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[The_Real_Lee]

I just heard about this, and really want to know if Hawke's story is going to be concluded, and how it will be concluded. Also, why did they cancel this DLC?

[Carmen_Willow]

The_Real_Lee wrote...

I just heard about this, and really want to know if Hawke's story is going to be concluded, and how it will be concluded. Also, why did they cancel this DLC?

I wish they would have cancelled the Extended Cut for ME 3 and had given us an ending for Hawke instead, but the numbers just weren't there.  The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

[The_Real_Lee]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

The_Real_Lee wrote...

I just heard about this, and really want to know if Hawke's story is going to be concluded, and how it will be concluded. Also, why did they cancel this DLC?

I wish they would have cancelled the Extended Cut for ME 3 and had given us an ending for Hawke instead, but the numbers just weren't there.  The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

Dam, that crap. I loved my Hawke, I liked DA2 more than DAO. Shame it doesn't get more DLC.

Lee make sad face!   

[Pfor]

This also makes me sad. I love DA2, despite the flaws.

[Augustei]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there
who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

This contradicts Biowares words about it, saying that the other dlc's sold well and that they felt it would sell well but simply wanted the whole team focusing on Dragon Age III

[The_Real_Lee]

I'll be honest, I'm kind of scared that DA3 is going to be rushed now.

[Urzon]

Hopefully with the whole team working on DA3, they will take their time and not cut so many corners like they did with DA2. Don't get me wrong, i liked DA2, but it did have alot of glaring flaws.

I'm going to be afraid if it DA3 comes out ahead of schedule, as well...

Modifié par Urzon, 06 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Pfor]

I think after the shortcuts they took in DA2 backfired they definitely won't be looking at that option again.

[Urzon]

What they want and what corporate wants are two different things. I'm sure the development team would be happy as clams if, they can take all the time and money they needed to make the perfect game. Corporate on the other hand only wants to make as much money as possible, as fast as possible. So, they will just keep putting the pressure to put out a game that good enough for alot of people to buy, and just enough to make the fans keep coming back.

They don't care if you like the game or not after you buy it. Because by then, they already have your money in their pocket.

Modifié par Urzon, 06 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Pfor]

But after DA2 didn't sell nearly as much as DA:O I imagine both Bioware and EA would have considered that for the next installment. They need to win back some goodwill, I believe.

[Eudaemonium]

Thy will always have to cut corners, it's the nature of the business. They're just going to have to re-prioritise. We'll get unique areas, but other things will suffer. We might get less quests, for example.

[cJohnOne]

Urzon wrote...

What they want and what corporate wants are two different things. I'm sure the development team would be happy as clams if, they can take all the time and money they needed to make the perfect game. Corporate on the other hand only wants to make as much money as possible, as fast as possible. So, they will just keep putting the pressure to put out a game that good enough for alot of people to buy, and just enough to make the fans keep coming back.

They don't care if you like the game or not after you buy it. Because by then, they already have your money in their pocket.

I feel that a new game needs to hit the 2 million mark or they might as well start a new series since it would make more sense to do so.  That being the case it will take a game that is better than good enough to keep the franchise going.

[Carmen_Willow]

The_Real_Lee wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

The_Real_Lee wrote...

I just heard about this, and really want to know if Hawke's story is going to be concluded, and how it will be concluded. Also, why did they cancel this DLC?

I wish they would have cancelled the Extended Cut for ME 3 and had given us an ending for Hawke instead, but the numbers just weren't there.  The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

Dam, that crap. I loved my Hawke, I liked DA2 more than DAO. Shame it doesn't get more DLC.

Lee make sad face!   

  Here's mine. I liked my Hawke too! Let's hope they can combine the best of both and give us a great DA:3.

[BigEvil]

It's disappointing that this got cancelled, and I was looking forward to some of the other rumoured DLC as well (those hangman t-shirts were great). I'll still be paying attention to what happens with DA3. If the DA team is still giving us the same banter and character interaction as previously I'm tentatively onboard.

[carine]

I wish they would have had it. I loved DA2 (in a different way than DA:O, but still). Now I'm just really anxious for any DA3 information. If they can fix the environments and continue to make memorable characters I'm buying it.

[danteliveson]

I am dissapointed in this as well.

[Hambacon]

I think the DLC would have given them more changes to iron out bugs in game play and to build a better story on for DA III. I think canceling the DLC was a mistake- DAII was a stepping stone for DAIII and they've basically weakened it.

[Friera]

Hambacon wrote...

I think the DLC would have given them more changes to iron out bugs in game play and to build a better story on for DA III. I think canceling the DLC was a mistake- DAII was a stepping stone for DAIII and they've basically weakened it.

Yeah, I agree...

But aren´t we getting something of a conclusion with Hawke?

Do do believe its strange they have to release a DLC to actually finish a whole game.

[Quill74Pen]

I'm sure there will be a conclusion to Hawke's story — it just won't be in a playable form. Odds are, it'll be a codex entry or two (or three) and possibly a brief appearance or two, all in DA3.

Also, concluding Hawke's story with the current setup of the main game (DA2) and its two DLC items actually gives the developers a bit more leeway in deciding what finally becomes of Hawke and his/her family.

Lastly, I predict DA3 will not launch until March 2013 at the earliest.

Quill74Pen

[aries1001]

It was not a DLC, it was full blown expansion for tghe game, DA2, called Exalted March. Technically, of course, it would have been offered as a dlc as well as a retail game, I think.

As for the devs. behind the DA2 game I think they really wanted to make the Exalted March expansion, but someone from top management at Bioware/EA decided to move on with DA3. Why they did this, we don't know. But it probably have something to with production value and the return of investment. Looking back on the expansion for DA: Origins, called Awakening, I think Awakening sold maybe, what, around 500,000 copies about ½ a year after DA: Origins were first released. Releasing an expansion over a year after DA2 game came out might not be the best business move, although fans would have loved it,
I find.

The dev team has also said that they got an opportunity to work on DA3, meaning that the higher ups e.g. the top managers at Bioware probably decided to make DA3 instead of the Exalted March. As the devs. behind DA2 explained us, they will do their best to incorporate (make it so that) the events in the Exalted March will be in DA3. And the consequences from DA2's story carry over till the DA3 story.

[Always Alice]

I too am disappointed that Exalted March was cancelled. DA2 needed a conclusion instead of the half-assed "and then Hawke vanished " As it stands now, the whole thing feels a bit incomplete.

[Lynata]

Urzon wrote...
What they want and what corporate wants are two different things. I'm sure the development team would be happy as clams if, they can take all the time and money they needed to make the perfect game. Corporate on the other hand only wants to make as much money as possible, as fast as possible. So, they will just keep putting the pressure to put out a game that good enough for alot of people to buy, and just enough to make the fans keep coming back.

Sad but true - just look at KotOR2 compared to KotOR1. Before DA2, people generally believed BioWare was immune to the kind of publisher pressure that forced Obsidian to rush things...

The really sad thing is that even if they produce a brilliant DA3 now, its sales will suffer from the experience people made with DA2 - just like DA2 benefited from the reputation of DA:O (way higher amount of preorders than Origins but dropping far below in the months after release). And the worst is that some execs will probably take this as evidence that the effort didn't pay off rather than regarding this as an investment for restoring the old influence of this brand name.

Always Alice wrote...
DA2 needed a conclusion instead of the half-assed "and then Hawke vanished :D" As it stands now, the whole thing feels a bit incomplete.

I actually like the vanishing bit - allowed me to come up with all sorts of possible fates in my mind. 
But yeah, I did notice a lot of people were apparently hoping for more. Either way, I want to see more of the story and the repercussions, dammit!

Modifié par Lynata, 09 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[Always Alice]

Lynata wrote...
I actually like the vanishing bit - allowed me to come up with all sorts of possible fates in my mind. 
But yeah, I did notice a lot of people were apparently hoping for more. Either way, I want to see more of the story and the repercussions, dammit!

I just really hate cliffhangers, especially if you have to wait a long time to find out what happens next. I wouldn't really mind Hawke vanishing if the presentation was better. It just seems like we jump from point A to point C without anything in between, and Exalted march could have been just what was needed. Origins at least gave some sense of closure, so we weren't trying to figure out what happened after the game. It's such a shame the expansion was cancelled,especially since Bioware seemed to learn from some of its mistakes in the new DLC.

Although I like to complain about Bioware, I fully acknowledge that I am going to be one of those gullible people that preorders the game regardless of quality just to see where the characters and story are headed. So mission accomplished, I guess?

Modifié par Always Alice, 10 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there
who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

This contradicts Biowares words about it, saying that the other dlc's sold well and that they felt it would sell well but simply wanted the whole team focusing on Dragon Age III

It wouldn't be the first time that Bioware hasn't been completely honest with the fans. This is the same company where Mike Laidlaw promised that Kirkwall would be shaped around every choice Hawke makes.

[aries1001]

I think the DA team certainly has learned how to express their ideas to the fans and the BSN community, meaning that they now talk about ideas, not promises. And that these ideas are subject to change from day today, even from hour to hour, or maybe from minute to minute.

Also, things said in interviews in magzines or on web-sites are not advertisements or commercials, but just interviews with say Mike Laidlaw or Mike Darrah that tell us about how far the game is, how their ideas for the game is etc. etc. Also, to touch on some criticism from the ME3 forums, many people say Casey Hudson said in Januay 2012 this or that. I know from my sister being editor of af home depo magazine here in Denmark that that the production time for one her magazines is 6-8 weeks. This means that an interviews in game magazine occuring in January 2012 could've been taped or recorded late november or mid-october 2012, depending on the magazine's deadline. In the old days, people seemed to know this. However, today people seem to have forgotten this....