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[VolusvsReaper]

The Idoctrination Theory is similar to people who find elvis shaped potato chips or people who see Obama looking clouds....

[Jexx21]

can't be. if you have a low EMS score, you can only choose the destroy option.

what kind of indoctrination attempt only gives you the choice to destroy the things trying to indoctrinate you?

[GBJ13]

Quentin Tarantino said that Top Gun was about repressed homosexuality. It's not, but it's a really fascinating literary theory with lots of evidence to support it. Sometimes the creative process creates interesting accidental byproducts. There was probably some IT components placed within the game that never materialized.

It's too bad though. It would have been such an amazing twist.

[BiancoAngelo7]

And to those who say theres no evidence, there are hints scattered throughout the game that the game is simply not finished. What about all those fetch quests that gave you some sort of story related advantage?

When getting Dr. Chakwas those military grade meds and her beating you to death with foreshadowing telling you that since you got those meds you'll be able to sustain and save more lives in heavy combat?

Or how about the big stink the engineers made about you getting them those stupid eezo cooler things? Otherwise during a "peak performance" and fight everybody in engineering would get fried? There were literally 6 or 7 different times when they talked about that.

Things like that beg the question, why would they go through all that, set up all the resources and assets, plan it out to then just leave it blank at the end?

Did you get the engineering upgrade? Oops doesn't matter because the ending is a RGB explosion. THE END.

Cmon. Seriously. It cant be that. I refuse to believe the people at Bioware are soooo lazy or negligent with their own product.

[Jexx21]

Jexx21 wrote...

can't be. if you have a low EMS score, you can only choose the destroy option.

what kind of indoctrination attempt only gives you the choice to destroy the things trying to indoctrinate you?

[Suikoden]

Nab20 wrote...

The IT cannot explain many things. Saying '' it's a dream because it doesn't make sense'' is not an argument.

What can't it explain?  

People bring up the indoctrination detection of Kai Leng on Thessia, but I think it's likely that indoctrination hadn't begun yet at this point for Shepard.  I see the recognition of the indoctrination of Kai Leng as almost a red herring of sorts - which Bioware put there specifically to show the player that Shepard was still in full control, (while at the same time bringing the indoctrination mechanic back to the forefront of players' minds).

[CARL_DF90]

Yes, there is evidence to support IT,(like this vid here: ), and IT would make for an EPIC plot twist, but whether or not Bioware will actually acknowledge and use IT is another matter entirely.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 06 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[blackangel209]

beutelmarkus wrote...

Nab20 wrote...

The IT cannot explain many things. Saying '' it's a dream because it doesn't make sense'' is not an argument.

What can't it explain?  

People bring up the indoctrination detection of Kai Leng on Thessia, but I think it's likely that indoctrination hadn't begun yet at this point for Shepard.  I see the recognition of the indoctrination of Kai Leng as almost a red herring of sorts - which Bioware put there specifically to show the player that Shepard was still in full control, (while at the same time bringing the indoctrination mechanic back to the forefront of players' minds).

Not to mention that Javik makes it quite clear that Prothean indoctrination detection is far from infallible.

[Darkeus]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

And to those who say theres no evidence, there are hints scattered throughout the game that the game is simply not finished. What about all those fetch quests that gave you some sort of story related advantage?

When getting Dr. Chakwas those military grade meds and her beating you to death with foreshadowing telling you that since you got those meds you'll be able to sustain and save more lives in heavy combat?

Or how about the big stink the engineers made about you getting them those stupid eezo cooler things? Otherwise during a "peak performance" and fight everybody in engineering would get fried? There were literally 6 or 7 different times when they talked about that.

Things like that beg the question, why would they go through all that, set up all the resources and assets, plan it out to then just leave it blank at the end?

Did you get the engineering upgrade? Oops doesn't matter because the ending is a RGB explosion. THE END.

Cmon. Seriously. It cant be that. I refuse to believe the people at Bioware are soooo lazy or negligent with their own product.

Sorry, but a rushed schedule can exactly cause " the people at Bioware are soooo lazy or negligent with their own product."  Money talks....  Corporate bigwigs pull the strings.

Just look at the ****** poor photoshop of Tali's face?  And you don't think they can be lazy??

IT is a fan theory.  Nothing else.  Sadly enough, it is better than what EA/Bioware actually created....

[Primalrose]

The IT theory is a good one, I have to hand them that. I mean it fills in so many plot holes and suits the themes of ME so perfectly. Unfortunately I think its too good to be true and gives Bioware too much credit. Why would Bioware sell you a game with an incomplete ending? It's nonsensical and bad business practice. The most plausible conclusion is that Bioware had many great ideas and simply ran out of development time and thus, the rushed, stupid ending thanks to EA's stupid deadlines. Don't forget it was also intended to be controversial and leave much speculation. Unfortunately the way Bioware decided to do it was just plain bad. Bioware are a bit shocked from the backlash and too proud to admit their poor ending.

Modifié par Primalrose, 06 avril 2012 - 05:12 .

[Suikoden]

Jexx21 wrote...

Jexx21 wrote...

can't be. if you have a low EMS score, you can only choose the destroy option.

what kind of indoctrination attempt only gives you the choice to destroy the things trying to indoctrinate you?

You also don't get the 5 second clip of Shepard taking a breath.  I see that ending as a complete fail, in that you're still indoctrinated even though you took the destroy option (and you get the shuttle clip where the door only partially opens but no one comes out).  I could also see the shuttle door not fully opening as a sign that you didn't even survive the indoctrination attempt and died at that point in the game (under the rubble in the streets of London).

This gives more validity to your EMS rating in that it's what's truly the driving force behind whether or not you overcome the indoctrination attempt.  The destroy option is a part of the solution, but without the proper EMS rating, your will/confidence to overcome indoctrination just isn't strong enough.

EDIT: Also, the destroy option merely represents your mind's triumph over the indoctrination attempt - it doesn't actually mean that you destroy the reapers.

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Mettyx]

After watching this comprehensive video I became convinced too.

There are just too many specific things that perfectly fit.

[DJBare]

Shepard was indoctrinated, he did not shoot his mentor and friend for the fun of it.

*puts on flame shield*

[Jexx21]

DJBare wrote...

Shepard was indoctrinated, he did not shoot his mentor and friend for the fun of it.

*puts on flame shield*

without the indoctrination theory, tim was controlling shepards actions when he did that.

[DJBare]

Jexx21 wrote...
without the indoctrination theory, tim was controlling shepards actions when he did that.

Using reaper tech, indoctrination is an insideous means of "controlling" it's victims into betraying friends, yeah it could have been straight forward remote control, but that now suggest Shepard is weak willed, certainly not the Shepard I came to know.

Anyway, not that it really matters, I was always on the fence regarding indoc theory, but I'd prefer it to what we have been offered(implied).

Modifié par DJBare, 06 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[JBONE27]

beutelmarkus wrote...

Nab20 wrote...

The IT cannot explain many things. Saying '' it's a dream because it doesn't make sense'' is not an argument.

What can't it explain?  

People bring up the indoctrination detection of Kai Leng on Thessia, but I think it's likely that indoctrination hadn't begun yet at this point for Shepard.  I see the recognition of the indoctrination of Kai Leng as almost a red herring of sorts - which Bioware put there specifically to show the player that Shepard was still in full control, (while at the same time bringing the indoctrination mechanic back to the forefront of players' minds).

Or the range of the Prothean VI is only about 10 feet, and it could sense it in Shepard, but not in Leng.

[Pirates10i]

I want to believe it but I don't think bioware actually ment to do it... Otherwise Shepard would have woke up and finished the game instead of ending ...damn lazy writing and rushed ideas.... Crap all of it ...

[BiancoAngelo7]

Jexx21 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Shepard was indoctrinated, he did not shoot his mentor and friend for the fun of it.

*puts on flame shield*

without the indoctrination theory, tim was controlling shepards actions when he did that.

Yeah with a magic purple glowing orb....out of nowhere....

and since we're on the subject...how the hell is TIM supposed to be controlling Anderson? Anderson was never exposed to reaper tech that we know of, he doesn't have any cybernetic implants, hell he's never even been INVOLVED with anything to do with the reapers until they actually invade earth.

So how the hell is he controlling him?

The only explanation I see is if Anderson is actually representing Shepards will or "good side".

Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

TIM: Look shepard we can control the reapers!!!

Anderson: But Im not a Reaper! How rude!

TIM: Uh...um....yes...you are? Yeah sure why not. You are a reaper. There. Now I can control you.

Anderson: <_<

Cmon seriously, I can't be the only one who saw that scene and did a Jacki Chan "wtf" meme in their mind....

[Oldbones2]

OP, well . . . OK, you gotta believe what you gotta believe to get you through the day.

But I think the time for BW to drop the act has come and long since past.

[JeosDinas]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

 I hope because Commander Shepard deserves better. I hope because my crew and my LI deserve better. The Mass Effect universe deserves better. And most importantly....

we deserve better.

You deserve nothing. None of us do. 

[Wstonefi2]

Anyone who still believes in the IT is just setting themselves up for further disappointment. Just accept the truth now, so you'll feel better later.

[Tom Lehrer]

Saren, Benezia, TIM, and Shiala

All indoctrinated/fighting it three dead and the last one even after two years is only kept from Reaper control thanks to the thorian.

[OdanUrr]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

and since we're on the subject...how the hell is TIM supposed to be controlling Anderson? Anderson was never exposed to reaper tech that we know of, he doesn't have any cybernetic implants, hell he's never even been INVOLVED with anything to do with the reapers until they actually invade earth.

So how the hell is he controlling him?

The only explanation I see is if Anderson is actually representing Shepards will or "good side".

Um... you're telling me TIM cannot use his newfound powers to paralyze a couple of people? Anderson doesn't need to have Reaper implants or anything similar for TIM to influence the part of his brain that's responsible for the body's motor control.

[Prosarian]

JeosDinas wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

 I hope because Commander Shepard deserves better. I hope because my crew and my LI deserve better. The Mass Effect universe deserves better. And most importantly....

we deserve better.

You deserve nothing. None of us do. 

Well we did pay for the game, and they did make false promises that lead to us making that decision. So yeah we do deserve better. Mass Effect wasn't created in a vacuum, the money from the first two games and the potential earnings from the 3rd game made Mass Effect 3 possible.

[Prosarian]

It isn't true. I wish it was, since it's a lot more logical than any other theory or even the actual endings themselves, but it's not.