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[Christianswe]

cliffhanger endings. Very bad.

[Capeo]

Pfor wrote...

I think after the shortcuts they took in DA2 backfired they definitely won't be looking at that option again.

I would love to agree with that but seeing that the ME team adopted a lot DA2 cost cutting tweaks I fear the worst.  ME3 was a game they expected to sell extremely well and it still came out feeling rushed.  I fear what BW may do for a game they don't have equally high sales expectations for.

[cloud39472]

i hate that they cancelled exalted march brings a tear to my eye :'( dragon age 3 couldve waited people dont want a rushed game again anyway so cancelling exalted march was a big mistake i want to have a my hawkes ending not one biowares made up for me in a comic a playable conclusion to hawkes story wouldve been way better and probably would have made more sales than they think maybe we should make a petition to restart work on exalted march though that would probably fail without an end to hawkes story though how can there possibly be a begginning too dragon age 3 or is it gona be made up for us

[Yeardley]

Those Bioware people. They just enjoy... playing with our feelings.

[coldwetn0se]

Wish they would change their minds and make the expansion.....hell at this point, I would take just any kind of ending DLC.......I hated the fact that they released this information a week after me3. I was already in a terrible funk (couldn't even finish the game half way) from me3, and had actually gone back to a new Hawke, when they announced that they were putting DA2 to bed. Bah.......I need to stop putting all my RPG eggs in one basket.

[aldien]

I have mixed feelings about completing Hawke's story, and not for the usual reason I see stated, which is, put all resources in the new unannounced game. I'm a DA2 fan first and foremost.

I was so angry Bioware announced they had an expansion in the works and then told the community that they weren't going to make it. Why? I don't understand the logic behind it. I would rather not have known. It's like saying: I was going to buy you this really beautiful necklace, but then I thought I'd just save up my pennies and get you something later.

Did they ditch the expansion to appease DAO fanatics or... no I can't really come up with something else.

I've seen Bioware respond to fans concerning the DAO storylines that were never concluded and so on, but little concerning DA2 companions and their stories. I know it is a tough situation for the developers, and I also realize the DA2 converts are in the minority. But still... I have to wonder if those who have no interest in the previous storyline are going to be alienated? Honestly, I don't want to have to research the Wiki to understand why I am interacting with Morrigan(who I know very little about) in the next game. How do you make a successor that appeals to two different crowds?

On the other hand, after hearing from some friends about the ending to ME3, part of me thinks I'd rather leave Hawke and company with the original DA2 finale than risk an ending that will rip my heart out and stomp all over it. David Gaider is not one for happy endings so I am told. Don't get me wrong, I don't always want a happy ending, but I also do not want a clean quick plot device to eradicate any messy leftovers.  I guess, at this point, I'm happy to fill in blanks than get a five minute cameo.

I'm sorry if I sound like a complete cow. I know I can be. Hey, at least I admit it.

Modifié par aldien, 11 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[cloud39472]

aldien wrote...

I have mixed feelings about completing Hawke's story, and not for the usual reason I see stated, which is, put all resources in the new unannounced game. I'm a DA2 fan first and foremost.

I was so angry Bioware announced they had an expansion in the works and then told the community that they weren't going to make it. Why? I don't understand the logic behind it. I would rather not have known. It's like saying: I was going to buy you this really beautiful necklace, but then I thought I'd just save up my pennies and get you something later.

Did they ditch the expansion to appease DAO fanatics or... no I can't really come up with something else.

I've seen Bioware respond to fans concerning the DAO storylines that were never concluded and so on, but little concerning DA2 companions and their stories. I know it is a tough situation for the developers, and I also realize the DA2 converts are in the minority. But still... I have to wonder if those who have no interest in the previous storyline are going to be alienated? Honestly, I don't want to have to research the Wiki to understand why I am interacting with Morrigan(who I know very little about) in the next game. How do you make a successor that appeals to two different crowds?

On the other hand, after hearing from some friends about the ending to ME3, part of me thinks I'd rather leave Hawke and company with the original DA2 finale than risk an ending that will rip my heart out and stomp all over it. David Gaider is not one for happy endings or so I am told. Don't get me wrong, I don't always want a happy ending, but I also do not want a clean quick plot device to eradicate any messy leftovers.  I guess, at this point, I'm happy to fill in blanks than get a five minute cameo.

this deffo this i agree with all youve stated although i like origins too was a great game but im one of the few that liked dragon age 2 more they may aswell have not told us about dragon age 2 exalted march if they were gona screw it up anyways why say hey everyone weve got a cool expansion pack cming it will give hawkes story a conclusion then be like weve cancelled it so we can rush dragon age 3 into the ground and make a complete fail of the whole series

Modifié par cloud39472, 11 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[danteliveson]

Damn **** teases.

[brushyourteeth]

I was under the impression that the DA team was working hard on the Exalted March but then decided that its content would work much better for DAIII, so it's being integrated into the new game.

If that's the case, instead of being disappointed that we don't get a new (potentially rushed) DLC, we should be excited that the devs have a strong head start on the next complete game.

[Thalorin1919]

Well, think about it.

Dragon Age 2 is kind of tainted as being incredibly mediocre. Better for them to get more positive attention by putting that content into Dragon Age 3 and reshaping everyone's opinion about the franchise rather than having more people be cautious about it.

Granted, I like Dragon Age 2 and would of had enjoyed the expansion pack. However, they have spent more time in officially announcing Dragon Age 3 than there was development time for Dragon Age 2 and I think that's a good start already.

[ShadowAussie]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

The_Real_Lee wrote...

I just heard about this, and really want to know if Hawke's story is going to be concluded, and how it will be concluded. Also, why did they cancel this DLC?

I wish they would have cancelled the Extended Cut for ME 3 and had given us an ending for Hawke instead, but the numbers just weren't there.  The profit margin just wasn't high enough. Not enough of us out there who actually would have bought the DLC to make it worthwhile.

their 2 separate businesses so they would have the cash for it but there spending it on dragon age 3. the lead group of mass effect 3 isnt the same for dragon age. as Ive heard. exalted prince would have been very important for the harke saga

[cloud39472]

Hanz54321 wrote...

I think everyone who has posted on this thread knows, but is not discussing, the other major reason why this DLC was cancelled (the first reason being sales).

Two words: Coca-Cola

A major brand that has been around forever. People love it. It's a tried and true formula with a recognizable packaging. Not only does it sell, but people love it.

But in my lifetime, Coca-Cola once tried to change the formula and the can design. "The New Coke." The product was a disaster. People hated it. There was nothing wrong with old Coca-Cola. No reason to change it. Customers wanted their Old Coke. Coca-Cola learned the hard way not to change a winning formula - don't alienate your current customer base.

Coca-Cola quickly a stopped advertising "New Coke", stopped producing it, and even went so far as to get rid of a large portion of it instead of let it sit on shelves for a year. They did this because they wanted "New Coke" to be forgotten and plain old Coke customers to come back before those customers had been alienated long enough to switch to Royal Crown forever.

Today plain old Coca-Cola is doing just as well as it ever did and "New Coke" is all but completely forgotten.

My point: DA2 was "New Coke". EA knows it, BioWare knows it and they want to wipe the memory of DA2 quickly and as much as the lore will permit so they can try to produce a product that will measure up to DAO so they can get their old fanbase back. Having a product that sells well for over a year isn't just about money . . . it means it's a product people like.

Disclaimer: I once again am enjoying DA2. I like it. It's fun. It is, however, a very different game from DAO and I recognize trends outside my personal likes and dislikes.

doesnt change the fact that dragon age 2 still matters its story still needs to come into dragon age 3 otherwise the story will be a mess and i wouldnt go that far everyone in the world hated new coke not everyone in the world hate dragon age 2 and the sales for exalted march would have been good not great but good and  like hell are they gonna finish hawke off in dragon age 3 they said hawke is finished even though hes not but according to them he is if he appears and he sais a load of **** happened and it wasnt what i wanted my hawke to do im gonna be pissed

[cloud39472]

cloud39472 wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

I think everyone who has posted on this thread knows, but is not discussing, the other major reason why this DLC was cancelled (the first reason being sales).

Two words: Coca-Cola

A major brand that has been around forever. People love it. It's a tried and true formula with a recognizable packaging. Not only does it sell, but people love it.

But in my lifetime, Coca-Cola once tried to change the formula and the can design. "The New Coke." The product was a disaster. People hated it. There was nothing wrong with old Coca-Cola. No reason to change it. Customers wanted their Old Coke. Coca-Cola learned the hard way not to change a winning formula - don't alienate your current customer base.

Coca-Cola quickly a stopped advertising "New Coke", stopped producing it, and even went so far as to get rid of a large portion of it instead of let it sit on shelves for a year. They did this because they wanted "New Coke" to be forgotten and plain old Coke customers to come back before those customers had been alienated long enough to switch to Royal Crown forever.

Today plain old Coca-Cola is doing just as well as it ever did and "New Coke" is all but completely forgotten.

My point: DA2 was "New Coke". EA knows it, BioWare knows it and they want to wipe the memory of DA2 quickly and as much as the lore will permit so they can try to produce a product that will measure up to DAO so they can get their old fanbase back. Having a product that sells well for over a year isn't just about money . . . it means it's a product people like.

Disclaimer: I once again am enjoying DA2. I like it. It's fun. It is, however, a very different game from DAO and I recognize trends outside my personal likes and dislikes.

doesnt change the fact that dragon age 2 still matters its story still needs to come into dragon age 3 otherwise the story will be a mess and i wouldnt go that far everyone in the world hated new coke not everyone in the world hate dragon age 2 and the sales for exalted march would have been good not great but good and  like hell are they gonna finish hawke off in dragon age 3 they said hawke is finished even though hes not but according to them he is if he appears and he sais a load of **** happened and it wasnt what i wanted my hawke to do im gonna be pissed

glad you liked da2 i did too and im playing it now but wont you be a bit pissed if they bring out this ending in a comic or at the beginning of da3 and you couldnt choose what happened or even play it out for yourself
oops double post my bad

Modifié par cloud39472, 11 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[aldien]

I agree with cloud39472. As I recall they said either they would try to give some closure to Hawke's story, and I emphasize some or they would start anew because of import problems. What I don't want is a quick wrap up for Hawke in the first five minutes of the game.

What I don't understand is why people whether DAO purists or just the average player would not want an expansion between now and DA3? It would be nice to experience more of the DA world while we wait. I get the impression people think the quality of DA3 will be so much better if an expansion is not made. It has absolutely nothing do with that. Comes down to ideas and implementation. An expansion in the meantime will not alter the outcome. Plus, I have a sneaky suspicion that they will not be utilizing a new engine for the next game. So... the framework is already there.

Biggest gripe: Why did they mention the cancellation of the expansion?

Modifié par aldien, 11 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[cloud39472]

exactly they may aswell have just not mentioned it at all i think its a big mistake they dropped it but hey what can we do?

[Urazz]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Thy will always have to cut corners, it's the nature of the business. They're just going to have to re-prioritise. We'll get unique areas, but other things will suffer. We might get less quests, for example.

Which I don't think anyone really minds that much about the loss of some sidequests.

[cloud39472]

Urazz wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Thy will always have to cut corners, it's the nature of the business. They're just going to have to re-prioritise. We'll get unique areas, but other things will suffer. We might get less quests, for example.

Which I don't think anyone really minds that much about the loss of some sidequests.

yeah id rather have some unique areas adds to the feel of the game instead of visiting the identically same place about 20 times

[IsleySilverlord]

cloud39472 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Thy will always have to cut corners, it's the nature of the business. They're just going to have to re-prioritise. We'll get unique areas, but other things will suffer. We might get less quests, for example.

Which I don't think anyone really minds that much about the loss of some sidequests.

yeah id rather have some unique areas adds to the feel of the game instead of visiting the identically same place about 20 times

I don't care about Go-There-Kill-This sidequests. Most of them are just not necessary and not even enjoyable.

[IsleySilverlord]

There was a time I wanted to play DA over Mass Effect. Dragon Age Origins was (for me) far better game than Mass Effect. The characters, the story, the world in general, the style.. I loved every single little part of it. Then Dragon Age II came out and everything fell apart. DA never felt the same, and I just focused on Mass Effect (Love it too, except ME3 endings.) .

DA2: Exalted Marches? Sounds good, but this game is just broken. I'd rather see them working hard on DA3, building up an epic story with the best they got : Morrigan, Flemeth, Grey Wardens, beautiful lands, races, mages, templars, epic battles, choices.

I don't care about best graphics : welcome, but not needed.
I don't care about best gameplay : welcome, but not needed.
I don't care about multiplayer: welcome, but not needed.

What I want is to feel what I felt as playing DA:Origins: I fell in love. In love with characters, with story, with lands, with all the different origins. It wasn't "a game". A world was created, I was allowed to get in and I never wanted to get out.

If Dragon Age III can do that, BioWare, I'll be yours again.

[cloud39472]

dragon age 2 isnt broken :/ its just not as good as origins to some people i think its better but thats me dragon age 2 is still vital to the series no matter what way you look at it its still a good game its not broken and i want to explore more dragon age while i wait for this supposedly epic dragon age 3

[Huntress]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Wish they would change their minds and make the expansion.....hell at this point, I would take just any kind of ending DLC.......I hated the fact that they released this information a week after me3. I was already in a terrible funk (couldn't even finish the game half way) from me3, and had actually gone back to a new Hawke, when they announced that they were putting DA2 to bed. Bah.......I need to stop putting all my RPG eggs in one basket.

Same here, I am so tired of lies and deceptions.

[Thalorin1919]

Urazz wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Thy will always have to cut corners, it's the nature of the business. They're just going to have to re-prioritise. We'll get unique areas, but other things will suffer. We might get less quests, for example.

Which I don't think anyone really minds that much about the loss of some sidequests.

It's a shame really.

I'm about to finish up another playthrough of DA2 and I really do enjoy the sidequests. Each of them would be more unique and memorable if they had their own environments, but maybe Bioware can make up for this by creating long and extending side quest lines rather than a bunch of them. 

[Ulicus]

Well, hey, BioWare have swapped out protagonists across expansions before (NWN -> SoU, with the possibility in DA:O -> DA:O-A)... so there's a chance we might get Hawke's "Act IV" in a DA3 expansion.

A pretty slim chance, admittedly, and I can't really imagine it happening... but I know I'd lap it up.