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[flamingplatypus]

terdferguson123 wrote...

The retake movement has evolved into nothing more but a hate filled machine that only wants to do just that, hate on everything. They would not have been happy no matter what Bioware did. It's unfortanate.

It reminds me of the "birthers", they whined and whined for the president to release his papers, and once he did, they all claimed it was fake.

You just can't please people who love to complain, becuase thats exactly what they love to do.

Thank you for this^
Seriously, even if Bioware were to completely change the endings, the retakers would just keep on complaining about them. No ending will ever match their head-cannon.

[Darthbill52]

terdferguson123 wrote...

The retake movement has evolved into nothing more but a hate filled machine that only wants to do just that, hate on everything. They would not have been happy no matter what Bioware did. It's unfortanate.

It reminds me of the "birthers", they whined and whined for the president to release his papers, and once he did, they all claimed it was fake.

You just can't please people who love to complain, becuase thats exactly what they love to do.

Note my banner at the bottom.  I am not hating nor am I expecting the world.  I am expecting quality story and writing to boot that has been demonstrated in the past.   I am a "whiner" becasue I expect the same amount of quality in anything a company produces?? That's not whining thats being a smart consumer, basis on what was said by people who were making this game and compared to the finished product.   What happened was the total opposite it was crap story tied in a crap box tied up with crap writing in a bow.  The story made no sense, and claiming artistic value is nothing but a cop-out.  I think this would be have been lest hostile if they leveled with us.  Problem is .. they didn't that is why I joined the retake movement not for entitlement but as a person who remembers what bioware used to be able to do, not this warmed over quasi action story.    Call me what ever you want, but if you think I even semi agree with the retake movement out of a "sense of entitlement" is wrong.    I believe they were capable of great things before .. why is it now the last two games .have felt warmed over.  That is why people are pyst.    Personally I cant blame them

 ME3  It has zero replay ability in the single player right now  becasue the story is so linear and boring ..while its previous installments had numerous replay value. 

Since DA II this company has been on a slide and people are calling them on it.   To quote a line in the move network ...."Yell to those in charge .. I am as mad as hell and I am not going to take it"

[Peranor]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Thanks for giving me free fixing DLC almost HALF A YEAR after I payed full price for this game, how very nice of you.

Thanks for selling a game that doesn't live up to your advertisement and promises even with said DLC.

Thanks for not even slightly listening to your customers complaints.

Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?
Space magic only works in Mass Effect, not in real life

Modifié par anorling, 06 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[FemmeShep]

flamingplatypus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

The retake movement has evolved into nothing more but a hate filled machine that only wants to do just that, hate on everything. They would not have been happy no matter what Bioware did. It's unfortanate.

It reminds me of the "birthers", they whined and whined for the president to release his papers, and once he did, they all claimed it was fake.

You just can't please people who love to complain, becuase thats exactly what they love to do.

Thank you for this^
Seriously, even if Bioware were to completely change the endings, the retakers would just keep on complaining about them. No ending will ever match their head-cannon.

Again, had they actually addressed the issues (A, B, C, ending and made your choices matter more. Made the 16 endings actually different) - then peopel could have been made happy.

Let's not act like there was no way to make people happy, BioWare just chose not to. Further, I highly doubt all these people want to hate the Mass Effect fanchise. They certainly dont' love to hate it. WTF

But I do agree, there was no way to make everyone 100% happy.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 06 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[Paragon Auducan]

It's not a nice gesture whatsoever, it's a kick to the teeth to everyone who asked for a change.

It's 'free' because it's not going to add much at all and they can claim we are whiners because why moan when it's free. How about because it's just 'clarifying' the **** we already have. It will be about 5 minutes of extended scenes that still won't make sense.

[Drift3D]

flamingplatypus wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

The retake movement has evolved into nothing more but a hate filled machine that only wants to do just that, hate on everything. They would not have been happy no matter what Bioware did. It's unfortanate.

It reminds me of the "birthers", they whined and whined for the president to release his papers, and once he did, they all claimed it was fake.

You just can't please people who love to complain, becuase thats exactly what they love to do.

Thank you for this^
Seriously, even if Bioware were to completely change the endings, the retakers would just keep on complaining about them. No ending will ever match their head-cannon.

The problem here is not that we love to hate, the problem is that we were given something that was completely and utterly different from what we were lead to believe up to the games release. What I get from your statement is that we should accept mediocrity because we have no right to say otherwise. Especially when we know what Bioware are capable of there is no excuse for what we were given. Furthermore we don't need clarification for something that doesn't deserve it, no matter how you spin it the ending we were given is an example of poor writing and lazyness. It should be replaced not added on to.

Modifié par Drift3D, 06 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[Darthbill52]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

It's not a nice gesture whatsoever, it's a kick to the teeth to everyone who asked for a change.

It's 'free' because it's not going to add much at all and they can claim we are whiners because why moan when it's free. How about because it's just 'clarifying' the **** we already have. It will be about 5 minutes of extended scenes that still won't make sense.

I was reading in another forum earlier, someone was saying calling it now it will be a comic like one for me2.  


I agree, I dont think this will even be CGI cutscenes, I think it will be a digital comic or something equally throw away

[Apfelweinbrauer]

anorling wrote...

Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?

No, I actually expected them to sell a game that lives up to their promises and advertisement right from day one.
Where are my 16 vastly different endings? Why don't my choices matter? Seriously BioWare, if you know in advance that you won't be able to deliver, just keep quiet next time...

Would you be content if you just bought a car, paid full price for it and then the salesman tells you that the engine will be sent to your home within the next six months... probably...?

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 06 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[Lavits75]

I'm thankful, very thankful. Doesn't mean I'm going to like it, and it doesn't mean it'll change anything for me. This DLC could make me more angry than the original endings. It could make everything better. Who knows? No point arguing and tearing each other apart until we see it. Everyone needs to calm down.

[recentio]

Yeah, I'm thankful. How thankful will depend on how good of a job it does in closing plotholes like the Normandy, etc. Being stuck with the Starchild isn't very delightful, but I knew from the beginning that it was there to stay. The fact that the DLC won't be out until summer gives me some hope that it'll be more than just 5 minutes of new video. I hope it'll be substantial enough to make things work much more smoothly and clearly.

Modifié par recentio, 06 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[Tigerlily Warrior]

I am, but I'm also sad. Why? because that means that BW really, really, really thought the ending they provided was fine, as is. There were no tricks up their sleaves, no twist ala "The Sixth Sense" or "The Usual Suspects". All of the plot holes and the three endings that had nothing to do with choice...

Look, I'm not going to rehash what thousands have already said. For me, it's just the realization that Bioware isn't as good of a publisher as I had throught they were.

To me, Bioware was a shining beacon on the hill, an example for other publishers to strive to become. They were the future of gaming. When movies went from black and white to color, from silent to talkies, there were leaders in the industry whose property would set the standard. And as much as the whole "artist freedom" has been debated, it has to be quality storytelling that elevates the medium to the next level. I thought Bioware would do to gaming what MGM, United Artists and RKO did for movies. Why couldn't Mass Effect be our Citizen Kane? or Grapes of Wrath or Twelve Angry Men or Now Voyager? They were so close. So close but for those stupid, stupid 10 minutes.

I'm just so sad. It could've been epic, a game-changer (no pun intended). I am just so very, very sad.

Edit: and for the record, I loved this series.  I'm not a hater, I don't like to troll.  I think the majority of the people with complaints about the ending truly love the series.  Even those whose comments are crude or blunt are coming from a place of affection.  It just reinforces my belief that the series was meant for greatness and scandal surrounding the ending undercuts that possibility.

Modifié par Tigerlily Warrior, 06 avril 2012 - 02:19 .

[Paragon Auducan]

Lavits75 wrote...

I'm thankful, very thankful. Doesn't mean I'm going to like it, and it doesn't mean it'll change anything for me. This DLC could make me more angry than the original endings. It could make everything better. Who knows? No point arguing and tearing each other apart until we see it. Everyone needs to calm down.

The Bioware announcement clearly states it's just extended scenes we already have. Joker running away cannot in any way make sense unless he has future reading powers and is related to the Flash.

[wesr]

Darthbill52 wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

It's not a nice gesture whatsoever, it's a kick to the teeth to everyone who asked for a change.

It's 'free' because it's not going to add much at all and they can claim we are whiners because why moan when it's free. How about because it's just 'clarifying' the **** we already have. It will be about 5 minutes of extended scenes that still won't make sense.

I was reading in another forum earlier, someone was saying calling it now it will be a comic like one for me2.  


I agree, I dont think this will even be CGI cutscenes, I think it will be a digital comic or something equally throw away

This is exactly what we'll get. A giant middle finger to the fans of the series and it will make them look even worse in Forbes and the pro fan media. We all know deep down that nobody in the company cares about what anyone thinks, it's all about cash. There is a reason this will be free: it's crap and nobody would pay for it.

[xsdob]

FemmeShep wrote...

xsdob wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

True, but I also don't think this is the MAIN feedback fans gave. So it's kind of like, they cherrypicked.

Actually, fans did ask for what the DLC offers, the only problem is that fans changed their minds about 2 weeks ago after someone suggested that the mere exsistence of the starchild broke continuity. Everyone agreed and the goalpost for bioware was moved back 20 yards from what they were aiming for.

The main complaints was the A, B, C endings and the long list of things they promised, and went back on. They aren't addressing that at all. They are completely ignoring all those complaints, and are just giving DLC to add scenes and dialogue to clarify.

I agree people wanted to more clarification. But IMO the CORE COMPLAINTS were what I just said. They are not addressing those.

True, but with most people listing off the fact that the starchild is still in the game as reason number one fo them either boycotting or leaving bioware entirely, it gives off the wrong impression of what the most important issue is.

[Peranor]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

anorling wrote...

Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?

No, I actually expected them to sell a game that lives up to their promises and advertisement right from day one.
Where are my 16 vastly different endings? Why don't my choices matter? Seriously BioWare, if you know in advance that you won't be able to deliver, just keep quiet next time...

Would you be content if you just bought a car, paid full price for it and then the salesman tells you that the engine will be sent to your home within the next six months... probably...?

I was talking about your first point:
"Thanks for giving me free fixing DLC almost HALF A YEAR after I payed full price for this game, how very nice of you."

While I also would love to have the DLC ready for download by tomorrow as much as the next guy it's not a very relastic expectation.

You can complain about how BioWare has handled lots of things during this ending fiasco and I'll agree with you.
But im not going to hold the development time of the new ending DLC against them.
Stuff like that takes time to produce.
And i'd rather see them take their time with this DLC rather then to rush it and end up with another belly flop like they did with the current endings.

[Peranor]

double post...

Modifié par anorling, 06 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Disciple888]

would pay for better ending

[NPH11]

Thank you for doing a minimal effort in an attempt to make up for a product you shouldn't have screwed up on in the first place.

Thank you for sticking to your "artistic integrity" even though what you have made is quite far from "art" in my books.

Thank you for sticking to your guns so I can jump ship, move on and support other companies.

Happy?

[Gudmoore]

anorling wrote...
Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?

Amnesia much? Remember DAY ONE DLC anybody? So don't talk like they can't release DLC immediately. They've killed that argument THEMSELVES.

Modifié par Gudmoore, 06 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[Gurneyslabb]

Its just a middle finger response to long term fans, after the train wreck of dragon age 2 to the ending of the mass effect trilogy not to mention any future franchises post shepard with a b c endings even with a extended " Artistic Expression w**k fes. Best case scenario they could have used the idoctrination theory added alot of single player content with post citadel and saved some face and proved they actually listen to fans but to completly ignore them proves they should just do mindless shooter games and give in to the mindless assimilation of EA 

Modifié par Gurneyslabb, 06 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[FS3D]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

stalin931 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

Wait what? 
Have you actually read the fan feedback thread? The majority of people on there were asking for bioware to completely redo the ending, or at least add others, and only a small section were asking for clarity on the endings because they thought everyone else couldnt understand biowares 'genius' 
Artistic integrity I can appreciate but a genuinely heartfelt response to feedback this isnt.
As for the arrogance part, they still have not even entertained the idea that the endings were badly made/ executed. To me that is rather arrogant.

It's rather ridiculous that you think your opinion trumpts the people who actually made the universe.

Well... We did actually hand over our cash so that these people could earn a living for said universe.

But thanks for not acknowledging that fact.

[ackalaya3]

I'm thankful that there is hope for something better. Till I play the DLC for myself though, I will remain skeptical.

[Yorkston9152]

anorling wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Thanks for giving me free fixing DLC almost HALF A YEAR after I payed full price for this game, how very nice of you.

Thanks for selling a game that doesn't live up to your advertisement and promises even with said DLC.

Thanks for not even slightly listening to your customers complaints.

Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?
Space magic only works in Mass Effect, not in real life

it apparenly worked for day one DLC

[Cousland001]

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Modifié par Cousland001, 06 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[Tigerlily Warrior]

Zany Jedi wrote...

I would much rather pay for a dlc that actually makes my choices matter and gets rid of plot holes.

Hey, I would too.  I would even love to see an expansion ala DA:Awakening (ME:Indoctrination).  But unfortunately it ain't gonna happen.  If they were planning more, they would've say so by now. This wasn't a plan, this was scramble, a PR nightmare of their own making.  I trusted Bioware enough to invest in EA stock.  I sold it all last month. Customers are very important but stockholders and stock prices dictate how a company functions.  Maybe it will have some effect in the future.