateful. Doesn't mean I like the gift. But I'm happy they thought of me, and went through the trouble.

But I don't think that applies in this situation. See posts above. And stop getting so wound up over a joke.

[totalrecall87]

free17 wrote...

Good on Bioware making the DLC free. What remains to be seen is whether it's a complete waste of time or not.

I'm willing to wait an see what they give us before I make any decisions.  Hold The Line

[Spargle00]

I wouldn't say I'm thankful to them, but I appreciate that they made some kind of concession by creating this DLC, shifting development schedules to make it, etc. And they didn't have to make it (although they always should have). So I will make a concession of my own and give this DLC the benefit of the doubt. I'm still not going to download it on day one though, even if it is free. I won't thank them unless it's actually worthy of Mass Effect. And maybe not even then. After all, they sold me an incomplete game...

[FemmeShep]

xsdob wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

True, but I also don't think this is the MAIN feedback fans gave. So it's kind of like, they cherrypicked.

Actually, fans did ask for what the DLC offers, the only problem is that fans changed their minds about 2 weeks ago after someone suggested that the mere exsistence of the starchild broke continuity. Everyone agreed and the goalpost for bioware was moved back 20 yards from what they were aiming for.

The main complaints was the A, B, C endings and the long list of things they promised, and went back on. They aren't addressing that at all. They are completely ignoring all those complaints, and are just giving DLC to add scenes and dialogue to clarify.

I agree people wanted to more clarification. But IMO the CORE COMPLAINTS were what I just said. They are not addressing those.

[KingKhan03]

[Sublyminal]

FemmeShep wrote...

Shiran wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

I'm not making any personal statements here.

But the way I see it, most did not want clarification of the ending. So it's hard for them to feel thankful for something they didn't ask for.

Have you ever been given a really bad gift at Christmas? Like an itchy sweater? Are you thankful to your loved one for getting it...sure. Do you like it? No. So on that level, you aren't truly thankful for it.

Wow. You are pretty horrible person, aren't you? If someone took time to knit you a freaking sweater, and you rolled your eyes on it becuase it's "itchy" Of course it's itchy, it's pure natural wool, and you are not meant to wear it over bare skin, it goes over a nice long sleeve flannel shirt, that someone probably gave you. And the only feeling normal people have in this situation is feeling of utter total grattitude that someone cares for you, no matter what your personal faults are to spend weeks making this for you.

It was a joke.

Jeez people. Get all uptight when I compare Mass Effect 3's DLC to an itchy sweater.

Look IRL if someone gave me an awful gift that I didnt' like, of course I would be grateful. Doesn't mean I like the gift. But I'm happy they thought of me, and went through the trouble.

But I don't think that applies in this situation. See posts above. And stop getting so wound up over a joke.

How does that not apply here though? They at least thought enough about us to do this, they didn't have to.

[Big I]

I never expected them to cut out the current ending. Whenever someone does a directors cut of a movie or whatever they add things, they don't take them away. When Sherlock Holmes was resurrected due to fan feedback the author never said the story where he died never happened, only that other stuff happened afterwards.


Revisions and retcons always build upon what went before hand. It's what happened with Bethesda's Broken Steel, Obi-wan coming back as a ghost in TESB, and basically anytime story elements and characters are re-introduced in a work of fiction.

[JeosDinas]

The hilarious thing is that if this DLC had cost money, you'd all have been pissed. Yet, it's free to everyone and it still is apparently just below Satan on the list of "Worst Things Ever".