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[ShdwFox7]

robertm2 wrote...

could possible fix the ending that so many people seem to have a problem with.

And that's exactly the problem. Even you, yourself, used the word "possible". We have no absolute guarantee that this new ending will be done correctly. In fact, we now have greater evidence to support the opposite. That Bioware will keep this senseless view of "artistic integrity" until the bitter end. As it's been said in the past by many others, Bioware is a business, and businesses try to make money. They make money by making their customers happy. And many of their customers aren't going to be happy with simple additions that clarify an ending that's absurd in the first place.

robertm2 wrote...

at least reserve judgement until it is released.

Now this part I completely agree. I certainly won't be investing another penny into a Bioware product until I see this DLC for myself. And judging by the current evidence, I probably won't be doing so after either. I pray that the indoctrination theory is still correct, and for whatever absolutely idiotic reason Bioware is continuing to promote this illusion.



But you know what one of the real issues with this has been all along? Bioware's constant PR deflection and smug attitude. For example:

"So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No." - Derek Larke

It's this kind of attitude that's been driving most of the hate around here. Why couldn't they just say something like: "Were proud of the game we made but we will not be changing the ending, sorry". Why can't they just talk straight with us, without being so insensitive at the same time? In other jobs an employee could get fired for talking to a customer like that.

[reid296]

Clarification won't be nearly enough! The more I think about it, the more I see that pretty much the entire game was poorly conceived from the start. Nothing short of total overhaul and rewrites would satisfy me now, not that I'd trust bioware to be able to do it properly. I have seen true art, and nothing in ME3 comes close. I really hope they don't think they were making some profound statement. Do they actually think they're so beyond us that we can't see through their lowbrow attempt at art? They sit around patting themselves on the back over manufactured critic reviews while calling us philistines! We should all feel insulted...

[ericjdev]

If the clarification does not=more convo with starchild and I don't need to play MP to get adequate EMS to see the 'perfect' ending then I very well might start to experience gratitude. If I get a nice scene of Tuchanka and Rannoch reflecting how my decisions effected them and some blue babies I will be in full gratitude mode. I am skeptical and I would probably feel more optimistic if they where charging, I have to assume free=as little production as possible.

[robertm2]

liggy002 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

There is no downside to this really. It costs nothing, adds clarification, and could possible fix the ending that so many people seem to have a problem with. I actually liked the ending but obviously people didnt and they did something about it. FOR FREE! so what if they didnt completely change it get over it its not going to happen. No other company in the world would do something like this so could all the people bashing them for doing something that is unheard of at least reserve judgement until it is released. Or until then get off the forums and take your games back or throw them in the trash. Its not going to happen so just let it go you are just wasting your keyboards vitality. They are not doing any other dlc until this is released which means no extra gameplay no extra multiplayer nothing. And they are doing it for you. How about some gratitude for once on this god forsaken website.

Right... I am thankful that they didn't listen to their fans.  I'm thankful that they cut out Harbinger and aren't going to give me any extra gameplay with him.  Additional cinematics aren't enough and they know it, but it seems that they are too arrogant to see that.  No other company in the world would do that?  Bethesda did it and Bioware isn't half the company they are.  They could at least have the integrity to tell me right off the bat if there is going to be any gameplay.  It doesn't sound like it.  I've wasted my time with this series and I am done wasting my time.

right but bethesda charged money for it. they are also good developers but once again there was nothing really wrong with the ending. fallout games are not so much about story as much as they are about exploration and discovery. and if your done wasting your time why are you still on the forums? these are just empty threats to try to bend bioware to your will. they have already said it would be extra dialouge and more cinematics. if you go to someones house and they say they have chicken and pork do you get mad when there is no steak? they did listen to their fans but they cannot cater to every person compromise was made to find a middle ground if you cant deal with that then play something else.

[ghrthtdhdfhdh]

Carbon monoxide doesn't actually harm your tissue in any way. It just takes the place of the oxygen you need.

Same scenario (albeit a little less serious.) Even a free DLC can be a bad thing because it is taking the place of an actual fix, which will now never happen because they have committed to "clarifying."

[FemmeShep]

xsdob wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

xsdob wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

D1ck1e wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

More accurately, thanks for not being arrogant and listening to the feedback fans provided.

So you felt your feedback was answered?

Huh?  Bioware encouraged feedback from their fans, and now they're releasing DLC regarding the ending.  Just because some people aren't getting exactly what they wanted doesn't mean Bioware wasn't listening.

True, but I also don't think this is the MAIN feedback fans gave. So it's kind of like, they cherrypicked.

Actually, fans did ask for what the DLC offers, the only problem is that fans changed their minds about 2 weeks ago after someone suggested that the mere exsistence of the starchild broke continuity. Everyone agreed and the goalpost for bioware was moved back 20 yards from what they were aiming for.

The main complaints was the A, B, C endings and the long list of things they promised, and went back on. They aren't addressing that at all. They are completely ignoring all those complaints, and are just giving DLC to add scenes and dialogue to clarify.

I agree people wanted to more clarification. But IMO the CORE COMPLAINTS were what I just said. They are not addressing those.

True, but with most people listing off the fact that the starchild is still in the game as reason number one fo them either boycotting or leaving bioware entirely, it gives off the wrong impression of what the most important issue is.

I feel you.

But I really think BioWare is smarter than that. I think they know exactly what the major complaints were, and just chose to ignore them. They avoided them.

In order to live up to the promises they made, it would have taken more work then they would probably be allowed to do for free DLC. It's much easier to clarify, and say you made a concession to the fans that way, then to admit you messed up, and have to really fix a problem.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 06 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[ShdwFox7]

ghrthtdhdfhdh wrote...

Carbon monoxide doesn't actually harm your tissue in any way. It just takes the place of the oxygen you need.

Same scenario (albeit a little less serious.) Even a free DLC can be a bad thing because it is taking the place of an actual fix, which will now never happen because they have committed to "clarifying."

^ This too

[Peranor]

Gudmoore wrote...

anorling wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

anorling wrote...

Well, you can't really expect them to snap their fingers and just produce a new ending DLC out of thin air now can you?

No, I actually expected them to sell a game that lives up to their promises and advertisement right from day one.
Where are my 16 vastly different endings? Why don't my choices matter? Seriously BioWare, if you know in advance that you won't be able to deliver, just keep quiet next time...

Would you be content if you just bought a car, paid full price for it and then the salesman tells you that the engine will be sent to your home within the next six months... probably...?

I was talking about your first point:
"Thanks for giving me free fixing DLC almost HALF A YEAR after I payed full price for this game, how very nice of you."

While I also would love to have the DLC ready for download by tomorrow as much as the next guy it's not a very relastic expectation.

You can complain about how BioWare has handled lots of things during this ending fiasco and I'll agree with you.
But im not going to hold the development time of the new ending DLC against them.
Stuff like that takes time to produce.
And i'd rather see them take their time with this DLC rather then to rush it and end up with another belly flop like they did with the current endings.

Amnesia much? Remember DAY ONE DLC anybody? So don't talk like they can't release DLC immediately. They've killed that argument THEMSELVES.

Dont' be daft. Day one DLC was planned all along. Duct tape ending DLC was not.

[Theb82]

Yes ty bioware for lying and releasing a terrible ending and not charging us for a few extra cutscenes. We should not be thanking them, they should be apologising to us....

Modifié par Theb82, 06 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Gurneyslabb]

terdferguson123 wrote...

The retake movement has evolved into nothing more but a hate filled machine that only wants to do just that, hate on everything. They would not have been happy no matter what Bioware did. It's unfortanate.

It reminds me of the "birthers", they whined and whined for the president to release his papers, and once he did, they all claimed it was fake.

You just can't please people who love to complain, becuase thats exactly what they love to do.

day 1 dlc, endless plotholes in the ending, a b c choices ,ignoring fans completly, the infamous " artistic expression" which should be a meme by itself not to mention the train wreck that is dragon age 2 where the lack of choices making any impact the mass effection of the main character with hawke among other things stuck in the same city apart from dlc rsuing the same instance Bioware gave alot of fuel to make fire just saying

[Mcfly616]

It's free.....don't expect anything lengthy or of high quality....Bioware doesn't profit from it...

[Eyeshield21]

zenoxis wrote...

Thanks for ignoring all the suggestions we gave?

This, damn it, this! 

[zarnk567]

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's free.....don't expect anything lengthy or of high quality....Bioware doesn't profit from it...

And if EA is letting it be free.... you KNOW its not gonna be anything that cost money to make.

Modifié par zarnk567, 06 avril 2012 - 02:45 .

[Joccaren]

No other company in the world would do this?
You've obviously never heard of CDProjekt Red.

No, we are not happy. It is not what we wanted. It fixes some of the problems, but that takes it from being a technically bad ending, to a bad ending in relation to the rest of the games. The current trend at Bioware is one that many cannot spend our money on, and so we try to fix that trend, else we leave.

[moater boat]

Of course not. The fact that it is free pretty much ensures it is going to suck. I would have rather coughed up some money and actually gotten a good ending, instead of more detail on a ****ty ending.

[Yubz]

Don't really care if it's free or not. But yeah they've already said "NO CHANGE to the ending" so thanks for doing the complete opposite of what we were actually asking for really appreciate it.

[FemmeShep]

Joccaren wrote...

No other company in the world would do this?
You've obviously never heard of CDProjekt Red.

No, we are not happy. It is not what we wanted. It fixes some of the problems, but that takes it from being a technically bad ending, to a bad ending in relation to the rest of the games. The current trend at Bioware is one that many cannot spend our money on, and so we try to fix that trend, else we leave.

Or Valve.

Lol at people thinking what BioWare is doing here is great and generous, when BioWare falsely advertised the game, and promised things and broke them.

Let's not even compare BioWare to CD Projekt and Valve. Not even close.

[Acidrain92]

I sincerely appreciate this free DLC and am embarrassed with how spoiled and corrupted the retake movement has become.

Eyeshield21 wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

Thanks for ignoring all the suggestions we gave?

This, damn it, this!

how do you know they are going to ignore all of the suggestions? They may implement them into the ending now.

unless of course you had unreasonable suggestions considering totally destroying the current ending.

[Butane9000]

Considering it's a cheap cop-out by Bioware, No. I'll gladly give it a chance but if what they said is true then it was pointless.

[Mbednar]

Expect this, only with cinematics.  It could turn out to be quite good.
HONESTLY, take a look at this.  Its Fan-Made but VERY detailed. 
IT REFLECTS THE CHOICES YOU MADE.

Unofficial Epilogue Generator

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11005521/1

The creator obviously worked his butt off so give him some feedback if ya can.

Modifié par Mbednar, 06 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[ShdwFox7]

FemmeShep wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

No other company in the world would do this?
You've obviously never heard of CDProjekt Red.

No, we are not happy. It is not what we wanted. It fixes some of the problems, but that takes it from being a technically bad ending, to a bad ending in relation to the rest of the games. The current trend at Bioware is one that many cannot spend our money on, and so we try to fix that trend, else we leave.

Or Valve.

Lol at people thinking what BioWare is doing here is great and generous, when BioWare falsely advertised the game, and promised things and broke them.

Let's not even compare BioWare to CD Projekt and Valve. Not even close.

Agreed, people seem to be forgetting that at the end of the day Bioware is a business. Releasing this DLC (if their taking it seriously that is) means they are investing some money to do so. At some point in time, they expect a return on investment from this action. Either from angry fans that previously denounced Bioware products or possibly a good PR stunt (I.e. it makes them look good by giving what the fans want).

[Spellbound83]

I am thankful that BioWare has decided to do something. Granted, I expected them to do *something*. I also expected this DLC to be free. Mind you, I expected a DLC of this size to be free - especially since I already paid 10 bucks for a Prothean squadmate. While I LOVED seeing what happened during the final moments of the Protheans' losing effort, we all know creating that DLC did not equate to 1/6th the cost of the original game. Honestly, it speaks to a bigger issue in the gaming industry, one that has been brewing for a long, long time.

[AkeasharK]

Spellbound83 wrote...

I am thankful that BioWare has decided to do something. Granted, I expected them to do *something*. I also expected this DLC to be free. Mind you, I expected a DLC of this size to be free - especially since I already paid 10 bucks for a Prothean squadmate. While I LOVED seeing what happened during the final moments of the Protheans' losing effort, we all know creating that DLC did not equate to 1/6th the cost of the original game. Honestly, it speaks to a bigger issue in the gaming industry, one that has been brewing for a long, long time.

Unfortunately we really have no idea how big this is going to be. What we know is that theres going to be cinematics clarifying what happened, as well as epilogue sequences. Cinematics tend to be pretty weighty in a size (as opposed to necessarily length) capacity, unless you cheap it out like Blizzard and just use the ingame engine... which would honestly be fine with explanatory / clarification.

The epilogues... I'm hoping that it being based off personal experience will be more than just playing either:

Quarian Live Epilogue
Quarian/Geth Live Epilogue
Geth Live Epilogue

But that's likely what folks'll get, unless they go 'Dance Crazy' as Thane would say and put more minor variants based off other choices.

[frylock23]

robertm2 wrote...

There is no downside to this really. It costs nothing, adds clarification, and could possible fix the ending that so many people seem to have a problem with. I actually liked the ending but obviously people didnt and they did something about it. FOR FREE! so what if they didnt completely change it get over it its not going to happen. No other company in the world would do something like this so could all the people bashing them for doing something that is unheard of at least reserve judgement until it is released. Or until then get off the forums and take your games back or throw them in the trash. Its not going to happen so just let it go you are just wasting your keyboards vitality. They are not doing any other dlc until this is released which means no extra gameplay no extra multiplayer nothing. And they are doing it for you. How about some gratitude for once on this god forsaken website.

Ask me again when I've seen it. IME, you generally get what you pay for, and we aren't paying for this.

Modifié par frylock23, 06 avril 2012 - 03:16 .