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[ThePasserby]

Thanks, Bioware, for making my entertainment spending decisions easier, by removing yourself from my shopping list.

[Conquerthecity]

 I'm really trying to keep an open mind, but it's like seeing the ending for the first time again. Feels like I've wasted five years.  

[Mcfly616]

AkeasharK wrote...

Spellbound83 wrote...

I am thankful that BioWare has decided to do something. Granted, I expected them to do *something*. I also expected this DLC to be free. Mind you, I expected a DLC of this size to be free - especially since I already paid 10 bucks for a Prothean squadmate. While I LOVED seeing what happened during the final moments of the Protheans' losing effort, we all know creating that DLC did not equate to 1/6th the cost of the original game. Honestly, it speaks to a bigger issue in the gaming industry, one that has been brewing for a long, long time.

Unfortunately we really have no idea how big this is going to be. What we know is that theres going to be cinematics clarifying what happened, as well as epilogue sequences. Cinematics tend to be pretty weighty in a size (as opposed to necessarily length) capacity, unless you cheap it out like Blizzard and just use the ingame engine... which would honestly be fine with explanatory / clarification.

The epilogues... I'm hoping that it being based off personal experience will be more than just playing either:

Quarian Live Epilogue
Quarian/Geth Live Epilogue
Geth Live Epilogue

But that's likely what folks'll get, unless they go 'Dance Crazy' as Thane would say and put more minor variants based off other choices.

If its not even 3 times as long as the current ending cinematics....its still wouldn't be long enough....


The current cinematics are SO SHORT!

Oo look the Citadel blew up....sh*t...I was on that...

Oh look, Big Ben....Reapers getting shocked to death.....random soldiers

Mass Relays are blowing up....wait in Arrival it says that would kill everyone in the system....Everybody's dead?!!!

Oh look, there's Joker....how the...? ....where the hell is he going?!

So everybody is de.....Oh look, the Normandy....Ooo two moons....

Oh Hi Babe(Liara)....oh Hi EDI......EDI? what the hell? You're supposed be dead.....what the hell?!!!!

Credits roll

1:30 seconds tops....of straight up non sense.....



this "Extended Cut" better be AT LEAST 10 minutes if it even has a shot at muzzling the outcry and satisfying loyal fans...

Modifié par Mcfly616, 06 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[DevilBeast]

zenoxis wrote...

Thanks for ignoring all the suggestions we gave?

Who said they did?? Again, people; stop acting like you all know what exactly the DLC will contain.
It´s like being in the IT thread again:S

[Joccaren]

DevilBeast wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

Thanks for ignoring all the suggestions we gave?

Who said they did?? Again, people; stop acting like you all know what exactly the DLC will contain.
It´s like being in the IT thread again:S

Quite simply, they did.
They have stated they are adding cutscenes to expand upon the ending, but the endings themselves will not be changed.
Our suggestions:
-Suicide Mission Mechanics for Sword/Hammer/Shield fleets
-Extended Missions on the Citadel with previous choices coming into effect
-Conversation with Harbinger instead of Catalyst
-Option for a different ending, where you reject the Catalyst
-Ability to argue with the Catalyst
-The Normandy doesn't get space magiced to a random planet
-The Mass Relays don't explode
-Shepard doesn't die in all [Bar possibly 1] endings, and there is a way to save him, the Geth and EDI
-Indoc Theory

I can guarantee 0 of these suggestions will be taken into account. They all constitute changes to the ending, and Bioware doesn't want to do that. Our suggestions were ignored. About the only suggestions listened to were 'Add an Epilogue' and 'Show our Assets in Cutscenes' - and maybe not even the second one.

[Hihoshi101]

Better than nothing. I do hope it is good.

[Nightwriter]

I can appreciate that they made it free. They didn't have to. They could have bilked more money out of me for it, and I'd just have said "that's companies for ya." But they didn't.

[Hihoshi101]

Joccaren wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

Thanks for ignoring all the suggestions we gave?

Who said they did?? Again, people; stop acting like you all know what exactly the DLC will contain.
It´s like being in the IT thread again:S

Quite simply, they did.
They have stated they are adding cutscenes to expand upon the ending, but the endings themselves will not be changed.
Our suggestions:
-Suicide Mission Mechanics for Sword/Hammer/Shield fleets
-Extended Missions on the Citadel with previous choices coming into effect
-Conversation with Harbinger instead of Catalyst
-Option for a different ending, where you reject the Catalyst
-Ability to argue with the Catalyst
-The Normandy doesn't get space magiced to a random planet
-The Mass Relays don't explode
-Shepard doesn't die in all [Bar possibly 1] endings, and there is a way to save him, the Geth and EDI
-Indoc Theory

I can guarantee 0 of these suggestions will be taken into account. They all constitute changes to the ending, and Bioware doesn't want to do that. Our suggestions were ignored. About the only suggestions listened to were 'Add an Epilogue' and 'Show our Assets in Cutscenes' - and maybe not even the second one.

Guarantee you say? Proof? Have you seen it yet? Why is every one so quick to assume the worst?

[OozesAwesome]

Thank you. Free is always good. Now Bioware go out there and give them hell, you were born to do this.

[Ubergrog]

you get what you pay for.

[tybbiesniffer]

I appreciate it.  I didn't like the ending but I can understand why they don't want to change it.  All I ever wanted was closure, a finished story, not a new ending.

[Nightwriter]

Hihoshi101 wrote...

Guarantee you say? Proof? Have you seen it yet? Why is every one so quick to assume the worst?

Because there is a precedent for it.

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Should I be grateful when a patch is released for a game, that fixes aspects of the game that I already paid for?

[tMc Tallgeese]

I can appreciate that BioWare not only is willing to postpone their planned DLC to offer further endgame content and without cost to game owners. I also believe that they are doing right by their people by not compromising the choices made during development. I have thoroughly enjoyed BioWare games for many years and have deeply enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy. All of that being said, it shall be interesting to see how the additional content will clarify some of the plot points. I for one believed that all the decisions you have made throughout the series paved the way towards the end and creates an opportunity for new games in that universe to take us on more great journeys.

<tactical cloak> Now before the others come looking for my head....

[TheScott1987]

The ending was bad. A broken bone. An obvious rushed job or an ending that will allow them to make an MMO or something. But they are putting on a bandaid, not fixing the broken bone.

This won't make up for the pre-release lies. Or the fact they are taking no suggestions and sticking with "Oh, the endings were amazing but some people didn't like our art because they don't get it so we will give free DLC so they won't be mad and will buy more DLC!"

This was handled so, so badly . . .

[CJMissen]

I'll only trust that its a good thing when I see it or have it clarified to me that YES they were listening, and listening SPECIFICALLY to what about the ending is so abhorent to their dissatisfied fans. Delivering on their promises is about all I will trust at this point, and they have yet to do so.

They've already betrayed me once, I'm not above thinking they're capable of doing it again with the same knife.

[Ahms]

I'm going to withhold judgment, criticism and praise until I see the appended ending. Note that I'm still referring to it in the singular.

I will be thankful if/when their original promises and claims are fulfilled.

To be fair, the fact that it's "free" (there's always some cost, somewhere to somebody, so nothing is ever free in the idealistic sense) tells us that A) they actually are listening, they're retaining their business ethic and integrity by not screwing the consumer base out of a polished and finished product.

Of course, we'll know for sure whether or not both A and B are true only when the DLC is released.

There is something else I have not overlooked: the possibility that this all may have been pre-planned due to project time constraints. It's probable and reasonable to think that because they didn't have time to properly flesh out the conclusion to the series, they are now taking their time to make things how they should have been. This also ties in to the allusions of "keep your saves. We're keeping ours."

Again, all of this remains to be seen.

Until then, keep holding the line, people.

[G Kevin]

We are all glad that something is being done and we appreciate it. However, without any new details, nothing has changed and we are all the more skeptical about it.

Modifié par G Kevin, 06 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Byrdman]

No. Simple reason. They're wasting resources on polishing a .... thing.... rather than putting those towards doing what we were hoping for. I refuse to be optimistic when they've spent a whole month acting like we were crazy for questioning their "art" and are now acting like they've given us actual FTL capabilities by "extending" a nonsensical ending.

If it turns out that the "clarified" endings are absolutely amazing, I'll eat my can of Sno Seal (which I'm currently using to waterproof my work boots rather than gaming....... sad times)

[Mage One]

I'm very grateful, but I'm also doubtful. The issue at hand is many of us feel the ending that exists is fundamentally flawed, or to use the popular term, broken. As such, we worry significant revisions ned to be made in order to have something that works. We're presently being told that the ending is going to add and clarify. For some, it sounds like they're insinuating we didn't get the ending when we did and found it to be broken. I'm not in that camp. To others, we worry you can't fix a broken ending by adding onto it. That's the camp I'm in.

Still, I'm grateful they're addressing it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. As it stands, though, what they describe makes me wish they'd just agree ti revise the thing, take out the parts that don't make sense, and add in actual, multiple endings like they promised. Still, I'll withhold judgement until I see it. Unfortunately if we don't think it makes sense and still think it's broken, according to what they've said now they're not planning any further changes.  That means we'll have been right, disappointed twice and likely stuck. Here's to hoping that doesn't happen.

Modifié par Mage One, 06 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Joccaren]

Hihoshi101 wrote...

Guarantee you say? Proof? Have you seen it yet? Why is every one so quick to assume the worst?

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ 

"What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?

• For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard’s journey.

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

• BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3."

You wanted proof? Well there it is. They are not changing anything in the endings, they are adding additional scenes to clarify and add closure to the endings.
No longer Citadel Missions
No Suicide Squad Mechanics
No removal of Star Child for Harbinger
No choice to reject Star Child
ect.

If you REALLY want to get 'But maybe', Indoc theory is technically not entirely ruled out. I will still guarantee its not in the ending DLC though. You will see when it comes out.

[LordRaptor]

Thankful? No. Cautious. Yes. Trust is not on Bioware's side at this point, and that fact is their own fault. If you do not believe then research the numerous threads on forums and media posts that detail pre-release lies Bioware made regarding the game and have neglected to address. Then there is the abhorrent information black out, and lack of interaction with confused and upset players. Bioware blatantly stated in their FAQ post they would not change the ending. Therefore their answer to all they have listened to is "No". There is no reason to be thankful for that.

[Velocithon]

You had people asking for the basics: Extra cutscenes and dialogue to simply explain wtf happened.

You had people asking for a complete retcon: Scratch the entire Priority: Earth mission and redo it to show our choices, war assists, no godchild, etc etc.


I think many people expected something in the middle. A complete retcon was a little extreme. But just cutscenes sounds lazy and wouldn't really do much. And what did we get? The basics.

Not even any extra gameplay or choices or dialogue in the final minutes. Just uncontrollable cutscenes.

Just speculating here though.

[Lord Jaric]

They wouldn't have done this if it wasn't for the massive backlash. So the movement did succeed at getting them to at least do something about it. I hold my judgment until I see the dlc, if it at least provides answers and closure I'll be somewhat satisfied, maybe not happy but at least satisfied. If it fails then I'm going to be very wary about future bioware and ea games in the future.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 06 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[XMasterPrime]

I hope this comes out, same people still complain no matter what's in it, and they leave. FINALLY.