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#51
Capone666

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kihten wrote...

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Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?


With all due respect, I think this is an entirely separate topic & you're derailing the thread.
If this is something you'd like to discuss, and you're not just trolling- start a separate thread.


I apologize if you feel that way, I mean no disrespect but I do think it's important to note. If there are different factions within that all claim to TRY and represent the wants and needs of the group it's important to know. Who these people are, how much of the fanbase they claim to represent, what is their reach of message and if there is an internal conflict...

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Capone666 wrote...

kihten wrote...

Capone666 

Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?


With all due respect, I think this is an entirely separate topic & you're derailing the thread.
If this is something you'd like to discuss, and you're not just trolling- start a separate thread.


I apologize if you feel that way, I mean no disrespect but I do think it's important to note. If there are different factions within that all claim to TRY and represent the wants and needs of the group it's important to know. Who these people are, how much of the fanbase they claim to represent, what is their reach of message and if there is an internal conflict...


You need to understand that a lot of the members of this movement are active across multiple different sites and social media platforms so no one represents one set in stone, distinct group of people. We honnestly couldn't sit here and say we represent 10k fans or 100k fans and the same goes for any other group within Retake, including the Facebook one.

That said, as Kihten has already stated we would be happy to discuss this with you further but right now we would like to focus on this initiative. If you wish to contact us our contact info is on the site or you can reach us on HTL. Thanks! :)

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Clarissant wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

kihten wrote...

Capone666 

Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?


With all due respect, I think this is an entirely separate topic & you're derailing the thread.
If this is something you'd like to discuss, and you're not just trolling- start a separate thread.


I apologize if you feel that way, I mean no disrespect but I do think it's important to note. If there are different factions within that all claim to TRY and represent the wants and needs of the group it's important to know. Who these people are, how much of the fanbase they claim to represent, what is their reach of message and if there is an internal conflict...


You need to understand that a lot of the members of this movement are active across multiple different sites and social media platforms so no one represents one set in stone, distinct group of people. We honnestly couldn't sit here and say we represent 10k fans or 100k fans and the same goes for any other group within Retake, including the Facebook one.

That said, as Kihten has already stated we would be happy to discuss this with you further but right now we would like to focus on this initiative. If you wish to contact us our contact info is on the site or you can reach us on HTL. Thanks! :)


Noted but I do think it's important the public is aware of these answer not just me. In the OP it seems to indicate that they are trying to ask for the opinion of Retake fans...yet this questionary is not on the offical RetakeME3 facebook page...How can you possibly hope to find a true consensus if you will, while not accounting for 90% of the collective group? I don't seek to derail this post, just trying to find clarity....

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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

To either get the endings changed, SpaceChildAI removed and replaced with endings where our choices from the previous games plus the collected war assets actually matter on the outcome (happy, good, neutral, bad, terrible) or, at the very least, additional choices included that would lead to a completely different outcome again based on choices and war assets without SpaceChildAI.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

Not at all. You cannot clarify or even justify what's broken and completely out of place.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

It showed to me that a lot of the so called game journalists didn't even bother to do a deeper research on the topic and just jumped to conclusions in order to get attention. Of course there are always black sheep but you cannot judge a group on the actions of a few.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

Partially... the IT has valid points but also flaws. However, it would provide a plausible way out of this mess in my opinion, so yes.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

I will continue to hold the line by voting with my wallet. Not just payDLC but also future Bioware games.

Modifié par Shin-Anubis, 06 avril 2012 - 10:42 .


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Capone666 wrote...

Clarissant wrote...

Capone666 wrote...

kihten wrote...

Capone666 

Is Retakemasseffect.org at odds with the comments made by the organizer of the RetakeMe3 movement?


With all due respect, I think this is an entirely separate topic & you're derailing the thread.
If this is something you'd like to discuss, and you're not just trolling- start a separate thread.


I apologize if you feel that way, I mean no disrespect but I do think it's important to note. If there are different factions within that all claim to TRY and represent the wants and needs of the group it's important to know. Who these people are, how much of the fanbase they claim to represent, what is their reach of message and if there is an internal conflict...


You need to understand that a lot of the members of this movement are active across multiple different sites and social media platforms so no one represents one set in stone, distinct group of people. We honnestly couldn't sit here and say we represent 10k fans or 100k fans and the same goes for any other group within Retake, including the Facebook one.

That said, as Kihten has already stated we would be happy to discuss this with you further but right now we would like to focus on this initiative. If you wish to contact us our contact info is on the site or you can reach us on HTL. Thanks! :)


Noted but I do think it's important the public is aware of these answer not just me. In the OP it seems to indicate that they are trying to ask for the opinion of Retake fans...yet this questionary is not on the offical RetakeME3 facebook page...How can you possibly hope to find a true consensus if you will, while not accounting for 90% of the collective group? I don't seek to derail this post, just trying to find clarity....


We try to keep in touch with the other Retake groups. We have posted this on the FB page (but it gets burried quickly) and we have messaged them about it and other initiatives. I'm sure they get a lot of messages and they're only human so they can't be expected to keep up with everything.

Modifié par Clarissant, 06 avril 2012 - 10:36 .


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1.) What did you hope to achieve by joining the RetakeME3 movement?

That Bioware would realize that they messed up with the ending of one of the best gaming franchises this generation.

2.) Are you satisfied with the announcement of "Extended Cut" ending DLC?

No.  Not at all.  You can polish a turd all you like, you'll still end up with a turd.  From a writer's perspective, what has occured here is unacceptable.

3.) How do you feel RetakeME3 has been misrepresented in the media?

Poorly.  They try to paint the people who feel cheated by the poorly done ending as whiny and entitled without even trying to understand the grievences of those who feel cheated.

4.) Do you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory? If yes or no, do you think it's a plausible way     out for Bioware to make a new ending, while keeping their original one intact?

No. Because it would make too little sense.  In addition, if it were true, *we* the players should be aware of it.  Not even the greedy EA executives are that stupid to buy into such a theory that could only make the ending worse.

5.) Where does RetakeME3 go from here, now that additional content has been announced?  Feel free to give a brief statement (1-2 sentences) to explain your choice.[/b]

Hold the line.
Be civil.  Why?  Because there's a better chance at being taken seriously.

a.) Continue to hold the line for endings to be rewritten:

Yes.

b.) Shift focus to Bioware's "clarification" DLC and campaign for substantial content:

Fix the endings first.  Until then, it's going to be remembered as having the absolute WORST payoff for any substantial investment, rendering everything moot.

c.) I'm happy with the compromise / new DLC promise:

No.  I am not.  As a writer myself, I felt insulted when we were given something that not only completely broke consistency with the story we've been experiencing until this point, but broke several cardinal rules of storytelling and pretending it's 'art'.

d.) Other:

Casey Hudson made a mistake.  He needs to own up to that and remember why people love stories on an EMOTIONAL level, not a intellectual one.

6.) How do you feel about being governed by consensus? Do you feel it's successful?[/quote]

That's a case by case concern.  In this case, with the voices of so many that feel angry and cheated, Bioware should do the right thing, take the hit, and fix the endings.  Otherwise, it will tarnish an otherwise great series.

Yes, endings and closure are *THAT* important.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 07 avril 2012 - 12:13 .


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bump!

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My suggestion: Stop being fans and act more like dissatisfied consumers. Don't buy what they sell.

Hold the dime.