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A representative from Retake.org is giving an interview for an article that could potentially be published next week. As a team representing the movement, it's vital we get the community's feedback on the questions before going ahead and writing up an answer.

Don't feel you have to answer them all. Please make your answers as concise and clear as possible.

Not that it needs to be said to you lovely lot, but remember to keep it clean and keep it constructive.

There's not a lot of time to get this done. Be warned! You've got until Tomorrow (Friday) 19.00 PST / 22.00 EST.

1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.


a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

d.) Other:

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

Modifié par yesikareyes, 06 avril 2012 - 02:51 .


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Well done.
1) Find an outlet for the frustration and other negative emotions following the completion of Mass Effect 3. Also get proper endings.
2) No because it did not address the dramatic flaws in the storytelling, which were more significant to me than the plot holes and confusion.
3) Forbes has done a very fair job. Other sites, particularly gaming journalists seem to feel they have something to lose by siding with something against Bioware or EA.
4) The Indoctrination Theory is cool. Better than the ending as it is, however it has it's own problems. If the kid was trying to trick you, why would he even offer the choice to destroy the Reapers? Less plot-hole riddled than the Space Magic though.
5) b.) Focus on what they've offered us and try and make sure they don't blow it. The fight isn't over, this is just step one.
6) Consensus is difficult to achieve with this many organics.

Modifié par JohnShepard12, 06 avril 2012 - 02:47 .


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6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?[/quote]


1. Getting back a sense of the power and ownership I lost when I finished ME3.

2. Not particularly.

3. Forbes was, at first, the only sympathetic outlet. Everyone else considered us entitled fanboys who were stereotypical gamers in our parents' basement. I, for one, am female, 22, and living in my own apartment in Boston.

4. I partially ascribe to it? I just believe it's the best way for BW to salvage this and their fan base. I will forgive for it.

5. A. I believe we need to continue to hold the line. It is my belief that RME has ushered in a new era of video gaming, where the companies realize that they can't pull things like this off without repercussions. Aspects of video games may be art, yes, but you won't sell very many if you put that above your consumers.  I feel like it's been a long time coming. 

6. I do. I don't like it when people say "The Organizer of Retake Mass Effect" because there really isn't one. That's just one person. The rest of us put in our own input. It's confusing, but I think we're mostly unified in our discontent. 

Hope this helps. 

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
To see the ending of mass effect 3 expanded or changed.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
I am glad that Bioware is doing something, but I am skeptical of the results.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
I think that the media bias was that we are whiny, entitled gamers, but this was based on their ignorance. Most media who has finished the game has come to agree with us to some extent.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I believe that it is plausible, but unlikely to be true. I do believe that Bioware could use it as a good explanation.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.
b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?
I feel that it is fairly successful yes. Without a strong, clear message, we wouldn't have gotten this far, even.

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1) Get endings that make sense, are significantly varied (more than just a color swap), incorporates the decisions we've made across all three games, and give closure.
2) That depends on how it turns out.
3) Simple, the media basically calling us whiny entitled brats, when what we are is basically a consumer advocate group.
4) I'm not sure I subscribe to it, but I do think it's probably the most plausible way for Bioware to get out of it, and it would add some closure as well as some interesting final game play elements (friends morphing into husks for example.)
5) Again, that depends on how the "Extended Cut" ends. If it is satisfying for the four things I mentioned in answer 1, then c,) if the "Clarification" from the "Extended Cut" doesn't fulfill those things then a.).

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1.) I hoped to get the endings changed and have plotholes addressed and get Bioware and EA to see that they couldn't sell me this and call it finished product.

2.) No, I am not satisfied at all. "Are we going to change the ending? No." Direct insult to why I joined the cause.

3.) In many different ways. We are called entitled, whiners, and those are the kind names. They make us seem immature and greedy. We get mocked a bit for the cupcakes. Some are making us out to be a joke. This is a serious consumer rights issue.

4.) I don't agree with IT, and no I don't think it's a plausible way at all. I think we should ignore that and change the endings to make sense, close up loose ends and resolve the story. Without plotholes.

5.) I choose choice a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten. That's what I want. What we want. Why I signed up. Why we've all put so much effort into this. I don't want to be "thrown a bone" and call it a day. Compromise is advisable, but not to this degree. They are refusing what we want: demand a better ending. Not clarity for the one we got.

6.) Being governed by consensus is the only way we can do this. 60k+ voices? I think it's successful, but do we have some other way to do it in a reasonable speed?

Modifié par Demon King Oda, 06 avril 2012 - 02:58 .


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yesikareyes wrote...

A representative from Retake.org is giving an interview for an article that could potentially be published next week. As a team representing the movement, it's vital we get the community's feedback on the questions before going ahead and writing up an answer.

Don't feel you have to answer them all. Please make your answers as concise and clear as possible. 

Not that it needs to be said to you lovely lot, but remember to keep it clean and keep it constructive.

There's not a lot of time to get this done. Be warned! You've got until Tomorrow (Friday) 19.00 PST / 22.00 EST.

1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.


a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

d.) Other:

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

 
  • I wanted a better ending; a total rewrite of Starchild (where he is not a Reaper AI controlling the Citadel, because that doesn't make sense), and the the choices of Destroy/Control/Synthesis changed because they are silly and a ripoff of other games.
  • I'm not satisfied with the extended cut announcement. The ending was too flawed to fix with clarification.
  • The media needs to hear our message along side Bioware's and it's pandering friends.
  • I don't cotton to indoctrination theory, but if others like it I can deal.
  • RetakeGaming! A website dedicated to reviewing, rating, and watch-dogging the gaming industry.                         a.) yes                                                                                                                                                                                 b.) yes                                                                                                                                                                                 c.) no                                                                                                                                                                                   d.) Save Syria with our mighty blog powers
  • Consensus only works if we can reach it. Learn to enjoy the art of compromise.

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 06 avril 2012 - 03:02 .


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1. I joined to express my dissatisfaction with the ending. I hoped for, but did not expect, some sort of change.

2. I am not satisfied with the announcement. I will however withhold full reaction until I see the DLC.

3. I feel like entitled has been inappropriately thrown around. I think there has been over representation of a desire for a "happy" ending rather than a logically consistent and satisfying ending.

4. I don't subscribe to the idea that it was the original intent, but think it is probably the best way to fix the ending.

5. I think the community should stick together, support charity and continue to express dissatisfaction with the ending as is. I think a further message to bioware should be composed upon receipt of the DLC.

6. I think consensus is fine. I'm not sure it can be judged as successful or unsuccessful as I have seen no particular sign of governing.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
New endings from Bioware, or a complete overhaul of the current ones.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
Kind of. I wanted new endings, but I that would take a lot more time and money then they can probably give. This seems like a decent compromise, but I am adopting a wait-and-see policy for now. I am annoyed they are still hiding behind 'artistic integrity' and other such nonsense.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
Many view us as whiny, entitled idiots who hate art. They then completely ignore the faults of the ending, and hide behind "It's Art!"

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I was convinced after seeing the video on youtube. There are a few inconsistencies, but nothing that can't be easily fixed. I think it's a perfect path for Bioware to escape this mess. Really, they couldn't have a better setup if they tried.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.
b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content
I think we should wait and see. Nothing more can really be said until the DLC comes out. We need to make sure Bioware understands this is their last chance. I will walk if this DLC isn't amazing, and I know many others will as well.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?
Democracy, where the majority rule. It gets out point across, I have nothing against it.

Modifié par Palidane, 06 avril 2012 - 02:58 .


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yesikareyes wrote...

1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.[/b]

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

d.) Other:

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?


1) I never considered myself a part of it, but merely a person who agrees with the movement. To gain ending that fits ME1 and ME2 instead of one that makes ME1 into nothing more than a 25-hour long plothole.

2) Yes and no. I am happy that it is free, not happy that it most likely will not address a single plothole or fix the trilogy's destroyed narrative cohesion; beyond that, I withold judgement until I play it myself.

3) It has been misrepresented by a bunch of idiots calling us whiney little babies just because those being immature little brats were in the minority within our supposed "group". Also been misrepresented as a true group; we are not a group, we are merely a collective of individuals.

4) I do believe it is a great way out for BioWare to keep their ending and expand upon it and would likely enjoy the twist as it also makes Shepard human as opposed to being super-human.

5) I never was a part of the movement, they can do what they want. Hopefully the movement becomes more along the lines of a movement fighting against video game companies and their constant exploitation of customers.
I support A, B, or D (what I wrote just before this sentance).

6) I am fine with it; Democracy, majority rules.

Modifié par aLucidMind, 06 avril 2012 - 03:02 .


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Anything that doesn't adopt the phrase "hold the wallet."

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1. I joined after seeing I was not the only one not satisfied with the end of the product. I also joined in an attempt to try to find a civil way to make it clear to Bioware, we were not happy at all.
2. At first I was FURIOUS with the announcement. I was hoping they would of actually listened to us and just go along with the indoctrination theory that the fans practically wrote for them.
3. Im annoyed at it but what makes me really upset is Bioware is going along with it. Calling us a "vocal minority" seems like a cheap way to undermine our thoughts and opinions and them calling their product art is laughable now. Did DaVinci sell  Mona Lisa's smile separate from the rest of the painting?
4. It is a very sound theory and if Bioware ( I know doubt they do) shows to us that they had planned this all along it would be brilliant
5. I think a combination of 1 and 2 would be good to show resilience for our dissatisfaction and depending on this cutscene plays out, our dissatisfaction for this band-aid to a gushing wound.
:ph34r:

Modifié par jtrook, 06 avril 2012 - 03:04 .


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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
I wanted to lend my voice to other voices in the hopes of pursuading BioWare to see just how much we love this franchise, to see exactly how the ending went wrong, and to provide a new ending that is a worthy end to the rest of the series.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
No, the end is fundamentally flawed, and making it bigger will not fix that.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
We are not "entitled whiners", we are passionate fans who wish to see the full potential of this series realized.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I do not think that Indoctrination is what they intended with the ending. I think it is possible that it was meant to be in there at some point, but was removed for some reason. I do believe that it provides BioWare a great out to provide a new, quality ending.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:
I will continue to argue for this, as this is the only solution that I personally will accept. However, I do not believe it will happen, and have begun the mourning process of a 10 year relationship, including cancelling all active subscriptions. I cannot say that I will never buy another EA/BioWare game, but at this point, I certainly don't feel like I will want to.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?
It makes it difficult to provide a united front with a single set of goals, since there is no formal leader, no formal election process of what it is we truly hope to accomplish.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
An ending that a) took player choices into account as more than bits of an abstract number, B) gave closure on the fates of our squad, LI and allies, and c) could vary between tragedy and triumph.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
No. I feel trying to make sense of illogical endings is doomed to be an exercise in frustration for everyone. While the DLC might give closure on the fates of our squad it won't address player choices or provide more variety in the endings.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
As entitled whiners who want to dictate the ending. I know Bioware can come up with a truly beautiful ending if the writing goes through internal peer-review. I just want Shepard to get the Mordin Solus treatment.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I think it is a plausible way of making sense of the given endings and offering a new avenue to explore.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel
free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:
b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:

I think "a" in the guise of "b" would work best. Instead of outright "rejecting" the token DLC and being seen as ungrateful, we should take it and say "clarifying that IT is true is a great way to go!" In the meantime, we should continue holding the line. Bioware is hoping this announcement will bring back buyers of MP packs and swag. If those dollars are obviously contingent on them producing a satisfying DLC, that will give them the incentive they need to put real work into it.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?
Inefficient, but most likely to create a tent big enough for most to fit under, so the best option for us.

Modifié par Shinobu, 06 avril 2012 - 03:24 .


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1. Being Shepard as doing what is deserved and what is promised.
2. Yes and no.
Yes: free DLC.
No: not meeting up with the promises. Keeping the A, B, C ending. Keeping where the player is going need to play online to get the "perfect" ending.
3. The media hasn't played ME1 and 2. Those on the 360 and PC have played those 2 games. The media may think we don't know what we are talking about. What the media forgets is; if those are the endings; Could they explain how do our allies return to there planets if A, B, C endings end up something happening to the Mass Relays? Maybe they can answer that.
4. The theory stands up. It makes better sense but still a kick in the nuts to be told "its a dream".
5. Battle is won but the war isn't over. choice a... This minor win of the battle is another PR move. Still no apology for nearly a month. Still keeping the A, B, C endings, still needing Multiplayer to get the perfect ending.
6. Not yet. The stunt Bioware proved is saying they are no different than other gaming companys to promise so much but get little of it. With this Extended Cut is them trying to save face so people can pre-order  the DA3 game.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

I just want ME3 to be the game it was meant to be. I want the end of the trilogy to be a proper end of the trilogy. Most of all I want a proper ending so we can all go back to talking about all the other awesome stuff that ME3 has to offer.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

No. Not at all. Expanding on the horrible endings still leaves you with horrible endings. They're just wasting time and resources on something no one really wants. In simple terms, they're trying to polish a turd. Sure it can be done, but in the end you still have a ball of turd in your hands.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

The term entitled whiners has been used a lot. It's completely inaccurate. People weren't whining about the ME3 endings, they were seriously hurt and appauled by them. And we've been expressing our oppinions as such. We've been respectful about it and we recognize we aren't due anything. The difference is what we want is for the benefit of BioWare themselves and the Mass Effect franchise.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

No. Absolutely not, it's a horrible idea born out of desperation. It's a sad, sad state that people hate the endings so much they are going this far to pretend it didn't happen. It's a horrible way to deal with the endings.

If they want to keep their original ending intact then do so, but provide players an option to unlock a 4th additional ending that begins denying the very premise of the current endings.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten
Their claim of "artisitc integrity" is insulting. Claiming that we didn't enjoy the ending simply because we need it explained to us like children.

Wrong. We understand the ending perfectly, even if you close up all the plot holes the ending is still WRONG. And you as a company and a developer are WRONG for continuing to support it. But most of all you are completely WRONG for holding the mentality that you can't possibly be wrong.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

It seems to be working so far. What matters is that we keep moving forward.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

I hoped to be given closure to the series and have some of the plot holes taken care of.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

Yes, I am very satisfied that we are getting this. I hope it will address the team getting onto the Normandy and add closure to all of our questions.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

I believe that the media has taken an unfortunate stance against the core of the games industry - the fan and the consumer. It isn't journalists that make games companies, it's the masses. It's unfortunate that it appears most media outlets appear to be of a holier-than-thou mind set as if their jobs have placed them on a pedestal above the average gamer, and it's a shame. What happened to objective and facts only reporting? It appears gamers were only worth broad generalization and judgements based on little investigation from most news sites.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?


I do not. I think it's contrived.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?


Yes. Fans have been heard and the consumer united to stand up as a whole. Together we altered the course of Bioware's DLC initiatives and received a direct answer and momentum for change.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

I wanted to affirm my hopes that Bioware would go great lengths for their adoring fans and most important customers. I have always praised Bioware for their ability to produce just very well done games and to see the ending of ME3 breaks my heart because I know they could have done better. I wanted to see Bioware live up to the precedent it set for itself.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

No. Not yet anyways. I am willing to wait and see what Bioware will do. I'm not looking for closer so much as a well developed and complete story. The previous ending left us with nothing but frustration and questions. I was expecting an ending that would resolve everything, something I could look back on and say, "Wow, they pulled it off,"

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

From what I've read, we've been portrayed as either entitled brats or silly internet fanboys (and girls) that have nothing better to do. I've also read the claims about our disorganization and lack of structure, but I'm excited to know that we aren't just another internet protest, we have order, we have focus, we know that we want change and we're pushing for it.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

I think it's plausible. It would have been awesome if Bioware pulled it off and even more fantastic if they did it on purpose. But even if the Indoctrination Theory is true, the ending is still the same for everyone, indoctrinated or not. The plotholes remain and the resolution resembles either a brickwall or a cliff as opposed to a gaze into the sunset.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:
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a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

I will continue to hold out until I'm sure that Bioware can deliver what their fans want instead of what they want. They've sought our feedback thus far, it would be devastating to see them shrink back now.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

It's worked out well enough so far, but I'm not a geth...

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?


To get a more satisfying conclusion to a series that we've all been hooked on for five years. The existing ending felt like the writers were trying too hard to be artsy or edgy, rather than tying up the story in a fashion that was both satisfying and made sense. The existing ending feels as if it is the ending for some other series that has been edited into Mass Effect. It is just a very poor fit thematically.



2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

Not at all. This is an example of a company pretending to respond to consumer complaints, while actually doing nothing. The endings are going to remain unchanged, they are just getting additional cinematics to clarify the writers intent. Bioware just feels completely out of touch at this point --- as if the hate for the endings was because we couldn't understand their brilliance, rather than just hating them because they sucked.



3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?


A few outlets have focused on the more fanatic elements, or have portrayed us all as entitled whiners. But that is to be expected when some of these so called journalists are also nothing more than shills for developers. (I'm looking at you IGN)



4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

No, and Yes.



5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.


d.) Other: Unfortunately I think the movement is done. Bioware isn't listening and the endings will remain unchanged. So at this point the goal should no longer be to get the endings changed, as that simply isn't in the cards. But we all need to still 'hold the line' on not purchasing any paid DLC from Bioware, and in not preordering any future games from Bioware. If Bioware chooses to ignore the fans, let them feel the impact in their bottom line.


6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

It is an imperfect solution, but it works better than the alternative.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 avril 2012 - 06:31 .


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HanarSandwich

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 1) I was hoping that BioWare will acknowledge they made a mistake and will incorporate an ending worthy of the series.

2) No I am not. The current endings are riddled with plot holes and make no sense overall in the established lore. BioWare wants to "clarify", but IMO they can't possibly clarify this whole mess without creating more questions than they'll answer.

3) IMO the only objective source on the matter was Forbes. I can't possibly fathom the mockery and attacks we were exposed to by 90% of gaming magazines, considering that everything we wanted was to get what we were promised multiple times before ME3 launched.

4) Can't deny it somehow makes sense but it doubt it was BioWare's intention. I think it's just our wishful thinking.

5) A! Bring back the Dark energy!

6) Yes. I'm in awe that 60k people are speaking almost in unison. It's something amazing.

Modifié par HanarSandwich, 06 avril 2012 - 06:48 .


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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

Hopefully to have Bioware listen to the issues we have with their current endings and how they misrepresented the endings prior to release.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

Depends on how its done. Seeing as how we all came together because of the endings, simply explaining away all the plotholes, lore inconsistencies, and lack of player choice playing into it with an extended cutscene  would probably do more harm than good for me.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

Well to me the gaming websites cant bite the hand that feeds them so I dont blame them. Otherwise Its varied.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

I think it is fans giving Bioware too much credit honestly, I dont think the same people that thought up the starchild and anyone that understands first grade logic could see his reasoning had some problems with it, could in turn weave such a interesting angle into the story.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.[/b]


b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:


They have drawn a line in the sand metaphorically speaking and we have to be willing to continue crossing that line and pushing for a satisfying conclusion to the games we as fans love so much.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

I think coming to a consensus is needed. We are all equals in the world of RGBImage IPB.

Modifié par Spanky Magoo, 06 avril 2012 - 06:57 .


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tenojitsu

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
A new ending
2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
Only if the extended cut takes into account past decisions. I want multilple cutscenes for each ending based on players past choices. If it is still A,B,C, it will be a total failure.
3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
We've been described as entitled childen when in fact we are being passionate, responsible consumers. Video games are a product made for players. You cant tell them one thing and deliver the exact opposite and get away with it,
4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
IT would be a great out for BioWare at this point.
5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:
Would be best, but I dont think EA/BioWare will ever go for it at this point.
b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:
Probably best to focus on making sure that the upcoming DLC is well done. It needs take into account past choices made throughout the series. A simple slap on addition wont satisfy anyone.
c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

d.) Other:

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

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Thank you for the replies so far, please spread the word!

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1. To get the proper endings that were promised for almost an year ago. 

2. No, mainly because it fixes nothing and because BIoWare just announced it, gave almost no details except that it is free and will get to us in summer and because they refuse to talk about it PAX. It's almost as if they just announced it to shut us up, I feel like we're being treated like morons. 

3. They think we're a bunch of agitators and entitled gamers, but I say that if I pay for someone's game shouldn't I have some input on how things will work out especially if Casey Hudson said "this is your story" way back in 2006 even before ME1 was released.E3 2006

4. No I never believed in it, I wish it were true but I don't think BioWare was ever thinking that they would have to deal with a mess this size, it seems too risky for them to do that. It doesn't matter to me what they do to fix the ending as long as it isn't worse than what happened.

5. I think they should continue to hold the line but we'll see what this DLC does.

6. I'm fine with it as long as my ideas are within that consensus. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 06 avril 2012 - 02:59 .