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#26
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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

-Endings that took my previous choices into account, and that left out the godchild and A, B, C options.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

-Yes and no. I'm glad that Bioware is showing that they are listening to the fans, but I don't believe they've come up with the right solution. I don't want 'clarity' for what we have now, I want endings that fit the overall themes of Mass Effect, not ones that forced the 'organics vs synthetics' explanations onto us at the last possible minute.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

-A lot of people seem to think that we're 'whiny' and 'entitled'. While this is a case for SOME of the members, most of us just want to see an actual conclusion to our journey. Unfortunately, 'whiny and entitled gamers' generally get more attention than their civilized counterparts.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

-I support the Indoctrination Theory. In fact, if BioWare were to work it in, not only would a majority of the fanbase be satisfied, but it would serve as a great example of collaboration between game developers and fans.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:
       -While I am grateful that BioWare is trying to please the fans, as I stated above, I feel they're going about it the wrong way.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

-I feel that consensus has, so far, proven successful. A lot of fans were able to come together over a common issue and voice their opinions in a civil manner.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
A chance to be heard, a symbol to my voice against the disgraceful butchering of the mass effect series. The ending was my breaking point, the part of the entire series that screamed errors and plot holes - the part where closure is needed but none is given. The part where my ability to respect the story and appreciate the "art" and its creators...dies.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
No. Its a pity offering, an "oh fine, lets teh crybabies have their bottles". Thats the vibe Im recieving from the media and bioware/EA PR. And afer screwing up their first and only chance to end the series (cause theyre not going to change it apparently, your loss bioware) - why would this one matter?

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
As a bunch of low-life crybabies who didn't get their happily ever after's? ... As a minority who just didn't get the ending? ... I feel outraged, insulted. I feel its not the retakers who don't get it, it's the media. I find their responses ignorant, foolish - very few actually dive deep into the matter and take the time to understand whats really going on.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I would like to. I think it would have been a neat way to do things but would require more than just changing the ending, I think. But such a thing has all ready been claimed a "could have been" and ultimately never made the cut

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten: I think this would be futile.

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content: Your best bet would be this. But again that lingering word futile comes to mind.

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise: No /sten

d.) Other: I think bioware stopped caring awhile ago. To long time fans, to everything they once stood for. They were just anxious to see this trilogy ended, so determined to end shepard's story and rush this game out that...they lost their identiy, they lost the integrity we adored. I honestly think this movement is near death - if not done. Bioware will not listen, they will claim they are but they do not and will not comprehend - artistic integrity being what it is... Beating a dead horse now.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?
Its worked all right, still reckless in some venues (mob mentality lynch mobs on the BSN - not cool)

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bump!

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?
I wanted the ending reworked to be a fitting end to the franchise, so I can replay through the entire trilogy multiple times as I had originally planned. I wanted a completely different ending, basically.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?
I have mixed feelings. I did want more closure, but I did not want clarification, I wanted changed endings. It has been made clear that the endings won't be changed, and while I hope they can, I don't think Bioware's writers will make the starchild and the A, B, C endings palatable to me.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?
Retake ME3 is consistently misrepresented in the media as a minority, which it is not, and as entitled fans, instead of what we really are; customers who have all the right to complain about what they see as a lack of quality, and customers who have all the right to withdraw further patronage from a company.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?
I want to believe, but I don't believe Bioware intended it. It is a decent way out for them, I think. I'd be happy if they took this route.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced? Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.
b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content: The fallout from continuing our ending campaign in the media would be devastating to the cause. EA played this one well in that complaining now until summer will make us seem entirely unreasonable. Instead we should focus on being as persuasive as possible about what we want to see in the DLC.

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yesikareyes wrote...

1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

I deliberately did not join because my style is more confrontatative and aggressive than would be palatable to most of the Retakers. I have however chimed in with support, defense and ideas. My support was originally given in the hope of applying pressure to Bioware to give us an ending that made some kind of sense. Now my support is given in the hope that Retake can become the forerunne for an actual "gamers ombudsman" or "quality controller" of gaming in general. A consumer organisation. Other business have it. Gaming has not. Its about time.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

-No. Its not directed at the needs and wishes of the fans. Its simply a PR stunt to diffuse the "Retake" and dissattisfied client base. Its aimed at the Magazines and shareholders of EA to "prove" that they are doing something. They are doing the absolute minium and not releasing it till summer. Im not even sure that it will be released at all if every DLC between now and then bums out fiscally. If DLC doesnt sell between now and "summer", Im betting that the DLC will not happen.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

-Amused. Because its a knee-jerk reaction that every business in the history of business has gone through when the customer base tried to organize. Any such organisations might set demands and get regulations that holds the gaming industry to business standards for good conduct it can currently ignore at will.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

- a)No. b)Yes its a plausible way but its not in any way shape or form particularily ingenious or amazing. It will do the trick however.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

-a) Retake has to keep up the pressure, and keep up member steam and gusto to apply pressure to Bioware. If they falter now, the entire effort will have been for nought. It should not relent till its goals are met, and if said goals are not met they should keep lobbying for increased gamer influence in the industry. By way of a "gamer ombudsman" or something to that effect.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

-Im not a member, so really I have no say, but being governed by consensus is the only way to go if gamers want to present a united front toward the industry.

And yes I feel "Retake" has been very successfull. It has employed innovative moves in activism (Employing charity) and it has proven that Gamers can unite to bring about change and force a gaming studio to recognize their concerns. I think we will see alot more of this in the future.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 06 avril 2012 - 08:56 .


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1. i hoped to get ME3's ending changed

2.  No, there is much more needed.

3. Well, most of the media has been insulting retake since it started, i believe that they are in EA's pocket or something like that.

4.Yes, it would be a perfect explanation

5. Retake as a whole wanted more than clarification, so that is what it will seek to get. So, kinda B then A.

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

I want BioWare to finish the series with the same strength that has characterized the Mass Effect games and to follow through on their promises about the ending to ME3.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

I'm giving BioWare the benefit of the doubt...but very cautiously. This announcement was clearly not optimal but it's still a gesture from BioWare. We'll see what kind of gesture.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

We have been labeled as being primarily childish, spoiled, entitled, whiny, kids with no lives, no respect of art, and no real love for BioWare. As demonstrated by the members of the group, these assertions are false for the majority.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

I believe that there's enough evidence to indicate that BioWare may have intended something along those lines originally, but as the game stands it still has too many holes in it. If BioWare keeps the ending exactly the same but only adds cinematics to it, then IT would be one of the easiest ways for them to go.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?

HOLD THE LINE. Announcements and results are far different, and to ease up now, before we've even seen what the Extended Cut really offers, would kill our momentum in the event that the DLC is just more of the same. Now, if the DLC does a good enough job wrapping up the problems with the ending, I'd say it would be wise to shift our focus from re-writing.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

People love being governed by consensus...as long as they agree with that consensus. With that said, a movement that is almost entirely internet-based needs to reign in all the wildly different voices and present a unified statement which represents as many of us as possible. It's success depends on those leading and those following, but so far I feel it's been successful.

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I think it's time you lot stop trying to damage the sales and the reputation of a franchise and company you claim to be fans off and just GTFO now tbh.

Modifié par Justin2k, 06 avril 2012 - 08:57 .


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Justin2k wrote...

I think it's time you lot stop trying to damage the sales and the reputation of a franchise and company you claim to be fans off and just f off now tbh.


Inc Derail attempt. Ignore the troll.

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Justin2k wrote...

I think it's time you lot stop trying to damage the sales and the reputation of a franchise and company you claim to be fans off and just GTFO now tbh.


How are we damaging sales and reputation when we are actively pursuing a method to communicate our concerns in a civil manner? We are trying to meet Bioware in the middle. You don't know how much effort it takes to promote civility nowadays.

Please, everyone has the right to voice out their opinions... your voice included. Don't deny others the right by possibly getting this thread locked. Have a good day Earth-clan! :)

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yesikareyes wrote...

Please, everyone has the right to voice out their opinions... your voice included. Don't deny others the right by possibly getting this thread locked.


Uh...dont you have your own website to conduct these little get togethers on?

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Hey yesikareyes,

Who exactly are you representing and who are you talking to about the Retake movement?
The only person I've been able to contact so far is the spokesperson and creator of the group....are you claiming to be that person?

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If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.
There is no one leader, although there are many amazing community voices within all the different groups representing #retakemasseffect - from BSN, Retake.org, HTL, Twitter, Facebook, Deviantart, Reddit, etc.
There is no one leader or person in charge. Every voice in this movement that calls for change as a singular unified voice matters. The purpose of this feedback thread is so that Bioware can see what fans of mass effect feel in response to their announcement, and so that every voice is represented if the movement decides to respond.
Let's stand together on this like we have from day one.

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kihten wrote...

If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.


You mean the entire community of ME3 players, or the entire community of Retakers?

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kihten wrote...

If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.
There is no one leader, although there are many amazing community voices within all the different groups representing #retakemasseffect - from BSN, Retake.org, HTL, Twitter, Facebook, Deviantart, Reddit, etc.
There is no one leader or person in charge. Every voice in this movement that calls for change as a singular unified voice matters. The purpose of this feedback thread is so that Bioware can see what fans of mass effect feel in response to their announcement, and so that every voice is represented if the movement decides to respond.
Let's stand together on this like we have from day one.


Understood but from a journalistic point of view, an indivdiual has claimed to be interview within an article without knowing who they are, how they are associated with the group, or what they have done.

With the unoffical spokesperson I've talked to. You know who he who, you know who is accountable too. Agreed every movement has different voices, so if you claim to be contrary to Eric then please do say so...

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AlanC9 wrote...

kihten wrote...

If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.


You mean the entire community of ME3 players, or the entire community of Retakers?


yeah this group doesn't speak for everyone

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Faust1979 wrote...

yeah this group doesn't speak for everyone


No one speaks for everyone, even the FB guy. That's just an impossibility with a group this size. Now perhaps instead of nitpicking something as riddiculous as who's "officially" in charge we should direct our energy towards how we can use this article to help Retake as a whole. Just sayin...

Modifié par Clarissant, 06 avril 2012 - 09:53 .


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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

Confirmation. I wanted my emotions to somehow be labeled, through a group, so that I could handle them easier. Additionally, I saw the ending(s) as unworthy of this franchise.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

No. "Clarification" implies (and has been confirmed by BioWare themselves) that they are pleased with how the franchise has ended, but as "some of the fans" have shown uncomfort (basicly the entire community has gone rouge) they think we simply misunderstand the endings, which is stupid. This would mean that they failed to adress the true meaning of this "perfect ending" to an entire community. The people that I have seen who are pro-ending have basicly claimed that it makes sence because of the simple fact that "we should have expected Shepard to sacrifice himself", which is a misinterpretation of our demands.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

Mostly because they see us as a minority, but also since many tend to see us as spoiled and not able to accept a simply "sad ending". I believe you have to have a personal experience as a basis before you state any opinions on our movement.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

I find the Indoctrination Theory to be fascinating, and frankly, I love it. I shows that, even though BioWare did not intend to implement it to their current ending, this franchise is the biggest piece of fiction ever created. People are spending entire days, just looking for factors that might support the prospect that the endings are untrue, which I want them to be. It's the best thing BioWare could possibly go for at this juncture in time, but I believe they think too highly of their "artistic integrity" to ever consider that being the truth.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?

A and B. As much as I still want us to stay at out cause and NOT swallow anything that can be considered a cheap trick from the developers, we must show that we respect BioWare's partial awareness to our demands. I do not believe this can be what we have fought so hard to achieve, but it IS a step forward. However, I WILL stand my ground and Hold The Line further if it yet shows that this Extended Cut is indeed not what we wish for.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?

The fact that we have formed this massive movement is only a positive matter. I see nothing ill in what it has accomplished. I am proud to say, "I am Legion, for we are many".

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Clarissant wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

yeah this group doesn't speak for everyone


No one speaks for everyone, even the FB guy. That's just an impossibility with a group this size. Now perhaps instead of nitpicking something as riddiculous as who's "officially" in charge we should direct our energy towards how we can use this article to help Retake as a whole. Just sayin...


what the retake group should do is take this stuff to their own site so people who are annoyed with it don't have to put up with them clogging the boards

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AlanC9 wrote...

kihten wrote...

If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.


You mean the entire community of ME3 players, or the entire community of Retakers?


To clarify- this article is to represent the voice of #retakemasseffect in particular, not supposed to speak for every Mass Effect player.
Although I do think it's good chance to remember that we should all respect all views (like gamers who liked the ending) even if they differ from our own.
This article however, is specifically about #Retake

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kihten wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

kihten wrote...

If an article happens it will be representing the ENTIRE community- not any one group. Which is why we are taking feedback from the entire community as a whole.


You mean the entire community of ME3 players, or the entire community of Retakers?


To clarify- this article is to represent the voice of #retakemasseffect in particular, not supposed to speak for every Mass Effect player.
Although I do think it's good chance to remember that we should all respect all views (like gamers who liked the ending) even if they differ from our own.
This article however, is specifically about #Retake


Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?

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Faust1979 wrote...

what the retake group should do is take this stuff to their own site so people who are annoyed with it don't have to put up with them clogging the boards


I'm sorry you feel that way. Retake is a vast group and I think the OP just wants to make sure everyone has a chance to be heard.

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yesikareyes wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I think it's time you lot stop trying to damage the sales and the reputation of a franchise and company you claim to be fans off and just GTFO now tbh.


How are we damaging sales and reputation when we are actively pursuing a method to communicate our concerns in a civil manner? We are trying to meet Bioware in the middle. You don't know how much effort it takes to promote civility nowadays.

Please, everyone has the right to voice out their opinions... your voice included. Don't deny others the right by possibly getting this thread locked. Have a good day Earth-clan! :)


Bargaining?  The third stage of the five stages of grief... Next comes depression, then acceptance. 

But you seem a nice person, I apologise for the offence and good luck with whatever it is you do.

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Capone666 

Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?


With all due respect, I think this is an entirely separate topic & you're derailing the thread.
If this is something you'd like to discuss, and you're not just trolling- start a separate thread.

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Justin2k wrote...

Bargaining?  The third stage of the five stages of grief... Next comes depression, then acceptance. 

But you seem a nice person, I apologise for the offence and good luck with whatever it is you do.


Thank you for understanding! :)